Looks like an '89, G92, LB9/T5/3.45 hardtop. Don't know if it's late enough production to be an N10. It appears to have some sort of 2OTL muffler/tailpipes.116K miles. Base interior. Needs paint, bodywork, and Lord knows what else. IF I got it, one of mine would have to go. Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

I can't get the Vehicle History function to work for some reason and it's really too far for me to check out in person. Do we have any TGO bros who live close to this guy? Apparently the car was sold once and it fell through.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=...WAX%3AIT#v4-47

 

Why? You have 3 really nice cars. Why would you want to take on a project and get rid of one of your cars? I could see if it was something different like a convertible or a 1LE, but other then the color, what makes this one unique?

 

If you decide you wanna move forward with it Charlie, feel free to PM me with respect to the 85. You know I'm serious and I will buy the damn thing I drove my IROC to work today to get a sticker...first time I've driven it in almost 2 months. I keep wishing I hadn't sold my 86, because I was willing to put miles on that one. I'm not willing to put miles on the IROC. Your yellow IROC is perfect for 1-2k a year under my careful watch

I actually want your 89, but after verbally acosting you back in 2006 for not being willing to sell it, something tells me time has not changed your mind any

If I was closer to PA, I'd be more than happy to check it out for you...sorry I can't help there That's a car worth restoring, for sure. Too bad I swore off restoring cars.

 

I really like the powertrain combo and that it's hardtop. Being that it's an '89, it also has the BW 9 bolt with PBR brakes.

I was sort of focused on doing a T5 conversion on my '83, but this already has a T5. The WC MK6 version. If this car also has the N10 dual cats and a real SLP 2OTL ....well that would be good too.

 

You know me too well, Jason! The '89 stays with me. The others are negotiable.

 

That car needs some work but it should be saved. If you got this car you would be able to drive it. It won't be a perfect original car but that gives you the freedom to drive it. You can restore it back to stock if you like and enjoy driving the car.

You have 3 very nice cars between the '89, '85, '83 that you already have. If I was you, and was lucky enough to be able to afford three thirdgens, I would keep them all. The '85 you have will always hold a special place for us thirdgen folks because its a first year yellow IROC-Z. Yellow is a rare color and its has the LB9 with 3.42 gears which was the performance oriented set up.

I know you are going to keep a hold of your '89 IROC. I would never be able to not drive it ha ha. I am sure you must have a lot of discipline to be the original owner and only have put 11,000 miles on it.

I would want to hold on to your '83 Z28 as well. There are not many clean '82-'84 Z28's around any more. Most are at opposite ends of the spectrum now. They are either really nice or really not nice. There is not a lot of room in between. There is an '83 Z28 brown cross-fire that I have seen driving around where I live. By chance I saw it when I went to the post office the other day and I got to see it up close. It was all stock from the looks of it. It even had the stock 2 muffler exhaust on it. To do that car right it would need to have a lot of things restored. It needed new paint, suspension, interior, etc. That should be expected as it is almost a 30 year old car. It was still nice to see an early thirdgen Z28 though.

 

Sure is strange the way the hood is shinier than the rest of the car, it doesn't line up correctly with the bumper either.

 

It's an N10 dual cat car. One of the cats looks like aftermarket though. Still weird that I can't get a Vehicle History on the car.

 

You should get it for your son he needs a thirdgen still

 

Ha! He wants a shiny blue one, like yours, Sean.

 

I think its been smacked pretty good in the nose at one point for both of those reasons. If someone does look at this for you make sure they look it over carefully there. Its not a huge deal if it has been. Ive had mine for years now knowing it has a new radiator support welded in from an accident way back in its past. Doesnt affect anything though.

 

I spoke to a representative of the car last night. Apparently, they are a dealer. He also sent me some undercarriage pics. He had absolutely no history on the car, (they've only had it a short time), no Carfax, no anything. If this car were local, I'd definitely go check it out, but considering it's distance and lack of info on it, I think I'll be letting this one go to someone else.

 

judging from your sig, you already have the same car. i'd say, pass.

 

(Sadly returning to the garage to re-arrange things back the way they were...I was confident Charlie's 85 was coming my way)....

