Notice how he just copies whatever you throw at him? I bet he doesn't even know what ignorant means and had to use my post to spell it. I kinda feel sorry for him. You can tell he's young which doesn't bother me as lots of members are various ages. It's the retarded 15 year olds who think they know **** about **** that TGO needs to filter out. Apparently he doesn't need to show us anything lol!

Whatever internet thug. Go on spamming your ill info to newbies. Like Stephen said, you won't be here long and you won't be missed. Perhaps selling your car to someone who can appreciate it and mod it responsibly would be a wise choice? Food for thought. That is, if you can actually comprehend what I'm saying. I don't speak idiot, sorry.

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ur 39 or 34 ??? more lies haha ok u mean picture rite ur catching on lol there should be and idiot radar tgo

u just spoke idiot lol because ur senior member does not mean crap to me .. what else ur car looks like crap by the way if the banned me ok no problem .

i wont be push around by seniors members simple both of u keep ur business out of other peoples cars that's im it done go ahead i give u permission to post whatever crap after this i wont replay to any non sense from this thread any more good bye

that is one sexy car stephen i like the blk rims on the white.

You are an idiot. I spoke clearly. Your just too stupid to comprehend.

I am 39 NOW. I RETIRED at 34.

If there was an idiot radar, you'd have never made it in. Still haven't learned to spell yet, have you? "there should be and idiot radar" The correct word is AN, not AND. This nations future is doomed, if you are what our future holds.

#1, this isn't your thread.

#2, nobody needs anybodies permission to post anywhere on TGO. It is a Public Forum.

#3, nobody is pushing anyone around. I just don't want people mounting their stuff incorrectly, thinking it is OK because you did yours wrong & they saw your pic.

There you go with your misspelling again, but I'm not surprised. On average, you have 2-3 per post & I'm not even talking about short version of words like 'U' for 'you'.

last i checked stephen has a white T/A with a special one of a kind steel hood.....

been here since day 1.. and i think you should calm down kiddo... hes done more for tgo... than 90% of everyone on this thread...

let it go guys... go back on topic... before mods come and start using the ban hammer....

if they both drop it and apologize i will do the same simple

but my mounting is correct why can u get that shhhhs

Thanks. I need to get a new pic. In that one, the OEM 4th gen wing was off for paint & the custom hood wasn't on at that time.

Because you haven't said how or shown a pic. Judging by your pic, the harness strap is not going backwards anywhere & just hanging straight down, which in not right.

Right off the back when I ASKED, you could have posted a pic & cleared this all up. But no, you drug it out.

Real simple.....Post a pic, like I said like 5 pages ago, and this will end IF it mounted correctly.

pictures aren't always what they appear to be , u didn't ask me u where attacking saying blah blah ur harness is mounted wrong thats what got me mad u didn't even know it was a 3 point where do u get its hanging its not hanging is bolt it on!!!!

You keep harping on that 3-pt thing. We get it, OK? 4,5 or 6....The shoulder straps still need to be mounted the same way.

But REGARDLESS of how many points it has, the shoulder straps have to be mounted a certain way, which yours are not mounted LEGALLY. No sanctioning body would allow your belts. I can say that with certainty, since they are obviously mounted way too low to satisfy any rules.

Show us! Until we SEE a pic, we'll think it is not even installed, just hanging over a seat. Without pics, you are only reinforcing the thought that is probably IS just hanging there, not even bolted down at all. A pic will show where the back of your 3-pt goes to. If it goes straight down to the floor? Bad mounting. If it goes to the rear deck & the strap is only clipped in (see? i do know something about how harnesses are mounted) only with the rear seat flipped down? Well, it depends on the height difference between your seat shoulders & the mount.

I've said this part before, but I'll say it again.....
My entire point regarding your belts, was that it appears to not be SAFELY mounted. It appears to not satisfy ANY racing class rules. For a PURE show car, that actually sees no track time & is pure glitter? Sure. That is fine. I still can't agree with stuff mounted bad in a show car, for the same reason I didn't like seeing your pic. People who know nothing about harnesses might look at such bad mountings & do that in their real race car, then get mad when their spine get crushed or the car rolls over & they get crushed.

