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The Z5V may indicate the deleted spoiler and the deleted Z28 hood... it would make sense... i guess if your looking at the RPO sheet and saw the Z28 and the Z5V next to it it would be easy to spot...
John
Now that makes sense, especially for the hood. Wasn't there already a known RPO for spoiler delete though? I could very well be mistaken.
Now that makes sense, especially for the hood. Wasn't there already a known RPO for spoiler delete though? I could very well be mistaken.
There isn't an RPO that I know of for a spoiler delete on a camaro.
Last week I looked at a build sheet for a 1C5 California Iroc-Z that was on E-Bay. Unfortunately, there wasn't any RPO Z5V on the build sheet. I was hoping it would throw some light on this mystery if it had been there. This was the first build sheet that I have seen on these Iroc camaros. However, that build sheet did have the first RPO listed as "1C5 CALIF IROC" on it. This E-Bay car's information was posted by mr396.
There has been some speculation by a couple of members on what RPO Z5V might be. Their opinions make good sense and I appreciate them all, it sure would put a resolution to this search if some documentation could ever be found. I'll keep looking!
I just checked with another guy on another board that said he had a book with every RPO code listed in it, from the early 80's through '86. Of course, Z5V was not listed... neither was B9K.
I just checked with another guy on another board that said he had a book with every RPO code listed in it, from the early 80's through '86. Of course, Z5V was not listed... neither was B9K.
Why don't you ask him if 1C5 is listed in his book? I'll bet it isn't.
I have 2 of those booklets, one is from Feb, 1997, which is 2/3 thicker than the Dec 1993 Booklet & I have a "Master List" of GM RPO's which is apparently from GM in PDF format... None of the sources show either code... there are things that are close, like 1A2 is SEO Vehicle, Public service, 1C1 is SEO vehicle, export Non police version. 1K5 is Lever, Auto Trans, Low gear lockout. In essence the RPO's could mean anything... Its all speculation...
Still waiting on a response from GM on what B9K and 1C5 mean for the 3rd gen. Once I hear back, I'll post. Last week I was told they are still locating the information.
I found an RPO site that lists RPO code Z5V. It shows it as a blue tinted mirror and was available from 2003 to 2008. GM tends to keep RPO codes fairly constant, so If any of your mirrors are tinted blue, then that's probably what the code is about.
I found an RPO site that lists RPO code Z5V. It shows it as a blue tinted mirror and was available from 2003 to 2008. GM tends to keep RPO codes fairly constant, so If any of your mirrors are tinted blue, then that's probably what the code is about.
The mirrors aren't tinted. GM RPO codes change more frequently than you may believe. An RPO code that refers to an '03-'08 option is highly unlikely to correspond directly to a third gen. The fact that Camaros weren't even produced during these years, I doubt the RPO is applicable to the 1C5 IROC's Z5V code.
Here's some pages from Michael Lamm's Camaro: The Third Generation, third edition which explain a bit about the 1C5 IROC. The caption on page 81 does not refer to the cars which are in the picture above, the car is clearly a regular IROC with a Sport Coupe behind it on the assembly line. Also, the third paragraph on page 80 is the one which highlights the 1C5 IROC. It's the only media I've ever found written about these cars.
I still have not seen a picture of a California IROC published in an article.
Last edited by yo soy el warg; 02-06-2010 at 09:45 PM.
I saw that part of the book ten years ago, courtesy of Willie. They try to pass off RPO code 1C5 as IC5 and say that the white car pictured without the IROC-Z door decals was, in fact the California IROC-Z. Thus making the whole package just door decal delete. Very inaccurate info, IMO.
The mirrors aren't tinted. GM RPO codes change more frequently than you may believe. An RPO code that refers to an '03-'08 option is highly unlikely to correspond directly to a third gen. The fact that Camaros weren't even produced during these years, I doubt the RPO is applicable to the 1C5 IROC's Z5V code.
i had a 1986 iroc-z with a funny center rear view mirror
that was supposed to do something i never figured out
all i know about it is it blurred my vision-so if the missing rpo
is attached to mirrors check to see if it has a sort of mechanism
built into it with buttons for adjustment
i would say Z5V is attached to the 1C5 code on only cali camaros
if you like RPO debates you can check out Drew and JT on my thread
-RPO B2L is not on my buildsheet!-
nor on my window sticker but only on the SPID
i have not ordered my invoice yet to see if B2L
and whatever else is on it
Last edited by grassyflats; 02-10-2010 at 10:29 AM.
