Just wondering if the member users here would like to see separate LSx and LTx subforums in the Engine Swap forum, or keep things like they are.

I haven't brought this up to the Admins yet, thought I'd see what you all thought first.

 

I like the way it is; separate but equal.

It helps me because obviously any LTx or LSx engine will be an engine swap. Because it's gaining popularity it makes good sense to have it's own area, but linked to something familiar. I think it helps new people who may be searching as well.

I like the separate section for the particulars. Good job on that.

Don't forget the mechanic's golden rule: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

 

I thought the rule said, "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is - then you have an excuse to make it better."

I agree they should be separate from the main Engine Swap forum. It seems to me the main thing that justifies keeping them together in a subforum is what's different about them.

In case I wasn't clear, I was thinking an Engine Swap main forum, then a LTx subforum and another LSx subforum, each under the Engine Swap forum.

 

Here's a simpler quote I saw someplace else; "Naw, it's fine just the way it is"

 

That may just work with my girl. "Something is wrong with it honey..." and then I break it and say it was already broken(I was right, something was wrong with it) and this is how much it is...Yes, a lot of money, but it MUST be replaced.
I'm with you on making subforums for the LTx and LSx engines.

 

I voted to separate the two. But for me, it's not a matter of 'not wanting to mix with those "other" guys', it's that when I'm looking for information, it really helps to have everything "structured", so that I'm not forced to consciously try & determine whether a certain piece of data applies just to LTx engines, or LSx engines.

Creating distinct forums would also allow people to perform more-targeted searches as well.

As far as "mixing", heck, it's all good to me - L98/LTx/L03/LSx... We're ALL third-genners, right??

 

Keeping the LTx/LSx forums together can also provide insight for other aspects of the builds such as transmissions since both share the same type of transmissions, and the swap parts for them are the same plus alot of the wiring is the same on some of the connectors, and like someone asking "where do I hook the speedo output wire" or "where do I splice in the oil pressure wire" is the same for the LSx vs LTx.

 

That's what I meant to say!!

 

There is some stuff that is similar. For instance, I re-routed my engine bay harness and only the LSx guys had pics of relocating the engine pcm and harness to the interior.

But then again it gets annoying when someone posts that they have a specific problem and no one has a clue what kind of engine they have so that person can't get help right away.

I do kind of notice how everyone posts the titles to their threads like this: "I have a LTx power steering problem" or "I have a LS1 fuel pressure problem". We've kind of already divided up the sub-forum.

 

 

I'd say keep them together, it makes solving some weird problems easier, as alot of the computer related issues are very much the same between LTx and LSx setups (depending if you go OBD1 or 2 with the LTx I guess).

Alot of the mechanical 'tech' of the LTx stuff - exhaust, shortblock, valvetrain, etc - is basically the same as regular SBC and TPI stuff, so theres no reason for it to have its own sub-forum when half of the LTx tech is covered in the normal SBC/TPI boards, and the other half is basically the same as what would be covered in the LSx sub-forum.

Just my .02

 

LT1 has different wiring, computer, power steering lines, fuel lines, a/c, water pump, coolant hoses, all front accessories, engine brackets. Yeah, LT1 is similar to TPI but trying to swap a LT1 in is completely different than swapping in a TPI engine. Nobody has even shown pics of a good way to make the f-body LT1 a/c work yet with the thirdgen a/c system.

 

Not to skew the opinions or voting, but here's a little more detail on what I was thinking:

- From what I've been able to gather, there's about as much difference between LTx & LSx as there is between 3rd gen & LTx, or 3rd gen & LSx.

- Good "stickies" should provide any information that is common to both LTx & LSx.

- One good sticky should answer the basic question of the differences, and which you should do.

- Separate subforums would make it easier to find information about the type you have.

As a reminder, the current subforum description doesn't even allow for swap questions: "Putting LT1's, LS1's, and their variants into Third Gens is becoming more popular. This board is for those who have done the swaps so they can continue to discuss all of their technical aspects, including repairs and performance upgrades." {emphasis added} When the subforum was created, I started moving any and all LTx/LSx threads to it, and was told, no, that's not what it's for. Although I still don't agree with that, unless changed, most of the arguments for keeping a single subforum are moot.

 

I know those details are different - I was getting at the engine itself. Most of the LT1 mechanics apply to the generic small blocks as well, like 99% of the shortblock, the cam/valvetrain, the exhaust system, just for starters.

As far as wiring and electronics go, the LT1 is half way between the TPI cars and LSx cars. OBD1 LTx setups are very similar (not the same, similar) to the TPI setup, and OBD2 LTx systems are very similar, as far as swaps go, to LSx systems.

 

I mentioned this to the admins and mods, nobody there objected to the 2-subforum idea.

One thing that did come out of it was a change to the existing subforum description: "Putting LT1's, LS1's, and their variants into Third Gens is becoming more popular. This board is for those who are doing and have done the swaps so they can discuss all of their technical aspects, including repairs and performance upgrades." The change being the bolded words, so looks like we'll be moving all discussions to this subforum.