Factory 3-pt seat belt are designed to allow a person's body to lean to one side in the event of a roll over, preventing their heads from getting crushed when the roof collapses. Even if yours are mounted correctly, without a roll bar that still makes them unsafe.

Lots of people use a simple harness bar for autocross to hold them in firmly. For the most part that is OK, since they are running solo in a big flat empty parking lot with nothing to catch the car & flip it over. There is always the slight chance that a tire could blow & the rim dig into the asphalt & flip the car, but that is the car owners decision to risk.

Corbeau even makes such a bar for Mustangs.....
http://www.corbeau.com/products/harn...g_harness_bar/. Just because such a product exists, that doesn't make it the best choice.

im just tired of reading this over and over my harness is safe simple and that's the end for me in fed up with this topic . if people want to install a harness well they should ask a pro . cleanrs even call corbeau directly and told him it was good but ur saying its not u should call them yourself and tell them there multi million company is giving false info on how to mount the 3 point harness

We ALL are tired of reading it too. Just post a pic & it'll stop, if your harness is mounted as safe as you say it is. But since you haven't posted a pic, we can only assume that you know it isn't safe & are afraid to admit it by posting the pic that will prove us wrong.

If I were you, I would be very eager to prove that I'm wrong & haven't posted a pic several pages back. But you won't, because I'm right.

Go ahead.....Post a pic proving yours is mounted safely. That is all it takes to shut me up.

if i post a pick and prove u where wrong then what ? what are u going to say hmm. tell me i want to know

If you post a pic of a SAFE mount harness bar, I will admit that your harness is mounted safely. That is all I have been asking for. Pics of a SAFE mount in your car. But I'm confident that you can't show pics of a SAFE mount or that will pass tech.

thats no worth the struggle of taking all my pieces of the car just to prove u wrong

Yep. You've got a junk mount & you know it!

I didn't ask you to take ANY pieces off or apart. Just pics of how/where the belt runs & how it mounts.

read from the start of the thread im an redoing my interior all the pieces are inside it im not going to them out and take a pick just for u ! lol and then take the all back in im not winning any thing am i ? i told u give something that's worth all the struggle went u have something let me know

Excuses, excuses, excuses....I'm not surprised you suddenly came up with an excuse that you can't take pics.

I do have something for you.....trust by thousands of TGO users who can trust your word afterwards. Otherwise, you have nothing to back you up & say what you say has any merit.

I do remember you posting that you were going to send pics to people, yet suddenly you can't send pics.

Your means nothing.

i didn't say i cant take picks . my words where give something that's worth my struggle u still haven't give me nothing yet, but i don't even know 90% of these ppl here i don't care if people in here believe or not its a forum its not like i know u and have to prove my self to u or do i?

What??? You wanna get paid to take pics now?

What the hell am I supposed to give you? I've already said...I do not care about YOUR setup in YOUR car for YOUR safety. I only care about people who care enough about their own safety & want to build their car right.

I'm done with you. All you can do is babble on, because you are too scared to take pics of your junk to prove me right.

You have even posted that you already have pics, so it takes like zero effort. Just post the pics you supposedly already have of your supposed harness in your supposed car.

It may be "just a forum", but it can become real-life friends. I've met, in person, people from out-of-town local to me & even people from out-of-state.

If you don't care about them, why do you think they are gonna help you Online? What about the day you need a helping hand in person? My local 3rd gen club gets together to lend a helping hand to each other. We've even help each others move from house to house. Nothing to do with cars AT ALL.

In May, I'll meet TGO people from all over Texas again, like last year, in the Texas State Roundup (meeting), same as we did last year.

aww ur insulting my car now? wow ur a senior here lol my car is worth alot more than yours a have more money invested in mine than yours if mi car is junk whats urs scrap metal i have my car built rite u haven't prove me wrong ur just saying blah blah but u haven't actually prove me wrong lol i u i think u care since u still here talking crap

yes yes people work like my self i don't have time meeting up people unless they are close by yes i have a club but not in here and ur point is i don't think ur going to meet every simple person from here rite duhh

Yep. You feel the need to hide behind a screen name & try to come up with something that makes you car something "special".

