Well, found these, looks like they are close to the 8012 big block headers that have been made to fit by booboosean in his car, but the LS has some extra room, so i think these might work better, mid length, 1 3/4 primary and 3 inch collector:




http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hedma...Q5fAccessories


Looks good for the automatic guys and the fellas like me that dont wanna spend 800$ on hawks...


Input:

 

These are 300$ and for the 2010 camaro, but i think they wouldnt be much better thna manifolds, 1 3/4 primary but doesnt list the collector, looks like 2.5:

 

Doesn't it tick you off that 4th Gen LS1 headers can't swap in? Damned near everything else from a 4th gen firebird can be swapped in.

What do you think of these? They are for 82-92's but for BBC, Hooker 2226:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HOK-2226HKR/?rtype=10

 

Also was just thinking about fox body ford headers. But no idea if they would work on a thirdgen.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...1-headers.html

 

Fox mustangs can use fox SBF headers because the primary spacing is similar. Weld the LSx flange on and go

SBC guys have a bit more trouble

Im attempting 4th gen MAC mids into a 3rd gen. Ill post pics once I get the LS1 onto the crossmemeber

 

Man, 500+ bucks and then 200$ for a custom header kit to weld to them together makes it 100$ shy of buying hawks....or colser with shipping.

I would like to find a set that might work, but fords usually use puss sized primaries, i want a 1 3/4 at least, most what i see is 1 5/8, i will look into it as i usually dont venture to ford junk.


Yes, let us know how it works!

 

Has anyone ever tried GTO headers?, they look almost identical to the hawks LSX swap headers. These ones are only $250

http://www.byunspeed.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6872

 

Those GTO headers look promising...

 

If GTO headers are anything like their manifolds, it might not be so nice

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conver...asurments.html

Check how far it kicks out on the pass side. We have from right there

 

Once i get the dam thing in the car i will be able to start measuring, but i am a ways off from that, the first ones i posted looke promising though, i know that.

 

Those BBC Headers look close!! New flanges welded on and you got Big tube LS swap headers!!! Even can get them ceramic coated!

 

Do a search on them. The fit like poo, strange for hookers

 

Come on, they are 500$ and the set to make them work is 200$ or so, so you are 100$ shy of Hawks.


Thats hwy i am going to use the Patriot 8013 BBC header, not made for our swap but they fit with minimal mods and should fit better on a SBC LS platform, the 8012 has been used and is a 1 3/4 so i will be using the 1 7/8 8013.


Some fit fine and some fit like crap, very weird.

 

For $100 less and a better header why the hell not? how far off are the port locations anyways? From a BBC-LS1 I mean.

 

Refer to this:


The ports are WAY off but hacking them is an option, the big block head is allot longer than a LS or SBC so there is a big difference.

 

Here is a reference of a 317 casting and a big block chevy casting:

 

these actually look reasonably close to the hawks ones. need measurements though. pacesetters

 

They so look pretty close, makes you wonder.

 

i'm thinking hard about picking up a set to try. 300 is a lot cheaper then 800. waiting on a response from pacesetter tech support to get measurements. i will update here if anything pans out.

 

Awesome, let us know.

 

Where is the biggest clearance issue on the swapped 3rd gens? At the bellhousing, or over the K-member? Would a tubular k-member allow more header options?

Sorry if this is addressed somewhere else. Im doing some information gathering.

 

O2s against the trans, namely the 4L60Es

 

I think he meant using 4th Gen LS1 headers. From what I've been told, fitament is so bad with 4th gen long tube headers that it's impossible to get them into a 3rd gen without major modification. That seems to be why most people either buy hawks, or modify 3rd gen specific headers to weld up to a LS1 flange. I'm certain there is another header that will fit, the question is...which one?

The GTO headers look closer than 4th gen headers, and even some of the truck style long tubes looked halfway decent. I'm betting the majority of them hit the K member on the 3rd gen right where the #2 cylinder pipe goes down on the passenger side.