Here's some pages from Michael Lamm's Camaro: The Third Generation, third edition which explain a bit about the 1C5 IROC. The caption on page 81 does not refer to the cars which are in the picture above, the car is clearly a regular IROC with a Sport Coupe behind it on the assembly line. Also, the third paragraph on page 80 is the one which highlights the 1C5 IROC. It's the only media I've ever found written about these cars.
I still have not seen a California IROC published in an article.
True and false... Some RPO's are consistent thru the years, like 1SC is still being used as a discount option package code, AM9 is still folding rear seat, AR9 is for a seating option, C49 is still rear window defogger, G80 is still ltd slip, K34 is still cruise...
Some RPO's have been recycled, Z06 for example was a seating option for the Camaro the "Camaro Camaro Camaro" seating in early 3rd Gens. and we all know it means something completely different now. often when an RPO is not a standard thing on all models, IE C49, then that RPO such as Z5V can be reused as something completely different later on.
It's funny reading that excerpt from Camaro, The Third Generation. Because, and this is fun, it puts a name with the 50 L98 Camaro debate. Russ Gee is the man behind the myth. But it also clarifies what people have been arguing with every ignorant noob since the dawn of thirdgen.org, that all 50 were prototypes, not released to the general public. It also gives Russ Gee partial credit for the existence of the L98 in the F-body platform.
Good stuff. I wonder how many other long held (undocumented) beliefs can be traced to an obsolete out of print book.
hey i read that article before about the hertitage camaro prototype...very informative but i think this video from youtube would be even better...check it out...dunno if this is the car you guys are talking about.....
It's funny reading that excerpt from Camaro, The Third Generation. Because, and this is fun, it puts a name with the 50 L98 Camaro debate. Russ Gee is the man behind the myth. But it also clarifies what people have been arguing with every ignorant noob since the dawn of thirdgen.org, that all 50 were prototypes, not released to the general public. It also gives Russ Gee partial credit for the existence of the L98 in the F-body platform.
Good stuff. I wonder how many other long held (undocumented) beliefs can be traced to an obsolete out of print book.
where can i read the
50 L98 Camaro debate ?
tell me all about it
highjack this thread!
Some RPO's have been recycled, Z06 for example was a seating option for the Camaro the "Camaro Camaro Camaro" seating in early 3rd Gens. and we all know it means something completely different now. often when an RPO is not a standard thing on all models, IE C49, then that RPO such as Z5V can be reused as something completely different later on.
John
Where did you find Z06 as the Camaro Camaro Camaro interiors? I could be wrong on this, but I've been thinking that the RPO for the "Camaro Camaro Camaro" contour seats in 1985 for example was: A color # with a "D" after it?
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats and door panels)
19D Contour custom cloth in black
62D Contour custom cloth in light saddle
68D Contour custom cloth in russet
72D Contour custom cloth in dark carmine
82D Contour custom cloth in medium dark grey
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats only)
19E Contour standard cloth in black
62E Contour standard cloth in light saddle
68E Contour standard cloth in russet
72E Contour standard cloth in dark carmine
82E Contour standard cloth in medium dark grey
(Without Camaro Camaro Camaro interiors)
19C Custom cloth in black
62C Custom cloth in light saddle
68C Custom cloth in russet
72C Custom cloth in dark carmine
82C Custom cloth in medium dark grey
Here is where I found my information on these interiors' RPOs.
where can i read the
50 L98 Camaro debate ?
tell me all about it
highjack this thread!
It was a dark and stormy night in 1988... An elderly ex-GM executive scribbled notes in his personal memoir of a limited run (50 units, exactly) of uber-rare 1986 Z28's with the L98. He wrote the cars were built after hours, and under total secrecy, behind the scenes. The cars were built under special contract for Saudi royalty, and well-to-do frat boys, always someones brother's cousin's sister's uncle. They were distributed under the radar, cleverly mixed into the legions of LB9's...
