Im on a mission to find the correct lower ground effects color. When I bought this car 18 years ago it was black with light chestnut ground effects, tan and gray recaro interior with carpited rear panels. A 5.0l HO 5 speed and limited slip rear With T tops. Heres a picture of the plate. From the looks of things the car should be a firebird, with black on black trim. I found this infor on http://www.fbodymotorsports.com/85firebird

Anyone have insite?

 

http://www.fbodymotorsports.com/85firebird



Body Number Plate
(need picture of the body number plate)
Example:
F Model Year ------ 1985
01C Build Date ------ Jan 3rd Week
FS Series ------- Firebird
87 Body Style -------- 2-Door Coupe
N Assembly Plant------- Norwood
62D Interior Trim
19L Lower Body Color------- Black
19U Upper Body color ------- Black
Enamel Paint Type--------- Enamel
AM9 Seat Type
CC1 --------T-tops
214001 ---------Body number

 

Why is it Firebird and not trans am? My Vin is FW? what Adds to the mystery is the mono chrome paint schema. The car was as far as I could tell all original black and gold with matching 15" honey come wheels. Right down to the square dot gold fade, bird on the hood and 5.0 H.O on the ground effects.

Is it possible the dealer changed it? Or did the factory? The car has the original recaro two tone seats as well. I'm boggled by this now. Any suggestions to why my tag shows black on black?

 

How about the VIN and SPID sticker? Do they match with the powertrain and options you have? Does the VIN correspond to the HO engine?

 

The vin shows everything correct, 1G2FW87G4FN214001 The serial number matches the both.

Origin 1G2 --
Series FW ------> Trans Am
Body 87----

code G
C.I / Liter 305/5.0
Induction L69

check 4

year code F
Location N Norwood, Ohio

 

So from further digging it seams that the color options on a 1985 trans am with the 62D camel color Recaro interior and exterior color 19 (lamp black) would come with gold accents if it had the W62 areo package like my car has.

So this brings up an interesting question. I remember in 84 some trans ams and Firebirds would have a diff color on the lower half, cars with out GFX. So could the 19L and 19U be talking about the sheet metal and not the GFX?

I wish I had the original RPO sticker from the rear glove box but that is long long gone now.

 

This is a copy of a dealer order sheet for 86 Fire Birds,85 and 86 were basically the same.In 86 you had the option to order Champagne Gold(60) Aero Moldings with the Black exterior(41U),that was the only color you could have got with the (41)Black(in 86)

So your (41L) and the (41U) would be the sheet metal color(under you GFX)

If you want to know if your car had this option new or this was added on later,you can order a package from PHS.http://phs-online.com/order.htm The info will also include:the dealer who ordered it,all the RPO code OPTIONS that the car came with,etc,etc.
Hope this helps you out.

 

In 1985, the black RPO code was 19. You have 19L and 19U which means the body is all black. However, you have W62 for the aero molding and on the 19U/L you could either have WW4 for black aero molding or WW5 for Lt.Chestnut molding. It doesn't appear either RPO code is shown to answer that question.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that the invoice through a service like PHS would answer your question because they don't contain all RPO codes and some that I've seen just list W62 for aero but not the color (WW4, WW5, etc.) so that may not answer the question. The SPID or buildsheet would.

By the way, the SPID would have been located on the inside wall of the center console and not in the back compartment.

 

On the package I received from PHS,the window sticker list W62 for the aero package,then it list 40L paint white exterior primary.Wouldn't his list W62 aero package then whatever his aero package color code is(If it was originally ordered from the dealer).Because the package only list the RPO codes for the options,the package does not list the RPO codes for the standard equipment.

 

You should also have WW1 to indicate the aero package on your car is white. The WWx code is the color of the aero package. You can also see this yourself on the order sheet you posted, though WW1 appears to be missing on your sheet, that is the color code white for the aero package.

Like I said, he has W62 for the aero package, and the color of that aero package is either going to be WW4 (black) or WW5 (Lt.Chestnut) but unfortunately that information is missing and I don't think it will show on PHS but it would have been on the SPID sheet or buildsheet.

 

The list from PHS does not list WW1 on any of the forms,my SPID sheet does list it.What I'm trying to say is, wouldn't you think that the package would list it because it is an option to have the different color on the aero package.Another question!!is 86 the 1st year that the body no. plate wasn't used???I thought they used them from82-84

 

where did you find this plate at? I just bought a 1987 Z28 and the sticker on the door is faded can't see any info. Not having any luck finding information plate any where.

 

the plate wasn’t used in 87,check for SPID in console

 

If your car is a Van Nuys built car you should have this on passenger side radiator support. Norwood ohio built car will not have it. it will help narrow down build date

 

If car was built in California, why is the paint not base/clear. My 1984 T/A was built in Van Nuys & it is base/clear based on the environmental rules back then.

 

Your '84 is not base/clear if it still has original paint. They started doing base/clear in 1986.

 

W62 makes it an Aero Package (Trans Am only). The Body number plates always had the BASE FS (F-body) S=Firebird) and the VIN would be FW (F-body) W=Trans Am, X= S/E. The numbers and letters are close to being the VIN but they are Not the final VIN. Remember, this is the BODY

F = 1985
01C - Build Week (01 = January, C = 3rd Week)
2FS87 (2 = Pontiac) (F=F-body) (S=Firebird line(includes all FB, S/E & TA), 87 (2 Door Coupe)
N = Norwood
2 = Pontiac, 14001 = Sequence number
19L = Black LOWER Sheet Metal
19U = Black UPPER Sheet Metal
ENAKAL = Enamel (KAL = No idea)

62D = Interior color (62=Tan) (D=Deluxe) RECARO seats.
AM9 = split fold down rear seat.
CC1 = T-tops

NOTE: YES your car is a RECARO, the 62D was ONLY used when the car was a Recaro. (only 613 Recaros were made in 1985, all had the Tan (62) seats.

You can contact Jim at http://www.phs-online.com/ and he will be able to get you a packet on your 85

For 1985-90 the lower GFX had an RPO of WW4 = Black, WW5 = Chestnut (Gold). None of which are listed, so you might need to find a Build Sheet or contact PHS, it might be on the dealer invoice, or the 62D might have been enough for the lineman in this case. Seeing you have a Tan interior the lower GFX should have been Tan or Black, but there is nothing to really tell me what the 19L basically states that the sheet metal was completely Black it does not denote the color of the GFX which were not painted on the car.

Rumor has it that the BC-CC was a mid to late year change for 1985's.

 

They stopped using the Body Tags I think 1985 was the last year. Starting in 1984 they started using the SPID which was much more detailed.

 

I believe Norwood stopped using them before Van Nuys did. Van Nuys used the small build date plate on the radiator support but Norwood didn't