 

Yes, but that powertrain combo is my favorite on 3rd gens.

 

There will be another car thats the right one for you. I think IROC's should be saved along with other thirdgens as well ha ha but I'm biased. That car in particular since it had the factory go-fast options in '89. There are other LB9/G92/5-speed cars out there that are in much better shape than that car was.

Was it strange that the car had the factory go-fast options and had the base interior? I have seen a lot of 1LE and B4C cars that had the base interior but not to many G92 cars with the base interior. I thought that the later cars ('89-'92) that got the G92 package mostly got the upgraded custom interior. Maybe the original owner just wanted an IROC that was about speed and not a lot of other options.

 

The interior was a seperate option package.

 

Ah I see. I'm learning a lot through this history thread. The older I get the more I find that am starting to have an appreciation for an all stock original kind of car. It's cool to learn this history of our thirdgens. I still like tastefully modified cars too. Its just now I have more of an appreciation for a good example of an all stock car. I agree with you. The LB9/G92/5-speed combination is a very nice performing package. I'm also intrested in getting and IROC like the one that you have someday.

 

Maybe the reason the mods tolerate these kinds of threads here, is that each one turns out to be chock full of History/Originality content.

 

okay, we're on two different wave lengths then, so to speak, when it comes ot collecting cars.

i am obviously a third gen lover. to me, its a great platform for a slick, state of the art muscle car, but it isnt the only platform. for example, if my Formula had a two-seventy-something rear gear, i would have for damn sure swapped in a set of three-forty or three-seventy-something gears. i like a to see some variety in life and certainly in my garage. there are plenty of guys here on TGO who have three or five Third Gen Camaros and compartmenalize them on the basis of gear ratio, carpet color options, or some obscure shift **** bezel. i'm not one of them. but more power to those who are.

 

Basically, it would have been a fun car to fool around with and ultimately restore. You can hot rod anyhing, but this particular car came from the factory with the best OEM pieces and for that reason is desireable to me.

 

Thats my point. The black '89 IROC that Chaz has is a low mile original car. I know he wouldn't want to start driving it around all the time and put a lot of miles on it. Ha ha I know I would struggle with driving it or leaving it safe in a garage. If I had a low mile original stock Z28 or IROC thirdgen I would want to keep it in a safe place to at this point.

With the car that was being considered it could be restored back to stock condition or modified. With that car, the miles it has, and its condition it's not going to be in the low mile 100% stock category - nothing wrong with that - its just how it is.

When I got my car 11 years ago it had 153,000 miles on it. I knew it was never going to be a 100% low mile stock original car from the start. That was ok, I wanted a car that I wouldn't be nervous about driving. I've almost got 200,000 on my car now and I've had to do a lot of work to it over the years.

It really depends on what your goals are for the car. If you wanted to have a race car or a fast street car that you planned on driving - it wouldn't be the best idea to pick up a 5,000 mile all stock thirdgen and start modifying it. I know there are folks who don't have a problem doing that (to each their own) I'm just giving my personal opinion.

If you wanted a car that you wouldn't drive much and wanted an original car to have / show as an example then a low mile stock original vehicle would be a better place to start.

 

ya know, that makes sense, i guess, if he feels bad about driving or modifying the one he has (but if you love your car too much to drive it, then why are you thinking of selling it - and if you aren't thinking of selling it, why do you feel bad about driving it)

my only point was that there are alot of guys are evidently content in the pursuit of having a 3rd Gen Camaro for every day of the week, which IMO makes for a pretty homogeneous expression. on the other hand though, it seems like it could be pretty easy for someone go get caught up in buying one or two additional Thirds for one reason or another, only to realize later that they can do without having two or three of essentially the same car, and find themselves in the (IMO, undesireable situation) of wanting to sell off cars.

