indygene

hello folks I am wondering how rare my 1982 indy pace car is it is equipped with factory rear disc brake option and the hood is fiberglass with functioning hood scoops the hood scoops have doors that open to let air in and close to keep water out the hood with functioning hood scoops is the original hood that the car left the factory with The vin number for my camaro is 1G1AP8773CL133137 the eight digit being 7 indicates my camaro had the fuel injected engine which in 1982 was the crappy crossfire 305

8t2 z-chev

does it still have the crossfire injection?-the hood you describe originally came on the CFI cars.

((Mike))

iTrader: (1)

In my opinion the CFI pace cars with the rear Disc brakes are the best ones. I remember reading a book about them and the author said if you were going to look for one, thats the one to get.

FormerL69

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There are no official records of how many J65 rear disc cars were built. As Mike said, the consensus over time is that there were not many -- making them "rare" by some people's definition. It sounds like your car is also a CFI as well, so I'm guessing it may be a well optioned pace car.

IMHO, the rear discs are not going to significantly change the value of the car unless you find someone who is really after that specific option. Unfortunately, the 82 pace cars just aren't worth a whole lot. It's cool that you have a rear disc car, though.

Post some pics!

Randy

indygene

yes it does have cross fire injection is there a way to find out how many came equipped with the options i have

indygene

then i did well because my 82 indy pace car has the rear disc brakes and crossfire injection

FormerL69

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Nope. There are not records from back them of how many cars are built with which options.

indygene

i would love to post some pics of my pace car now i just dont know how to post them

JT

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See the following:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/prob...mages-tgo.html

Or send them to me jt@thirdgen.org

scottmoyer

There is no number to state how many have the rear disc brakes. The pace car makes up about 10% of the total Z28 count so many have said that a rough number would be about 10% of the total number of disc brakes offered in 82. This is no where near accurate so using that number to validate rarity won't work.

indygene

here are some pics of my car

RedLeader289

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I thought we were talking about a pace car...?

RedLeader289

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Did someone do significant modifications to the exterior? If so that would be a first, as every other pace car I've seen is original-looking

midias

Looks like the crossfire is gone.

mcgarnicle

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I'm not that familiar with the early 3rd gens. This looks more like a later car with pace car seats, if it is an actual pace car, all the stuff that makes it rare are gone...

gt4373

If It Was Original It Would Be Rare,But It Looks Like It's Been Worked Over Quite A Bit.

InfernalVortex

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That car is not going to be worth any kind of special or rare money being that heavily modified. It would cost more money to get that back into original 82 pace car condition/paint than it would be worth in that condition, which is probably two to three times as much as it's worth now.

FormerL69

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Main question is this: what does the trim tag say on the radiator support? If this is a pace car, it's obviously been changed in a lot of ways.

cs80camaro

The car has been ruined

InfernalVortex

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Well, if it was just a plain jane LG4 Z28 then I wouldn't say it's ruined, it's just got a goofy paint job. I mean the paint job is obviously subjective, but other than that the car doesnt seem like it's a heap of poo like a lot of the ones on this site. The body is straight... although we cant see how the bumper cover looks. It's definitely got the 82-84 ground fx on it and the 82-86 rear spoiler(same as the 91-92 spoiler) It's just modified more like a base model RS or LG4 Z28 would be instead of like a limited edition Pace Car would be. But those pace cars I dont think are really worth THAT much money. I'd guess a super clean, super low miles one would go for what... $9k? Moderate miles in the $7k range? high miles but stock in the $5-6k range? I figure at most I might be $1-3k low on those figures.

mcgarnicle

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Agreed, definately not a bad car. Yeah I don't know what kind of desirability the pace cars have, I personally wouldn't pay more just for that, but I'm sure some would.

gt4373

The Only Exception To That Is If It Was One Of The 4 Rumored To Be Built All Aluminum 5.7's,That Would Be Worth Big $$$.

indygene

it was a indy pace car the original owner had it repainted i have the original crossfire engine and build sheet with all the indy pace car equipment

indygene

the original owner had it repainted dont know y the tag on the radiator support confirms it is indeed a pace car

indygene

it was a pace car i think the paint job sucks thats the way the original owner had it repainted

RedLeader289

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Ah, cool cool

I believe there's just some decoding things on the trim tag that can help you to prove it is all, similar to the build sheet but with less info, if that makes sense.

indygene

this is all the codes of what my camaro came with as well as the tag on the radiator support the car was completely torn apart and repainted it started out as a pace car however the car was devalued by removing all the pace car emblems and the crossfire engine it came with i bought the camaro with a 69 350 in its place i do have the original engine for the car so i can put it back in however it doesnt have the crossfire manifold or throttle bodies as they were missing at the time of purchase. i am considering trying to update the engine and running gear to an ls2 for better performance and driveability any thoughts on this direction and how to accomplish this are welcomed

indygene

its worth a lot to me as my wife let me get it even though shortly after she was diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer its our project which has helped us cope with her cancer

indygene

thanks i love it anyway its in great shape it sat in a barn for 14 years and seeing how it was devalued from pace car status i can rebuild it the way i want and it will be a fun car to drive

indygene

thanks i appreciate the help even though it will cost way to much to bring it back to a pace car all the other goodies it came with will make it a blast to drive

mjdavis68

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Why aren't there any OFFICIAL build records on these rare cars???