That's almost entirely BS... But the back story has always been that there were 50 prototype L98 cars built in 1986. That little bit of insider info, that probably started with the book in question, has been at the core of every argument from a new guy that just read for the first time that there were no L98's before 1987. Because you see his brother's cousin's sister's uncle has/had a 1985 or 1986 Iroc with a 350 TPI. When asked for proof from those in the know, he always quotes the 50 1986 L98 Irocs, because it was in the tech data and on other websites. No evidence, no vin numbers, no RPO codes are ever presented, except occasionally the yahoo posts them and low and behold the phantom 1986 L98 Iroc is... wait for it... ready?... a LB9 with a F in the 8th digit of the VIN.
It used to happen REALLY often. Even some magazines have included the mysterious 50 cars in Camaro history articles. It's well known to the old farts around here.
The reality behind the myth is that most people are too stupid to know the difference between a 305 and a 350.
It's funny how they gush about how much they like the prototype 92 Camaro... There isn't THAT much special about the car. About the only one off parts are the special runners and fabricated headers. The ZF6 was borrowed (modified bellhousing), the 'special' suspension was just a standard FE2, 1LE brakes, 245/50ZR16 Gatorbacks... Sounds about like a stock 92 Z28, and the performance numbers aren't much different then any other 89-92 L98 (2mph faster then my Formula was in stock trim). I laughed out loud when they were shifting that ZF6, those throws are miles long, and it looks like the shifter arm is shorter then a stock T5.
The most "Famous" of the Heritage Edition 92's was the one that GM kept in inventory for many years. It stands out because in all the pictures it doesn't have a rear spoiler. A few years after the original program was scrapped GM pulled it out of storage and put a LT1 into it, again with the ZF6, but with 4.10 gears. That version went 12.2 in the 1/4.
Later GM took the same car and installed the Ramjet crate motor, and painted it bright yellow for all the magazine coverage. I'd have to find the magazine to remember all the specifics.
Who knows where the car is now? Did GM sell it? or can we expect it to show up again with some new gimmick?
Where did you find Z06 as the Camaro Camaro Camaro interiors? I could be wrong on this, but I've been thinking that the RPO for the "Camaro Camaro Camaro" contour seats in 1985 for example was:
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats and door panels)
19D Contour custom cloth in black
62D Contour custom cloth in light saddle
68D Contour custom cloth in russet
72D Contour custom cloth in dark carmine
82D Contour custom cloth in medium dark grey
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats only)
19E Contour standard cloth in black
62E Contour standard cloth in light saddle
68E Contour standard cloth in russet
72E Contour standard cloth in dark carmine
82E Contour standard cloth in medium dark grey
(Without Camaro Camaro Camaro interiors)
19C Custom cloth in black
62C Custom cloth in light saddle
68C Custom cloth in russet
72C Custom cloth in dark carmine
82C Custom cloth in medium dark grey
Here is where I found my information on these interiors' RPOs.
It's funny how they gush about how much they like the prototype 92 Camaro... There isn't THAT much special about the car. About the only one off parts are the special runners and fabricated headers. The ZF6 was borrowed (modified bellhousing), the 'special' suspension was just a standard FE2, 1LE brakes, 245/50ZR16 Gatorbacks... Sounds about like a stock 92 Z28, and the performance numbers aren't much different then any other 89-92 L98 (2mph faster then my Formula was in stock trim). I laughed out loud when they were shifting that ZF6, those throws are miles long, and it looks like the shifter arm is shorter then a stock T5.
The most "Famous" of the Heritage Edition 92's was the one that GM kept in inventory for many years. It stands out because in all the pictures it doesn't have a rear spoiler. A few years after the original program was scrapped GM pulled it out of storage and put a LT1 into it, again with the ZF6, but with 4.10 gears. That version went 12.2 in the 1/4.
Later GM took the same car and installed the Ramjet crate motor, and painted it bright yellow for all the magazine coverage. I'd have to find the magazine to remember all the specifics.
Who knows where the car is now? Did GM sell it? or can we expect it to show up again with some new gimmick?
Sorry to revive an old post but I actually have that magazine where they put the ramjet 350 into that that 3rd gen. So was that the same car as the one in the video above? Pretty cool if it was. That Chevelle they put the ram jet 502 was pretty sweet too.
