LT1 no spark
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Car: '91 Z28, '13 Civic EX-L
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LT1 no spark
For those of you who don't know, i swaped in a 94 lt1 into my 91.
The other day i tried for my first start and nothing. I smelled all my spark plugs and they all smelled like fuel, so for right now im not worrying about that. I am not getting any spark. I am not getting any spark at the coil either, i tested this by doing the plug wire trick right from the coil and nothing.
Now i tested everything for power and everything has the proper voltage
I did this opti and spark test http://shbox.com/1/4th_gen_tech2.html#opti_test. and discovered i am not getting any AC voltage when the motor is being cranked. Now i realize this means either i missed something retardedly easy right infront of my face, or that the opti, pcm, or any of the wiring between is bad.
The opti is a brand new ac delco unit. the opti harness is off the original motor, i tested the resistance on all the wires and got 0 ohms on all 4. The wiring harness is brand new from speartech. The pcm is off the original car.
I talked to vince @ trifecta cause he did my tune, and he said his tuner can double as a scaner. I tried to pull the codes from the pcm and it gave me an error message. I tried this 20 times 20 different ways and i always got the same result. However his tune uploaded fine to the pcm.
I need to know if there is a way to test the opti for a pulse in the wiring BEFORE it goes through the PCM and back to the ICM. I cant eliminate the pcm or opti based on the test i ran it could be either one.
Anyone has any advice that would be a great help.
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The other day i tried for my first start and nothing. I smelled all my spark plugs and they all smelled like fuel, so for right now im not worrying about that. I am not getting any spark. I am not getting any spark at the coil either, i tested this by doing the plug wire trick right from the coil and nothing.
Now i tested everything for power and everything has the proper voltage
I did this opti and spark test http://shbox.com/1/4th_gen_tech2.html#opti_test. and discovered i am not getting any AC voltage when the motor is being cranked. Now i realize this means either i missed something retardedly easy right infront of my face, or that the opti, pcm, or any of the wiring between is bad.
The opti is a brand new ac delco unit. the opti harness is off the original motor, i tested the resistance on all the wires and got 0 ohms on all 4. The wiring harness is brand new from speartech. The pcm is off the original car.
I talked to vince @ trifecta cause he did my tune, and he said his tuner can double as a scaner. I tried to pull the codes from the pcm and it gave me an error message. I tried this 20 times 20 different ways and i always got the same result. However his tune uploaded fine to the pcm.
I need to know if there is a way to test the opti for a pulse in the wiring BEFORE it goes through the PCM and back to the ICM. I cant eliminate the pcm or opti based on the test i ran it could be either one.
Anyone has any advice that would be a great help.
Thanks
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Car: 1990 Formula
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Re: LT1 no spark
Have you had the ICM tested? I assume you checked all the ignition grounds. Have you ohmed out the coil? These are things to check if you haven't.
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Re: LT1 no spark
I had the ICM tested. It tested out ok. The pink wire has voltage, everything that should have voltage does, as far as i know.
I was able to retrieve a code today though, code 42, and it said something like ignition circuit grounded.
I was able to retrieve a code today though, code 42, and it said something like ignition circuit grounded.
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Re: LT1 no spark
ground on the head?
All my grounds are on the firewall.
All my grounds are on the firewall.
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Re: LT1 no spark
LT1s have a ground right beside the ignition module to the block. It is a major ignition ground. There is a pic on shoebox's site.
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Re: LT1 no spark
i have an aftermarket harness from speartech, and there was only 1 ground on the harness and it is on the firewall along with all the other grounds and the chasis to block ground.
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Re: LT1 no spark
Have you verified that all of your grounds(black/white stripe) are good grounds? There was also a bad batch of AC Delco optis a while back. You might want to also look into this.
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Re: LT1 no spark
I will verify all my grounds, and the wires between my pcm and icm, and if those are all good i am going to send my pcm to vince @ trifecta to have it tested. I understand these pcms rarley go bad, but ive never witnessed this on a running car and everything else is new..
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I checked all the wires, they were good. I pulled the codes again and it looks like 42 was intermittent. I got the wonderfuly exciting code 16. Brand new opti is no good. that really sucks. Is there ANY reason other than the opti i could get this code? Like faulty plugs wires or anything like that?
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Re: LT1 no spark
The only thing I can think of is a bad connection to the opti. Do you have another opti you can try?
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Transmission: T56, 5spd auto
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.42(as long as no breaky)
Re: LT1 no spark
i got my opti from thepartsladi on ebay and i was informed to just send mine back and he would replace it with a new one. But i found this that might help me narrow it down a bit:
ill let ya know how that turns out
Here's how to test the low res signal from the opti. It's about a 3 minute test using a voltmeter (VM)
1) disconnect the test connector at the manifold.
2) turn ignition on and use a voltmeter to check the voltage on the red/black wire on the PCM (firewall side) side of the connector
3) less than .5 volts - faulty PCM or shorted PCM connection to test connector
4) 4-6 volts - turn off ignition and go to step 6
5) over 6 volts - short to voltage on low res signal circuit from pcm to test connector
6) reconnect test connector and remove connector at opti
7) turn ignition on and probe the red/black wire connector with the VM
8) less than .5 volts - short in harness between test connector and opti connector
9) 4-6 volts - faulty opti connection or faulty opti
10) over 6 volts - short to voltage on low res signal circuit from test connector to opti
1) disconnect the test connector at the manifold.
2) turn ignition on and use a voltmeter to check the voltage on the red/black wire on the PCM (firewall side) side of the connector
3) less than .5 volts - faulty PCM or shorted PCM connection to test connector
4) 4-6 volts - turn off ignition and go to step 6
5) over 6 volts - short to voltage on low res signal circuit from pcm to test connector
6) reconnect test connector and remove connector at opti
7) turn ignition on and probe the red/black wire connector with the VM
8) less than .5 volts - short in harness between test connector and opti connector
9) 4-6 volts - faulty opti connection or faulty opti
10) over 6 volts - short to voltage on low res signal circuit from test connector to opti
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