 

Yes, thats what I meant. If you use a tube k-member, does it open up more options for headers that fit other LS platform cars?

With the 5th gens out now, maybe a set of headers will come along that will work better, or cost less. If it does, maybe it will convince Hawks to lower the price a bit too.

Im working on a cost projection, and parts list for a future swap of my own. I just cant spent $1000 on a set of headers. Ill use manifolds, or something. Maybe have a set of headers made.

 

Yea, the tubular member helps allot, but that is another 500$ that i dont have to spare in that department right now.


4th gen headers sweep back pretty hard unlike the third gens.

 

They also flare out to the sides right where 3rd gens have frame

 

What would most people pay for a set of ls1 3rd gen headers? I have built a few sets of lt1 headers for lt1 swaps, and plan on building a set for my 6 liter ls swap in my s10 this spring. If I could build stainless or mild steel lts for a 3rd gen ls swap do you think people would buy them? Btw they would be tig welded thats what I do for a living.
Kory

 

I think as long as you can get them to come in around 5-600 before coating if they are mild steel (no reason IMO to coat stainless) then you should be able to sell a few sets. Most would want in the 2-300 range for uncoated mild steel but the fact is, that just can't happen.

I would say if you can get them in the 5-600 range, with no smaller than 1 3/4 primaries and 3" collectors (or bigger all around) and have them tuck up just like the hawks headers do then you would have a winner on your hands.

 

Honestly, 450$ or so would sell like crazy i think, even 550.

 

those collectors on the shorties look like a power robber to me, but have a chance at fitting.
steer clear from the hooker big block headers. they willl beed modification out the wazoo to fit, IMO.
a ls and small block head flange is vertical, the big block is layed over a few degrees.
with the headers barely fitting correctly on a bbc, i can see problems when trying to rotate the header some.

ive had a set of gto headers from kooks in my hands, and they appear to be worth a try. i wasnt going to pull all my exhaust to fit, but it looked promising.

tbss headers may be an option as well., but i dont think the collector tucks in enough to clear the frame.
the collector is a good ways away from the shifter linkage. prolly get into the frame unless you mod them.

 

550-600 with our without a y pipe? Does anyone have pics of the hawks headers? Are there any things you guys don't like about them and would want to change?
Thanks,
Kory

 

Without the y-pipe is usually how they sell. And I noticed while searching the other day, if you use hawks AC block and line conversion, you cant use manifolds, you have to use the headers. And Im keeping the AC.

I would be up for a mid length or shortie header, as Im sure some of the automatic guys would be too. Im wanting the 6 speed when I convert mine, but I dont like those expensive headers hanging down there to bottom out on a speed bump. Ive already hit my y-pipe several times around here, and Im extreemly careful.

Im also throwing around the idea of using Dr gas oval tubing. I want a high tucked, almost invisible 4" exhaust, with a (or 2?)catalytic converter. I hate the gurgling popping sound Ive heard from cars without the cat.

 

There's a bunch of good reasons to coat stainless. Personally, I won't run another set of uncoated headers regardless of the material they're made out of.

 

To me I would only use the coating for rust prevention. I don't believe that underhood temps are of great concern like many on here do. I have worked on and driven a car that's had uncoated stainless longtubes for over a year with NO problems what-so-ever. He even has a fiberglass cowl hood with no insulation and there's no paint problems.

I would say that to save money, just do the headers themselves. A y pipe can be and should be made up for the individual car to help with ground clearance. Plus I don't think a y can be made cheaper on a mas produced level than the one I am making for my car. As for improvements over the Hawks, I want to see larger primaries. 1 3/4 are ok but I think the real ticket is 1 7/8.

 

Good info. I will start looking at material prices. I think I could build them for between 550-600, and still make some money.

 

So whats the verdict guys? im workin on my LS swap and i dont wanna drop 800 if theres an alternative lol

 

How soon would you need a set? my car presently has an lt1 in it, but I may have an idea for a mock up car.
Kory

 

Man, sooner the better, i have a friend that is supposed to be building some, i hope he does soon because i am fixing to be buying parts ASAP.

