I got an '87 IROC off of ebay, or so I think.

I think it may have been an SC that was converted because: Has grey trim at the bottom all around it (only SCs had that in '87) and only the chin part of the gfx is there which could have been put on later. The mirrors are black, I've only seen this on SCs. The sway bars are 30mm/18mm which is smaller than I thought an IROC would have. No hood blisters. Says 'Camaro' on the side instead of IROC. No wonder bar which all IROCS should have had from '87 on.

But, it has IROC wheels, says IROC on the dash and has the 120mph speedo, the nose isn't slotted like SCs.

The VIN tells me it's an '87 and had an LG4. Carfax is clean. There's no rpo sheet in the console and it deteriorated under the back part of the carpet.

Could this be one of those weirdo option combos that 1987s saw and I still have an IROC? Are there other features I can check for that only IROCs had like T-tops or power hatch pulldown?

Also see http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/67419..._Vkd8AFmR1CD4M for another pic(big)

 

Go to the dealer and see if they will print your RPO's out for you. I'm thinking that it was a conversion done by the guy before you. I though all IROC's had TPI's. Also the missing hood louvers and missing wonderbar lead me to the same conclusion. RPO's will prove it though.

-Matt

 

Typically when an RPO sheet is missing, it's missing because the car has been butchered. Unfortunately when this happens, all identification on the vehicle (except the VIN on the dash) mysteriously is missing too. For example, look for the paper VIN tag on the underside of the hood. Because Z28's have a unique hood (keep in mind the IROC-Z was an option on the Z28 for 1987), if the VIN on the hood matches the dash, it is conclusive evidence. Also look for the tire sticker on the driver's door jamb. Only the IROC-Z had 16-inchers. Again, this is conclusive evidence. I'm willing to bet though, that these parts do not have any ID on them.

Also, it's unfortunate that the VIN does not give conclusive evidence on your car. That's because the LG4 was available as an option on Sport Coupes and standard equipment on the 1987 Z28 (with or without the IROC-Z option).

 

Can't access your picture, access denied. From the one you posted though, it appears it lacks the side gfx as well. Here are things to look for on an IROC:

Hood Louvers
Body colored gfx
Body colored side view mirrors
Rear spoiler w/ brake light (only a few sport coupes got the '86 style light)
Fog lamps
Grid style taillights
Z/28 emblems on exterior
Z/28 IROC-Z emblem on dash board
Leather wrapped steering wheel, shifter ****, and parking brake lever
Wonder bar
16" wheels
IROC specific steering box
Tire/wheel decal on drivers door specifying 16" wheels
Metal brace from passenger fender to firewall (don't think this should be on base car)

If you were told by the seller in writing (ie if you have the eBay page saved or printed) that this vehicle was an IROC, and it turns out not to be, and you think you overpaid for what a sport coupe is worth, demand your money back from the seller. It is legally fraud if the seller misrepresents a vehicle and makes a profit from that difference, and as I understand it you would be entitled to double damages. Plus you would be entitled to any costs including delivery.

 

i fixed the link to the pic i think http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/67419..._Vkd8AFmR1CD4M

 

The probability of someone taking a Z28 and making it appear like a Sport Coupe is virtually nil. I'm sure everyone would agree to this. So based on likelihood of this not happening, what you've got there is a 1987 Sport Coupe.

Black exterior mirrors,
Black body side moldings (Z28's were color-keyed),
Sport coupe striping,
Sport coupe hood, and
No ground effects.

As you mentioned, you've got the smaller sway bars. The Z28 bars are 34mm and 23mm respectively. Again, check the VIN on the hood and the tire sticker on the driver's side door. This will give you absolute proof.

Willie

 

Thanks for the input guys. I'll check it out more indepth when I'm home, I'm co-oping for school right now two hours away from the car so it'll be next weekend before I see it again. I also just went to the dealer to see if they can give me an RPO sheet based on my VIN but they can only do it back to '90. I think what I'm gonna do is buy the bigger swaybars, wonder bar, steering gear and maybe springs and then try to get the guy I bought the car from to reimburse me. If he doesn't want to, maybe I'll file a suit against him but either way I want the bigger suspension parts.