You have NO IDEA about my car, so you can't even begin to start comparing our cars. Maybe your is worth more. WHO CARES???? I don't.

I'm not talking crap. I'm trying to find out if your harness actually has a safe mount or not, to keep people from unsafely mounting theirs, based on your pic.

If your harness is mounted he way I suspect it is, then your car is NOT built "built rite".

what u do with ur life is ur problem i dont got the spared time like u do all day simple since im never going to meet u i have no point to keep posting to ur nonsense believe watever u want to believe if that makes u happy rite on

Meet EVERYONE from TGO? No. But I will meet a lot of Texas people (again) May.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/sout...ml#post4784039

1bad, you really need to relax, Stephen has done nothing but try to help you.
The only impression I get from you is that your a dumb highschool kid that knows everything cause you've been working on cars your whole life. By the way 15 years, the last 5 or so that you can remeber something about a car other then it has tires isn't near long enough to come close to matching the knowledge the members of this site have.
What you have steped into is part of the racing world, working on cars for I don't care how long means nothing if you worked in a shop replacing starters and changing oil. Without knowing how to properly and safely modify a car your only going to hurt yourself, and I hope to god no one else. Usually works the other way around though.
I am very curious to see your mount, and I also think you do not have it mounted properly. You would have had not reason to even begin an argument.
Also as for taking a pic now, it shouldn't matter if your car is completely striped. The mount should be a solid part of the body/frame which is the same. Roll bars mount to the frame, frame is "part" of the body. You should be able to easily take a pic and say it's taken apart but this is where it mounts.

i don't need to my car is special so does everybody here thinks there car is special in the forum , i hate went people talk crap about another person car u are 39 ur a senior member here sorry but u don't have respect for other peoples car ideas enough say good day to u

Stephen has in now way tried to disrespect your or your car for that matter, he was and still is trying to help you, and alot of others on this site.
You just refuse to see that, and I believe he is correct.
I wonder why you think your car would be worth so much more then his?
You really need to lose the attitude, I can tell you this much, I wouldn't give you the time of day with the attitude you have shown here.

Your right. I sure don't have respect for other peoples cars, when their mods put other people at risk, if they copy that mod.

kbc ur wrong in automotive world no one ever stops leaning im not talking about the rest i just talking about him not every one else is like him well im tired believe whatever he tell u hes a senior good day to u all this is why i don't join forums the seniors always wanna talk down on new members they thing they have privileges of some short oh well laterz

last point im not asking for ur time,help or his time,help u can both keep talking i don't need ur help maybe other but not urs ok latez

Your right. No one ever stops learning. I still learn 3rd gen stuff all the time.

I don't talk down to Newbies. I'm just trying to help people mount their stuff correctly here & not injure their spines from a bad mount.

I'm just still surprised that if you truly are fed up with this thread & truly have a safe mount, you'd post it.

If I bother you so bad, you'd be eager to post a pic up to shut my mouth. But you won't because you can't.

I think that the mediator needs to clean this thread up.

I like to see other peoples projects and mods and enjoy there input and ideas that may improve my initial idea.

so every one have a good day and mod that thirdgen, have fun, enjoy life its to short to argue when there are rules and safety tecs to enforce,
speed safely!

I never made the comment that anyone stops learning.
What I did say maybe not direct enough for you to understand is that their are really several types of "automotive worlds" weather that be a stock car driven on the street or mildly modified, to racing, to off road, ect...
Your statement saying that you have worked on cars for year or your whole life means little in the racing world if you have not worked or been around actual race cars. I only add in race cars because your harness brings you into the racing world, weather your car is a race car or not. It still needs to be properly installed. Meaning the average person cannot tell you have to properly install it.
Which yet again brings up the point that you seem to have little to no experiance or knowledge in this area.

It's funny how he mentioned my car looks like crap, then complains when something is said about his car...

I never once said ANYthing about his car yet he attacks mine not even knowing what my car is, mods, track times etc...

This kids a joke. End of story. Admins need to lock this and ban this punk.

Agreed. Thread should be locked, but not deleted. Very valid safety concern that was tainted with ignorance. MODS?

