Help identifying engine
Help identifying engine
I've got a 350TBI that, the more I look into, is turn out to be a really strange engine, and every casting number I'm finding is just adding to the confusion. I know my engine isn't original to the vehicle, I was told it had been put in by a previous owner, and it definitely looks like it was done by an amature.
My confusion started when I got my casting code, K0226FBC. I haven't been able to find much on the FBC block code. Because that was going nowhere, I found my casting number, 10054727. This number also has provided almost no information. Next, I got my head casting number, 14102183, and my intake number, 14102182. The intake is the only thing that seems to be common/proper.
I have done some reading online that the heads may be cast iron L98 heads, but I'm not confident. If it helps, my block is definitely a TBI era block, as it has no port for a mechanical fuel pump, but it also has no provisions for roller lifters. Its a flat tappet only block.
Most of the threads regarding this block and head casting, people just assume the number was read wrong. I am 100% confident all of my casting numbers are right. Does anybody have any idea what this engine is?
Ben
My confusion started when I got my casting code, K0226FBC. I haven't been able to find much on the FBC block code. Because that was going nowhere, I found my casting number, 10054727. This number also has provided almost no information. Next, I got my head casting number, 14102183, and my intake number, 14102182. The intake is the only thing that seems to be common/proper.
I have done some reading online that the heads may be cast iron L98 heads, but I'm not confident. If it helps, my block is definitely a TBI era block, as it has no port for a mechanical fuel pump, but it also has no provisions for roller lifters. Its a flat tappet only block.
Most of the threads regarding this block and head casting, people just assume the number was read wrong. I am 100% confident all of my casting numbers are right. Does anybody have any idea what this engine is?
Ben
Re: Help identifying engine
What are you worried about the casting numbers for?
One of my favorite quotes on TGO:
I can sort of understand the heads, but you have no idea what work may have been done on them.
One of my favorite quotes on TGO:
That stamping code, and the casting number, tell you NOTHING about "the engine" you now have. All they tell you, is what BLOCK you've got.
NOBODY takes a 35-year-old motor in totally original unmolested untouched condition and jsut sticks it into an almost 30-year-old hot-rod car. While certainly "possible", I'd describe the odds of such a thing happening as "quantum mechanical": lots and lots of zeroes to the right of the decimal point before getting to the first non-zero digit.
More likely, that engine has been "rebuilt" somewhere along the line. That means, somebody tore it completely down, put the block in a giant pile of blocks, the rods in a giant pile of rods, the cam in the trash, the heads in a pile of heads, etc.; sent each of those piles of parts through the renewal process appropriate to it, in a mass-production sort of fashion; and at the end, reached into the pile of "renewed" blocks and picked up one, the pile of "renewed" cranks and picked up one, the pile of "renewed" rods and picked up 8, the pile of "renewed" heads and picked up 2, pulled a cam out of a box of probably 24 generic replacement ones, and 8 pistons out of a simialr crate; and assembled it. EVERY SINGLE PIECE could very easily, in fact more likely than not, have come from a different "engine".
I think you can safely de-assume that you're looking at whatever "engine" that "code" refers to, and instead, accept that you only have that BLOCK. You don't have the pistons, cam, heads, or any other parts of it, that actually determine what "engine" it is.
All you know, thus far, is that it's a 4" bore block; meaning, a 302, 327, or 350 (or 383 even), but NOT a 283, 305, 307, or 400 for example.
If you want to know what THE ENGINE is, you need to know what pistons are in it, which you have to VISUALLY INSPECT to get that info if y ou weren't the one that put them there; what cam is in it (see "pistons" for how to tell what it is); what heads are on it, which you can get the head casting number to tell you; and then of course what machine work was, or wasn't, done to it in the process.
None of the rest of those numbers is of the slightest value toward identifying the "engine".
Get that other info and we can tell you more about what you've got.
In the meantime, if all you're trying to do is buy parts for it, very little of any of that matters. You can make up whatever application you want people to think it is just picking from Chevy vehicels (car or truck) with a 350 from about 73 to 79, and tell em you want spark plugs, oil filter, etc. for it; and it won't make any difference to what you get, because they're all pretty much the same.
NOBODY takes a 35-year-old motor in totally original unmolested untouched condition and jsut sticks it into an almost 30-year-old hot-rod car. While certainly "possible", I'd describe the odds of such a thing happening as "quantum mechanical": lots and lots of zeroes to the right of the decimal point before getting to the first non-zero digit.