InfernalVortex

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The CFI intake and throttle bodies along with the goofy air ducting are what made it special. It's not a great system and was allegedly prone to issues. It was the first electronic fuel injection system GM made. Due to their issues, people tended to toss them in the garbage and put carbs on those cars instead. Times were just different back then. But due to all of that they're rare to find anywhere these days and that's why people got so excited that you said you had one. LU5's with carbs or with no CFI setup are a lot more common than stock LU5's. If that's gone it's basically just an LG4 I think. "numbers matching" doesn't mean much unless it's also completely stock. I dont think these cars will ever be in a situation where people are worried about "numbers matching" anything to them, but the pace car might be one of the only ones (along with the Firehawks and TTA's) that might one day matter. But like we said, yours is so modified it doesn't really matter anymore. Even if you converted it all back (I love the pace car paint scheme, so it might be a good idea for you to do that, but the wheels were special too. They had some cool pinstriping on them) those people usually want "survivor" or pristine super restored cars... the former requires it to have never been modified (as far as they can tell) and hte latter requires a lot more money than the car is worth.

For the record the people who are saying "it's ruined" are referring to potential worth as an all original, all stock pace car with the CFI intake, throttle bodies, goofy hood ducting etc that are missing. Just as a regular thirdgen I wouldn't say it's ruined, so dont let that get to you. It might be worth marginally more than any other 82 Z if the paintjob was more traditional, whereas otherwise it would probably be worth $2-5k more depending on various things.

A well done LS anything swap will increase the value of the car quite a bit. Not as much as you put in, but you get fun out of it too... emphasis on well-done. It must be practical and bug-free and swap cars rarely are either of those. But people wont care about the modifications and crossfire being gone as much if it has modern running gear. A 1969 350 is at best a marginal improvement over the LU5 depending on what metric you use, but an LS anythign is a dramatic improvement over both. But an LS swap will likely forever prevent it from being worth anything as a "stock" pace car, although I think that ship has sailed.

FormerL69

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Because GM didn't keep them. All anyone has are educated guesses.

FormerL69

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That pretty much puts in in perspective. Very sorry to hear about your wife's situation and glad you two have a project to work on.

Have you checked under the passenger seat to see if the build sheet is still there?

indygene

i completely agree i don't think it will ever be the car it was so i am gonna have fun restoring it and building it with the wife i do however have the goofy hood ducting that the crossfire engine came with i just don't have the manifold and the throttle bodies any more

indygene

yes i checked under the passenger seat i didn't see the build sheet it must have been removed when the car was dismantled

RedLeader289

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Sounds like a good project and I hope you get it to how you want it to be

gt4373

I Decoded Your Body Identification Plate The Best I Could,This Is What It Shows. But The Body Identification Plate And The Service Parts Identification Tag Show Different Assembly Plants And Different Sequence Numbers.

navy02ws6

Two words: Ralph Nader. GM supposedly "lost" all existing production records (and "didn't keep any" subsequently) on all U.S. sold Chevrolets as soon as the court case over the Corvair being "unsafe" got big back in the the mid-late 1960s.

indygene

thanks i am having a blast working on it so far it's great not having rust fall in your eyes

indygene

huh that's weird as the vin number on the list attached to the console lid matches the vin code in the upper left corner of the dash i do know the original owners of the car personally the only thing they did was dismantle the car and have it repainted and the original cfi engine rebuilt and bored thirty over i have that engine still although its not in the car at this time

Scorpner

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It couldn't hurt to collect the missing crossfire parts over time when you find them cheap. From what I recall the exhaust is also unique. One guy here locally was dead set on getting rid of the crossfire intake and exhaust and I told him to put it in a box for later. I don't know if he ever did that though.

Do what you want with it. It does look like it's in nice condition and if you enjoy doing so, bring it back to original, or just drive it as is. Personally I would just enjoy it as is and maybe mod the engine that's in there.

InfernalVortex

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The dash and list vin numbers coinciding are pretty big indicators that that's your car. The LG4 indicates a non-crossfire car, actually. It IS a Z28, though.

The plate on the front of the car obviously came from somewhere else.

indygene

ok i am stumped I know it had the crossfire engine in it i have all the parts except the manifold and throttle bodies i just remembered that i had gotten rid of them because i don't have the knowledge to put it back together i do however have the goofy set up that attached to the hood for the crossfire air cleaner

gt4373

The Cross-Fire Injection Engine RPO Code Would Be LU5

indygene

i rechecked the label list and my vin tag they don't match however the vin number and the radiator support tag match
the tag reads c0381fp87 133137 26g 16L 16U w a09 cc1 d s 083059 i will also copy the vin in the morning so we can decode the vin and see exactly what my car is

simo

The 1982 Camaro did not have a SPID label in the console as 1984 was the first year for it.

InfernalVortex

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Well figure out what part doesnt match. If Im not mistaken that metal tag should match some part of the vin number.

gt4373

Yes These 6 Numbers Should Be The Same As The Last 6 In The VIN.

indygene

thanks that makes a lot more sense