Stephen, dont waste your time with this ignorant kid. You brought up a very valid point. I just read this thread and the pic posted earlier through up a huge red flag to me on how the harness was mounted. Thank you for pointing it out. We need people that question safety because there is always a chance that somebody will copy a poor design due to their own lack of knowledge and research.

Mounting specifications are basic dynamics. It doesnt change by the number of points, only the locations of those points.

Like I said, Thanks Stephen. But ignore this ignorant kid. You got your point across.

My apologies to everyone reading. Sorry that 1 single point got dragged out for 7 pages.

I did get my point across, now it is up to others to mount their harnesses safely, or mount them his way.

I hate to get involved here... and I am not taking sides here, but GEEZ! It's so bloody obvious that 1BADZ28SD does not have what he says...

And I just have to comment on what he said about him not caring about the trust on this forum... I beg to differ. If YOU sir do not care about trust on this forum then what are you doing here in the first place? I trust the guys on here more than I trust the mechanics in my city, that's how much trust I have for people on here. If everyone on this forum was like you there would be no forum, only leeches.

Personally, I try and give back to the community when I can and I am not even a mechanic but I spread the KNOWLEDGE when I can and everytime I can, because I appreciate what other people on here have done for me.

So, I have to agree with Steven on this because he has a right to challenge 1BADZ28SD's method of mounting his harness, especially since this a safety concern. And seriously man, you're not fooling anyone by not posting a pic. How old are you?

Agreed.

1BADZ28 - If you don't like it here, feel free to leave. So far you haven't added anything to this thread besides attacking multiple people.

wow this is some crazy stuff. this has deff. made my time out in the field fly by. lol. but like i had mentioned before, this was about the seats. he does have the seats i was wondering about and then i noticed the harness. but just because he has his harness mounted one way doesnt mean myself or others are not gonna do our research before we mount. thats why we are all here is to help one another not b!tch and complain about others cars. everyone has their own taste in cars. and thanks for all the help and pointing out such a mod.

Wow this is just to funny.
1BadZ28SD even if you have a 3 point harness it still gets mounted similar.
The bottom 2 straps are mounted to the floor and the top strap or straps (if you have the v into one system like you claim) Still have to be mounted no more than a 10 degree angle away from your shoulder. So how ever tall you are measure from your shoulders to your mounting point and then figure out the degrees of difference from point A to point B like a triangle.

It's that simple. If you've mounted your top straps to the floor then thats a 180 degrees and in an accident you spine will be broken if not severed and you'll either die instantly or be a crippled for the rest of your life eating from a tube because your paralyzed from the neck down.....but hey thats your choice everyone has now warned you and I've explained this as best I can.
If I could find the video I made about installing racing seats and harness (of any points 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 100 f*ing thousand it doesn't matter the priniciple is still the same) then I would show you how to mount a harness to a stock car at least 89 and up and be within the 10 degree limit.

Please tell me how I'm wrong or know nothing about your car when all third gens are the same interior wise (minus 89 up which just changed the rear seats to shoulder belt ((3 point)) design instead of the lap belts ((2 point)) designs, I feel I have to explain every belt and thier ((points)) since that seems to be the only thing you listen to is how many points a belt has.)

So as I said prior if it's mounted wrong and you don't want to admit it I pray you don't have an accident and live to regret your choices.


PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

OK....I thought I was done with this thread, but just got this from Coebeau, so there goes his idea of him mounting Corbeau straps safely.

Quoted from Corbeau & is on the pic I attached..... "Never anchor straight down behind the back. (See diagram for recommended anchorage points)", which is exactly what he has done.

Now he'll argue with Corbeau that straight down is perfectly safe!

finally i have like the 3 demo there happy i never had it straight down i told u that before went u buy a harness that sheet is included there duh!!

For the billionth time! Shoulder harness straps are shoulder harness straps. Regardless of how many points, they ALL have to be mounted the SAME WAY!

I just showed you that even your precious Corbeau tells you NOT to mount them straight down. And all you wanna cry about is your precious 3-pt system.

And yes.....You have said that you have it mounted straight down to the seats. Now your gonna cry that you don't, yet you do. You've already said so & now your changing your story.

Again....1 simple pic would show the world your not quite the moron we all think you are. Still a moron, just not quite as bad of one.