 

I've seen a handful of '91 '92 and even some '90s top of the line fully loaded Camaros for sale from eBay autotrader and other places, asking 10 grand 15 grand as much as 18, with low miles the highest one having 55k in all original condition stock interior no aftermarket gauges or radios 1 even had the original exhaust -muffler- and for that particular car I would pay 10 of 15 grand if I'm going to keep it original in pristine condition as an example of how they were from the factory because now in 2012 we are already living in a time where most are getting modified in a way that can't be returned to stock or it will simply be too hard & too costly to search for the parts from a donor again and piece it together. That's why my '92 has always been special to me just the way it is original, I know for a fact other enthusiasts have the same year Camaro I have and they change to an aftermarket steering wheel, they swap the auto for a t56, swap in 4gen seats, tires & wheels, even take out the old L98 for an LT1 or an LS1 or even an LS7, I've seen it done and even if I don't like it or agree with it, this is why I believe that the rarest ones should be kept at least 98% original. There are already too many young kids out there modifying them to get that personal look they want only too say next month or next season ahh I'm tired of it and try to sell it. You'll never really get the money you spent to make it look like you want it to, semi low rider punk cholo amateur Non original hip hop doofus look.

 

This is ok imho, its easy to put back to original, 1 2 or 3 things not too complex.

http://berlinetta.info/mypics/87Spor...shInterior.JPG

http://z1.ifrm.com/7062/193/0/p1015091/87camaro_002.jpg

https://www.russoandsteele.com/consi...7211-large.jpg

 

But this is too much, crossed the line imo anyway. If somebody did all this and was selling it because he lost interest or doesn't like it anymore or found somethin better and they didn't out it back to original I wouldn't buy it, I'd probably even Flip out on the Punk & give him a good Scolding. :C

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...terior_Web.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...0004_large.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/iroczman15/2...or%20apart.JPG

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attach...c-interior.jpg


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...3/P1050440.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...maroNOS011.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...0002_large.jpg

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/v5-lYaTJQkU/hqdefault.jpg


P.S. no offence intended to those who like to do this to their own property, just Stating my personal opinions and the way My Passion for This Car makes Me feel about this situation.

P.P.S. he last link has me iffy on those wheels

 

Oh hey, I wouldn't sell that one!

I think of my '89 as sort of a time capsule. I'll take it out, rip through gears and the feel, sight, sound, smell is that of an essentially new 1989 IROC. I'll get my fix, tuck it in the corner of the garage and shine it up for the next time.

The other ones are the ones I put miles on. So why would I want this one? While the other ones are fun to drive, neither can provide the same driving experience as a big cammed LB9, manual trans, 3.45 posi, PBR braked, dual cat-ed car.

 

I'll tell ya what I'd sell BOTH the '83 and '85 for.....


There's a local guy that I would see at certain cruise nights, who is the original owner of a metallic blue '89 IROC convertible. It's an LB9/T5/3.08 with rear drums and 16" wheels. It has mid to high 30K miles on it. It's not as clean as you would expect for such a low miles car - but solid enough.

 

Looks like a cool car, but I have never really been a fan of that color-guess it's because there use to be so many of them around when I was younger. Infact the bar I go to all the time the owner has an 87 IROC L98 T5 T-tops with about 90K on the clock. He bought it new and it's his summer DD. It seems solid, but is ragged out-he will sell for $10K LOL!

I know how you guys feel about the milage. My car has almost 50K and I feel bad everytime I put miles on it, but I love to driver it so it sucks. I sometimes with I would have got one with over 100K on it so I would no mind modding and driveing it.

 

no he doesn't.

 

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can you define "the rarest ones?" because i havnt seen many modded out Firehawks, VHOs, or TTAs. and Z28's, IROCS, Formulas, and Trans Ams/GTAs weren't that rare.

that kind of stuff is out there on all kinds of cars.

btw, isnt doing a "Knight Rider car" sort of the same thing?

 

Not when you use a regular production t/a vs say a recaro edition

 

Well then he lied about the year, becasue it's a L98 5-speed T-top IROC with the good Iroc wheels. The car is all stock and I remember it when it was newer and alot nicer. looks to be the same or about the same color as Chazman posted.

 

Well the guy that you speak to at the bar must be FULL OF IT, because a L98 with a T5 is NOT a factory option. First of all the T5 was only available with a 305 and not the L98 350!The T5 was most likely installed in place of the 700r4 or it was a original 305 with a 350 installed. Second of all guys always lie at the bar cause the majority of guys are drunk and will believe just about anything you tell them.