More likely, that engine has been "rebuilt" somewhere along the line. That means, somebody tore it completely down, put the block in a giant pile of blocks, the rods in a giant pile of rods, the cam in the trash, the heads in a pile of heads, etc.; sent each of those piles of parts through the renewal process appropriate to it, in a mass-production sort of fashion; and at the end, reached into the pile of "renewed" blocks and picked up one, the pile of "renewed" cranks and picked up one, the pile of "renewed" rods and picked up 8, the pile of "renewed" heads and picked up 2, pulled a cam out of a box of probably 24 generic replacement ones, and 8 pistons out of a simialr crate; and assembled it. EVERY SINGLE PIECE could very easily, in fact more likely than not, have come from a different "engine".
I think you can safely de-assume that you're looking at whatever "engine" that "code" refers to, and instead, accept that you only have that BLOCK. You don't have the pistons, cam, heads, or any other parts of it, that actually determine what "engine" it is.
All you know, thus far, is that it's a 4" bore block; meaning, a 302, 327, or 350 (or 383 even), but NOT a 283, 305, 307, or 400 for example.
If you want to know what THE ENGINE is, you need to know what pistons are in it, which you have to VISUALLY INSPECT to get that info if y ou weren't the one that put them there; what cam is in it (see "pistons" for how to tell what it is); what heads are on it, which you can get the head casting number to tell you; and then of course what machine work was, or wasn't, done to it in the process.
None of the rest of those numbers is of the slightest value toward identifying the "engine".
Get that other info and we can tell you more about what you've got.
In the meantime, if all you're trying to do is buy parts for it, very little of any of that matters. You can make up whatever application you want people to think it is just picking from Chevy vehicels (car or truck) with a 350 from about 73 to 79, and tell em you want spark plugs, oil filter, etc. for it; and it won't make any difference to what you get, because they're all pretty much the same.
Re: Help identifying engine
As the person who has spent the last couple months dealing with the absolutely shoddy quality with which all the work on this vehicle has been done, and the fact that the block itself seems to be an uncommon one, I'd be hugely surprised if any part of the engine short of the intake had been changed. Its still running TBI with an as far as I can tell stock TBI computer, which would be surprising if it had indeed been rebuilt. Every gasket and seal in the engine has basically turned rock hard from age, and while the engine is not filthy inside, it doesn't look clean enough to have been rebuilt. Just basically, I am fairly sure this engine sits in my car fairly close to the way it came out of the factory. It's definitely possible I am wrong, but I feel like its unlikely.
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Re: Help identifying engine
10054727
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350
Car & Truck 2-bolt Passenger stick 1-piece seal
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86-up
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Car & Truck 2-bolt Passenger stick 1-piece seal
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http://outintheshop.com/faq/casting/castings2.html
Re: Help identifying engine
I already found information like that. Its basically completely useless. I already know I have a 350, I already know its gotta be from the late 80s or early 90s, and I already know it has a 1 piece rear main seal, you can figure that all out just looking at the engine. I'm really trying to figure out what the block came out of. I have no real reason for wanting to know other than I'm just curious. The fact that there is so little information about the block and heads is making me very curious as to what I have.
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Re: Help identifying engine
On the front of the engine on the RH side, behind the Air Conditioner Compressor, there should be a place where there are some stamped numbers.
IIRC There you should find something like
HL123456 - Which is the Year (H) the Factory it was sent to (L) and the sequence number. This will tell you at least the factory where the car or truck that the engine was installed. You can decipher from there, by what was made at that factory what it came out of, at least closely. You might not be able to determine Truck from Suburban, but you will know it was a truck of some sort.
Then there is another stamping in the same area that will tell you more about the engine. I want to think VHB293 or something like that (I made up the numbers), and that will tell you even more.
Good luck.
IIRC There you should find something like
HL123456 - Which is the Year (H) the Factory it was sent to (L) and the sequence number. This will tell you at least the factory where the car or truck that the engine was installed. You can decipher from there, by what was made at that factory what it came out of, at least closely. You might not be able to determine Truck from Suburban, but you will know it was a truck of some sort.
Then there is another stamping in the same area that will tell you more about the engine. I want to think VHB293 or something like that (I made up the numbers), and that will tell you even more.
Good luck.
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