 

well ill be off to basic here at the end of the month if you can get them done before may that would be cool, ill need a price range tho cuz ill have to get them asap my wife will probably be ordering parts for me while im away to cut down on time

 

I'm making a few calls to see if I can get something for mock up. I hope to find out something tommorrow.
Kory

 

Man, I hope you guys are serious. If we can get a basic LT design that will fit most cars, that would rock. I know I could use the hawks 2.5" LT, but with all the work required to fit them in a 4L60E car, the tally comes out to 1500+. A bit steep for me.

Maybe we will get lucky and one of these 4th gen headers will work well.

 

im in for the LS headers lol

 

well i got ancy and sent a letter to BBK yesterday, just got a rely from them;

I forwarded your email to the R&D chief to see if they are interested in
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> I was wondering if you guys would be interested in a new product, alot of
> the members on thirdgen.org and on LS1 tech have been looking for a set
> of headers for an LS swap into third generation f bodies, the only company
> who sells them is Hawks third gen parts, who is retailing headers made by
> stainless works, but we are all looking for an alternative because the
> headers sell for $800 + shipping, that and theyre long tube and have a
> reuputation for bad ground clearance, im sure if you guys did some
> research between thirdgen.org and LS1tech.com youd find a large following
> of people who would be willing to go to you guys rather than hawks, if
> they retailed around the same prie as some of your other headers $200-$400
> range im sure they would fly right off the shelf

so lets hope for the best i suppose lol

 

$2-400 will never happen for swap headers IMO. There's no way that they will be that cheap since there is a VERY limited market for them. I would honestly be happy if they were under 600 myself.

 

I'm working on it. I have an appointment to look at a 6 liter after work tommorrow. If it is as advertised I'll buy it.
Kory

 

The swap headers run right by the fuel, brake, and clutch lines, to say nothing of surrounding the spark plug wire boots. That's reason enough for me to thermal barrier coat headers. Underhood heat is a secondary issue.

"Stainless steel" is a misnomer. "Corrosion resistant steel" is the proper designation. "Resistant" does not equal "proof". "Stainless steel" will rust, to say nothing of discoloration. The main advantage of the material is higher strength at high temp, but the thermal barrier coating inside pretty much negates that issue (regardless of material, headers should be coated inside and out). Turbo or other high output applications should be "stainless" and coated inside & out.

Personally, I won't run another set of uncoated headers regardless of the material they're made out of.

 

I have the Hawks (stainless works) 1.75 inch longtubes (2.5" collectors) on my car and they fit perfectly with the 4L60E, O2s and everything. The issues surrounding these headers were created by the chinese knockoff 1 5/8" headers with 3" collectors (the ones from the $599 group purchase.) I tried two sets of the knockoffs and they didn't fit. The next set I got were the SW ones and they fit great...frustrating to say the least.

I guess you get what you pay for.

 

Well you can look at it one of two ways, yours, or the idea that yes there is a limited market however if you sell a large number of units at a lower price you would come out on top, as far as the books go, who knows maybe theyll charge just as much as hawks, maybe not who the hell knows but personally i like BBK and i wish theyd release more products for our cars, including the headers, plus if they release the swap headers at a good price and someone is working on a swap, wouldnt that customer logicly go to BBK for their other parts? Such as a new throttle body or intake? Its just another way for them to open up new avenues for potential customers, plus again like i said i like BBK so i guess im biased

 

I just wish they would offer a painted mild steel version somewhere for guys like me that dont give a second thought to coated and stainless. Cheap hot rodding is where i am at.

 

The BBK parts I have dealt with in the past have been top quality. I would love for them to release some more stuff. Its just that in the past the parts they have released haven't been much of an improvement over stock or modified stock parts. Like their throttle bodies are good parts but the same performance can be had for much cheaper with a ported stock piece. Same with their intake manifolds. Decent stuff but much better can be had.

Back on topic, I really do hope that they release something. More products means better products IMO.