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Wow. I can only imagine the fun that the previous owners have had with that car... 88 miles! I think I've probably logged over 88 miles with the tires smoking.
Seems many times these classic car dealers start out by trying to double their money. We have seen it several times now. I do often wonder how these guys find these cars though. Sellers come to them I suppose, rather than putting them on ebay or craigslist? Gateway I believe is mostly consignment vehicles, & Vanguard claims they own all of their cars. Would be cool if there was a database to archive every car that goes up for sale on the internet. So many of these cars get sold over & over. Well, at least they do when they are priced reasonable.
Seems many times these classic car dealers start out by trying to double their money. We have seen it several times now. I do often wonder how these guys find these cars though. Sellers come to them I suppose, rather than putting them on ebay or craigslist? Gateway I believe is mostly consignment vehicles, & Vanguard claims they own all of their cars. Would be cool if there was a database to archive every car that goes up for sale on the internet. So many of these cars get sold over & over. Well, at least they do when they are priced reasonable.
That seems to be the formula. Buy a car, then resell and times 2 price.
Gateway is all consignment, though. They charge the owner a fee to clean up and market the car and then get a percentage of the sale price. I've called about cars from ads I've seen, and when the owner tells me they've already given it to Gateway, the price usually goes up 25%-30%. I'm just not the guy to buy one from Gateway.
How do any of these 'high rollers"(for lack of a better term) find these cars?? Say what you want about the tv guys like Richard Rallins, but how the heck do these people grab these cars and occasionally almost double their money? It behooves me that there are, with today's technology, sellers out there that are that stupid! Heck, when I was IROC shopping back in 2011, I stumbled across the original Craigslist ad for the 17,000 mile car that I missed out on from a classic car dealer (who was selling it for like 17,5) in which it was listed for like 13k. I'm all about making money, and I understand professional dealers have overhead to cover, but how come us regular guys can hardly ever get these buys before the pros?
How do any of these 'high rollers"(for lack of a better term) find these cars?? Say what you want about the tv guys like Richard Rallins, but how the heck do these people grab these cars and occasionally almost double their money? It behooves me that there are, with today's technology, sellers out there that are that stupid! Heck, when I was IROC shopping back in 2011, I stumbled across the original Craigslist ad for the 17,000 mile car that I missed out on from a classic car dealer (who was selling it for like 17,5) in which it was listed for like 13k. I'm all about making money, and I understand professional dealers have overhead to cover, but how come us regular guys can hardly ever get these buys before the pros?
It's easier to get those cars when the seller calls you rather than visa versa.
It's easier to get those cars when the seller calls you rather than visa versa.
and ive called these dealers about selling them cars and they want to pay you pennies on the dollars .. they also told me there asking these crazy prices but they are not coming even close to there asking price when they sell them ..
and ive called these dealers about selling them cars and they want to pay you pennies on the dollars .. they also told me there asking these crazy prices but they are not coming even close to there asking price when they sell them ..
Streetside Classics had a low mile black 1990 IROC Vert for sale for $27-28k for 3-4 years when I was looking. The price dropped a couple times and finally it sold. I’d bet $8-10k below their original asking price..
I think they go for the impulse buyer with money that isn’t immersed in the thirdgen scene and over time they have to sell to an enthusiast for short profit just to move the car. Can’t blame them for trying to make a $12k profit off a sucker who wants to relive high school years..
There’s a market for these cars but people “in the know” are in pretty close agreement what prices are outlandish..
and ive called these dealers about selling them cars and they want to pay you pennies on the dollars .. they also told me there asking these crazy prices but they are not coming even close to there asking price when they sell them ..
Absolutely. You wouldn't accept that offer, but some would.
Were The Tranny Oil Pans Bare Metal,It's Got More Rust Than The Exhaust System.
Wow. It may be that the car was not properly stored? Moisture may have got underneath, causing the transmission pan to look like this and some surface rust on some of the suspension parts. Overall, it's a nice original specimen.
Were The Tranny Oil Pans Bare Metal,It's Got More Rust Than The Exhaust System.
You know, that's not terrible and would probably clean up nicely, but for what they are asking, this bit of detailing should already have been done, in order to make it a no excuses car.
and ive called these dealers about selling them cars and they want to pay you pennies on the dollars .. they also told me there asking these crazy prices but they are not coming even close to there asking price when they sell them ..
Is that what they are saying to justify the separation between low buyer offers to high asking price (to a questioning seller), or do you feel they really wiggle that much on price? I have friend looking for a 70-72 Firebird/TA. He talked to a couple of classic car dealers that had cars of interest. While they haggled a tiny bit, they didn't move much at all for him to jump on a plane & go buy a car.
I think it delpends on the car.. They probably aren’t picking up a 70-72 firebird for as cheap as a third-gen so there’s more wiggle room in the thirdgen prices. In some cases I think they are asking double what they paid for some thirdgens so they will eventually come down on price if the car is listed for a while. Thirdgens are just coming into their own as classics so the dealers are kind of “seeing what they can get” for them.
If a car sits for a really long time, sometimes they will break even on it just to move it and put that money towards something else that will give them a higher return.
Wow. I can only imagine the fun that the previous owners have had with that car... 88 miles! I think I've probably logged over 88 miles with the tires smoking.
What a waste.
Did you still have the plastic on your seats when logging those 88 burnout miles! LOL
Is that what they are saying to justify the separation between low buyer offers to high asking price (to a questioning seller), or do you feel they really wiggle that much on price? I have friend looking for a 70-72 Firebird/TA. He talked to a couple of classic car dealers that had cars of interest. While they haggled a tiny bit, they didn't move much at all for him to jump on a plane & go buy a car.
the dealer probably didnt get the 70-72 TA real cheap so they couldnt deal as much .. they can find third gens cheap and mark them up 50 % .. hard to find 60's early 70's cars real cheap
the dealer probably didnt get the 70-72 TA real cheap so they couldnt deal as much .. they can find third gens cheap and mark them up 50 % .. hard to find 60's early 70's cars real cheap
Well it's nice a few of these no-mile cars exist for reference. Good to see how the paint was done, how the stickers were done, and so forth. For me ... glad to see a few museum examples.
Odd car ... leather and no radio. Could only speculate as to why that was ordered.
Well it's nice a few of these no-mile cars exist for reference. Good to see how the paint was done, how the stickers were done, and so forth. For me ... glad to see a few museum examples.
Odd car ... leather and no radio. Could only speculate as to why that was ordered.
Mark.
1LE was a special “track” package so no A/C or Radio.. Bigger breaks and stiffer suspension as well.. Probably some other things I could look up as well but you get the point..
Correct me if I’m wrong but did they have no power options at all to save weight?
1LE was a special “track” package so no A/C or Radio.. Bigger breaks and stiffer suspension as well.. Probably some other things I could look up as well but you get the point..
Correct me if I’m wrong but did they have no power options at all to save weight?
if I remember correctly you could get a Camaro 1LE with power windows and any radio. On the firebirds you could order them with T-Tops.
if I remember correctly you could get a Camaro 1LE with power windows and any radio. On the firebirds you could order them with T-Tops.
I only saw a couple 1LEs in person back in the day and they both had radio delete and crank windows.. I bet power options or a Firebird with T-Tops would be a nice, rare collector car!
Im sure they’d let you add options at the dealership..