The 1C5 rpo code was the California Promotional Package on dealer invoices for an IROC that GMC produced only for California dealerships to sell. You couldn't directly order one with the options you wanted as you could on other models. It came deleted of all striping, Iroc logos, and TPI logos which you couldn't delete until the 1988 models as a DX3 rpo code. It had no hood louvers, or rear spoiler, items which you've never been able to delete on an IROC. It did have all the IROC ground effects, 16" Aluminum wheels, (LB9) TPI 215 hp engine, came only with a 700 R4 transmission, fog lights, all the IROC suspension parts and 3.42 rear gears which weren't available in 1985 on the standard Z28. It was known as the wolf in sheep's clothing since it looked like a stock camaro, yet had all the IROC options. It is a very rare model that came in only 2 colors, red and black. I've read that 502 were produced with a variety of options. That is why I'd like to find out what the rpo Z5V might be. I've only seen 2 other 1C5 IROC Z28. One car is featured on camarosource.ca. and that is the only site that has the 1C5 rpo listed as being a real GMC option of all the rpo sites I've looked at on line. I've also put a picture of my car's SPID code on that web site. That web site is also trying to find out what the rpo Z5V might be. In the past an rpo with a Z, then a number, then another letter were performance packages, deletion packages, and GM specialty built cars such as, taxi, police, military, and what else? My "California" IROC as they are called is red in color, with original paint, a black deluxe interior, and T-tops. It is the only completely original 1C5 I know of to date. It is also in mint, excellent condition. I have the car's dealer invoice, window sticker, and history. I'd like to talk to those that have seen other "California" IROC Z28s. If you know of any magazine articles or books on the "California" IROCZ would you please post the information. I'll post pictures soon.
Just a couple of questions you said GMC produced it, was this GMC like the truck company or was it actually GM? and if it was GMC why? Also was the price cheaper when new compared to a similar optioned IROC since it lacked graphics and the IROC hood and spoiler? Also why did they decide to make so few of them? it doesn't seem to be a car that would normally be intended to be rare all it has basically is cosmetic things taken off and no special performance stuff. don't get me wrong I think it's a cool car I wish they would have made more of them I like the sleeper look.
Just a couple of questions you said GMC produced it, was this GMC like the truck company or was it actually GM? and if it was GMC why? Also was the price cheaper when new compared to a similar optioned IROC since it lacked graphics and the IROC hood and spoiler? Also why did they decide to make so few of them? it doesn't seem to be a car that would normally be intended to be rare all it has basically is cosmetic things taken off and no special performance stuff. don't get me wrong I think it's a cool car I wish they would have made more of them I like the sleeper look.
It wasn't the truck division that built the 1C5. I was thinking General Motors Company in my head and just wrote GMC it's actually GM. I'll go back and edit my original post so there isn't any confusion. There was a $75 credit on the window sticker for the deleted parts. The reasoning behind why they built so few of them could be that it was to test the demand for the 1C5's features first before making it a regular option in later years. Just as the graphics could be deleted in later Irocs if you chose that option. I'm still trying to find any type of official GM printed material describing what RPO Z5V was. The search go on and on and on.....
BTW, I didn't forget about this thread and the fact that my contact at GM was going to get me info. He did. Unfortunately, he mailed the information to my house and I've been travelling and haven't seen the paperwork. My wife needs eye surgery so she couldn't read the information to me. Bear with me guys.
So, has anyone else read this and said to themselves "Why did GM build this?". I mean, think about it, if it were meant to be a disguised IROC to prey on unsuspecting slower cars; then it should have been TPI in a Sport Coupe body. I mean, the RS/base models with GFX didn't come in until 88 (poss 87?), so in 1985, who would have seen a 3rdgen Camaro WITH ground effects and thought, this can't possibly be an IROC-Z? Since in 1985, the ground effects were redesigned, they would have been new then and people would have seen a car with ground effects and automatically said "Z28" or "Thats one of those new IROC-Zs".
Seems to me that the idea, while cool conceptually, just seems not completely thought through.
It would have been cool to see an S/C with TPI combo. No one would have seen that thing coming... back in the day. I can just imagine how rare/cool those things would have been and probably still would be today!
Just my $.02.
But a body colored gfx clad car, er... IROC with a stock hood and no spoiler and no decals... WHY? Was anyone really fooled? Plus, not giving it POSI? Sounds like this was the car that people would beat and then go around saying "I just beat one of those new IROC-Z cars!" The whole concept is lost on me.