 

I guess I have to ask... why would you buy something, especially from Ebay if you aren't familiar with what you are buying? With the resources on this board and you having 86 posts, I would think that you could have found out what an IROC at least looks like before bidding on something that doesn't even resemble an IROC!!

 

It never occured to me that the guy could be lying about it because it had the IROC wheels in the pic and the one of the dash had the IROC logo. I figured the hood was just a replacement one without the blisters. Buyer beware I guess but I will take legal action if it gets down to it. The guy sold it through the dealer where he's employed so it'll be easy enough to find him if I need to. I guess the only good out of this is it'll look like a sleeper when I'm done with it.

This is the auction btw: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...900800&r=0&t=0

 

What legal action do you have unless the guy did a
total misrep I dont think you have a pot to pi$$ in. Why dont you post the ebay link and let us see what was said. In addition I
bought 3 cars off of ebay 2 of the cars were from the east and Im in the west, but I did my homework dont let the ebay moment decive you, enjoy your car make it your own and get on with life, Im getting sick of this sue happy world

PS Im not bashing you for wanting to take action if the guy LIED to you, but if he didnt, dont worry about it

PS I didnt see the ebay link in your last post, Ill go check it out
SORRY

 

You got took...

The lack of a the wonder bar is the giveaway. Lots of people try to make their cars look like IROCs...but forget that bar. That was IROC specific. The sway bars are small, the taillights are wrong, the ONLY things it has are simple stickers and badges you can get at a junkyard.

With that said, I see you paid around 1200 for it. If it is in pretty good shape but ends up NOT being an IROC...oh well. Sounds like you got a good deal nevertheless. Besides, the guy you bought it from might have just been going by the stickers. He might not of known any better.

I have an IROC...wouldn't settle for anything less(I like the 'mystique')...but you can buy all the parts to make it an IROC. Buy a WS6 setup...put a good engine in it...put 16 or 17" tires on it...you got about the same thing...and probably still have less in it.

 

I agree that the price might be good if the car is in great shape. However, I still think you should have known what to look for. Immediately, I saw the taillights are incorrect, the headlight pockets are wrong color and it has the hood of an SC. Just the fact that these 3 items alone all belong on the SC, I would not have thought that the hood was swapped. In fact, I would've thought that the rims were swapped.

As for the dealer misrepresenting the vehicle...he did. What are you gonna do? According to Ebay rules, you can take it back to him and he has to give you your money back, or you can negotiate a $$ settlement of a few hundred off the price. I think legal action is extreme since this is a dealer and they usually don't have a clue what's on their lots.

A friend of mine dressed up his 87 Mustang with all the GT components and traded it in. The dealer tried selling it as a GT. They should have known better since it had the 4 cyl engine!!! But the salesman didn't. He tried selling the car as a custom car and it was. A 4 banger with a custom color paint job and custom GFX.

 

$1200 for a car with no engine is a good deal? Since when?

I bought an 88 GTA a while back, black, black leather, 305 tpi 5 speed, in pretty good condition and needed a little work to run pretty good, for 1k. That was a good deal.

As far as the car bein an IROC, definatly not. Also, I believe you legally can do something about it, as the car was advertised as an IROC. You bid on an IROC, no an SC. Period!

 

You should be able to legally undo the sale. He misrepresented the car. What you paid was absolutely no deal, since that car has none of the valuable parts on it, aside from the wheels and front bumper. If it was me, that is what I'd do. If he won't undo the sale, first threaten to file a complaint with the state Atty. General, since he is a business. If he still won't, then actually do it. I had to do that one time when a pickup I bought failed the next day, and I found out that it was misrepresented (and yes I had it checked out by a mechanic before I bought it). It worked. Business' really don't like that kind of trouble.

 

QUOTE:

$1200 for a car with no engine is a good deal? Since when?

REPLY:

Since I said it was.

'Good Deal' is relative...much like 'streetable' or 'fast'.

Come to Indiana and try to find a rolling chassis in good shape that is that old for 1200 bucks. Hell, the original poster hails from this area...I'm betting he can concur on this point.