 

...well we've had this discussion before. The '83 could provide a similar feel, or the same feel with some mild engine work, but then you'd have more money in the car, which will hurt your ability to be agile with buying and selling and not taking a loss. As I've stated in e-mail dialogue, it only makes sense to modify a car you're planning to keep/use. Otherwise you're investing money you'll never see again, and you're narrowing the potential base of buyers if the car did go up for sale.

I still envision the '83 with the pimpy blue LS interior and a T5. Maybe the 12" C4 front brake setup(basically a 1LE) under the stock rims. The stretch goal would be a warmed up CFI motor with 300-350hp, talk about a sleeper! However that only make sense if you plan to keep and enjoy the car for many more years.

If I had room, I'd love to have your '83. Since I already have 2 monsters, I'd likely leave it alone if you can believe that. I've always wanted a CFI car to tinker with. In a few years once I get my building put up I'll have the room for extra toys, we can talk then LOL.

 

Jeremy, if I can't figure out why the blower motor in that damned car doesn't work - I'm going to shoot that thing in the windshield. That....or breakdown and take it to pro.

 

...If only we lived closer, I'd get it taken care of for you. That would be a poor reason to put a bullet in the windshield LOL...

 

Just kidding about the bullet in the windshield. I may kick it in the grill, though.

 

Well he is the owner of the bar so it's not like I was talking to some drunk dude sitting there. I will have to look at the car again. I know for sure it's a 5-speed, T-tops and the rear bumper cover has the badge that says 5.7 TPI-it's a stock badge. Now maybe the bumper cover has been replaced and or he is full of it? What would the VIN code be for a L98 on an 87 IROC. Now I have to check this out more.

 

the 8th digit will be an 8 for the l98. it should be an F for the lb9

 

the point is this:

GM did not make ANY 3rd Gens with 5.7 liter engines and a 5-speed.

now, the engine could have been replaced;
the transmission could have been replaced;
the rear bumper or badge could have been replaced;

but the car didn't come like that.

btw, when he was showing it to you, did it seem like he wanted to sell it?

 

Everything's for sale if the price is right...

 

Yeah like 5 figure digits right

 

Ok I'm learning more about 3rd gens by the day from this site LOL! No he does not want to sell it. He bought it new and I have seen the car since I was a kid and remember it sitting out in front of the bar when its a new. One Day I asked him about it and he said it's a 350, 5-speed, t-tops with about 89K on it and he would take $10K-this about a month or so ago, but other than that it's not for sale. I looked at it on the way out and it's a 5-speed, T-tops and did say 5.7 TPI on the rear bumper. I will be down there some time this week so I will sneak a peek at the vin tag.

 

Cool most likely it will have a F as the 8th digit if he says its original plus if its a 5 speed it may be a G92 Iroc. 305 tpi's with the 5 speed feel really strong compared to a auto 305, ask him if its a G92 with the Borgwarner axle. He should have 3.45 gears out back, and his 305 came equipped the L98 camshaft which makes it a totaly different car when compared to other 305's.

 

Well I did not get to talk to him the other nice and I'm not sure he would know all that stuff since he thinks or says it's a 350 LOL! I looked at the vin tag and it's so rusty I could not read it. The bar is on a lake and the car sits out there all summer with the tops off so that might be why. i'm going to just say it's an LB9 and call it a day. The car is rought for only having like 90K on it and no winters. The side bolster on the drivers seat is about gone, it's always dirty, exhaust is about to fall off. My TA is not perfect, but compared to his car it's a show car.

 

I hope this car found a good home. The undercarriage shots that the car's representative sent me were very clean. The dual cat system was still there, with a 2otl muffler installed.

Considering ony 1500 G92 IROC-Zs were built in '89, with no breakdown between 5.7 auto and 5.0 manual, this particular car was one of only several hundred built to it's specs.

 

Yeah I hope it gets a good restore.

 

I finally fixed that son of a biotch, bastage blower motor. It was two separate gremlins. A burned ground wire connector and a non-functioning power connector.

Execution reprieved!

 

LOL A good detective always gets his man!