[edit] After reading the above posted article about why they produced them, I'm still a little confused. Even if people in SoCal didn't want the decals, why the stock hood; why the missing spoiler (although not mentioned in the article or seen in the pics)? Again, just seems odd to me.
Last edited by Dante93GTZ; 06-12-2010 at 07:59 PM.
How many people with a brand new Iroc would really go to all the trouble of removing the rear spoiler, fill in all the holes in the body and repaint the rear area. Then remove the Iroc louvered hood and replace it with a Sport Coupe hood and repaint it. After doing these two things to the body you remove all the graphics on the car. Just to make it look like a sleeper Iroc? Has anyone seen another Iroc that anyone has gone to this much trouble to create a sleeper Iroc. I don't think so. But, I've seen a lot of (want to be Irocs) Sport Coupes with Iroc hoods, Iroc graphics, Iroc wheels, and a big V-6 under the hood. Most people seeing the 1985 1C5 "California" Iroc for the first time on the street probably would have assumed that it was another (want to be Iroc) Sport Coupe that came without a spoiler or louvered hood. That they had put Iroc wheels on it, and Iroc ground effects on it which they painted the same color, and assumed that it had a big V-6 engine that all the (want to be Irocs) seemed to have. Never thinking it was an Iroc with the TPI 215 hp engine. Yes, many people were fooled.
How many people with a brand new Iroc would really go to all the trouble of removing the rear spoiler, fill in all the holes in the body and repaint the rear area. Then remove the Iroc louvered hood and replace it with a Sport Coupe hood and repaint it. After doing these two things to the body you remove all the graphics on the car. Just to make it look like a sleeper Iroc? Has anyone seen another Iroc that anyone has gone to this much trouble to create a sleeper Iroc. I don't think so. But, I've seen a lot of (want to be Irocs) Sport Coupes with Iroc hoods, Iroc graphics, Iroc wheels, and a big V-6 under the hood. Most people seeing the 1985 1C5 "California" Iroc for the first time on the street probably would have assumed that it was another (want to be Iroc) Sport Coupe that came without a spoiler or louvered hood. That they had put Iroc wheels on it, and Iroc ground effects on it which they painted the same color, and assumed that it had a big V-6 engine that all the (want to be Irocs) seemed to have. Never thinking it was an Iroc with the TPI 215 hp engine. Yes, many people were fooled.
The thing to keep in mind is the year this all took place. 1985 was a turning point year for the 3rdgens. People were used to the 82-84 Z's by then and were used to the Sport Coupes and they probably could quickly spot the visual differences.
....so..... when the 85 model year came and the ground effects changed, everyone probably saw a body colored, new gfx wearing car and thought instantly "IROC". I mean, the 82-84 Z and even the 85-87 Z's weren't all body colored, and so it would only make sense that people would spot it as slightly different. Plus, the rear spoiler delete is a minor thing, as is the hood; depending on who knew exactly what options were on what car, they may not have known exactly what options came on an IROC (Again, considering the year, and the fact that the IROC was brand new then).
I dunno; I'm going back in my head to the glory days of the late 90's when Pontiac Grand Prix GTPs roamed the streets. You could get the GP with or w/o ground effects and the different bumpers and everyone knew about the GTP and its mysterious supercharged engine... BUT - Everyone always seemed to think that ANY ground effects clad GP was a GTP because they looked the same and the general public really didn't know what to look for.
I've searched everywhere and I can't find your RPO code. If it's not on the internets, I don't think you'll ever find it. The internet has everything. In fact, you may consider that you could have read your RPO list wrong. You should really make sure before posting a thread about it.
I've searched everywhere and I can't find your RPO code. If it's not on the internets, I don't think you'll ever find it. The internet has everything. In fact, you may consider that you could have read your RPO list wrong. You should really make sure before posting a thread about it.
If you look at page 1, He posted his spid and it clearly shows Z5V. It is a one year only option and I'm sure it has something to do with the 1C5 option. I'm guessing it's for the California IROC conversion.
That's a bold statement from a new member! Do I dare say welcome to TGO?
This has been confirmed as listed and on all "California Edition IROC-Zs". The listing I got from GM does appear to have every RPO on it from 1980-1990, except these two. I will continue to do more research on this.
I've searched everywhere and I can't find your RPO code. If it's not on the internets, I don't think you'll ever find it. The internet has everything. In fact, you may consider that you could have read your RPO list wrong. You should really make sure before posting a thread about it.
It never surprises me when a new member "SHOOTS FROM THE HIP" before reading the entire thread! And, by the way, the internet doesn't have all the information like you seem to think! You also can't find a lot of common sense on the internet as you've obviously shown!
Lets give him/her a break... Let us not chase away a new member... Albeit, the Internet does not have everything... trust me I have looked and everything is not out there... yet...
It's been about 10 months since there has been any activity on this thread. Has anybody found anything new on the RPO Z5V. I put gold wheels on the car since last year and here is a picture of it in gold other than the stock silver ones. Which color wheel do you think looks better with the red. If the car would have come with the tan interior the stock wheels would have been gold back in 1985.
Great looking car either way. How 'bout some gold Z28 rocker & rear bumper emblems to go with those wheels? Just my opinion, but I prefer the silver (grey) wheels when the interior is black.
Great looking car either way. How 'bout some gold Z28 rocker & rear bumper emblems to go with those wheels? Just my opinion, but I prefer the silver (grey) wheels when the interior is black.
Calroc,
I just happened to run across these gold original rims with Firestone Firehawk tires on them at a good deal so I couldn't pass them up. I put them on the "California" Iroc to see how they look and kind of liked them. But your right I should put gold rocker emblems and bumper emblems if I want them to match on the exterior and plan to keep them on it. Just like on your black '85 "Cali" mine came with the black interior and grey or silver colored Iroc rims originally. I also have a set of '85 rims with the original gatorback tires I had chrome plated that look similar to the ones like those on your car were you polished the entire original aluminum Iroc rims to look like chrome. That looks really good on a third gen. I might put the chromed ones on my red "Cali" next time to see how those look on it.
I'm sure your black '85 California Iroc is still looking as good as it ever did. I would like to find another '85 in black like yours. It is a beautiful car! Take care.
Calroc,
I just happened to run across these gold original rims with Firestone Firehawk tires on them at a good deal so I couldn't pass them up. I put them on the "California" Iroc to see how they look and kind of liked them. But your right I should put gold rocker emblems and bumper emblems if I want them to match on the exterior and plan to keep them on it. Just like on your black '85 "Cali" mine came with the black interior and grey or silver colored Iroc rims originally. I also have a set of '85 rims with the original gatorback tires I had chrome plated that look similar to the ones like those on your car were you polished the entire original aluminum Iroc rims to look like chrome. That looks really good on a third gen. I might put the chromed ones on my red "Cali" next time to see how those look on it.
I'm sure your black '85 California Iroc is still looking as good as it ever did. I would like to find another '85 in black like yours. It is a beautiful car! Take care.
Be sure to post pic's, if you put the "chromies" on. Your gold ones look like new in the pic's.
Wow! Normally on the bright red cars I like the gray wheels... but without the striping, the gold wheels look great! Just need the matching gold emblems.
It has been another 15 months of looking for RPO Z5V on my (1C5) 1985 "CALIFORNIA IROC-Z28" SPID and my thread is almost back to page 24 so I'm bringing it back to see if anybody has some new documentation or information on it or articles anyone has found about it? I would appreciate any info! Thanks to all 3rd gen members.
Last edited by yo soy el warg; 11-02-2012 at 09:34 AM.
I doubt anything will turn up... However you might try this... Go to ebay Look for a little white book called "GM Production Options" it is released by the Engineering department like this one : http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-PRODUCTIO...69f0c4&vxp=mtr but from either late 1985 or early 1986, and there may be a chance, a slight chance that you will find what you are looking for... There is also a larger book that might be more complete, but I have never owned one of those.
That is the first time I have seen Z5V used for a mirror of some sort. It obviously wasn't the same one used back in 1985 on the Cali Iroc.
Here are three others that are in a similar mirror group as the one you found.
Z5X Mirror provision, Arabic language
Z5Y Mirror provision, outside etched
Z5Z Mirror provision, English language
I think this is a provision for some export's rear mirrors that says " objects are closer than they appear" in the correct language.
I've been looking this morning on E-Bay for a GM Production Options Book for 1985 like okfoz suggested. There were several different years of manuals, but no 1985. I'll keep looking.
11-19-2009, 06:16 PM
If one person gets a chuckle, then I'm doing my job. 
just in text form 
I have looked and everything is not out there... yet...
