hasty88-and-89

i have a friend who has a 93 z28 camaro fresh car accident he said the only thing bent is the front end of the frame i offered him a 1000 he said ya i just want to know wold this be a good buy even if i were planning an ltx swap i could probly get him to about 800 hopefully 500 he has an automatic everything is intact i want the lt1 to be a manual transmission would it be easy to find someone to trade a auto trans for a manual or are they equal in value?

84redta

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Used automatic is worth about $100-200, depending on miles/condition (rebuilt or not), might be a little more. I sold my freshly rebuilt for $650 plus shipping with a few other little parts. A manual transmission will be anywhere from $1000 on the cheap side for a swap to upwards of $1500 or more, again depending on condition of clutch parts or any rebuild that may have been done.

As far as $1000 or less for the car, that isn't bad at all. You'll be able to get everything you possibly could need to get you're car all together.

hasty88-and-89

dam i was hoping the auto would be expensive i might buy the car but i have 4 camaros in the driveway full house was it worth all the working switching for you and how much would a shop generally charge install a new motor with new transmission and wiring harness etc. AND WOULD NOT HAVE TRANSMISSION TO GET CAR TOGETHER HIS CAR COMES WITH THE STOCK AUTOMATIC MY CAR IS THE ,M5 IS there anyway i could get my stock manual tansmission to work with the lt1?

84redta

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Yea, automatics filled at least 75% of the cars, you see with the value of production was towards manuals. It was well worth it, i bought just a motor and tranny swap for $900, same as you, 93 with the 93 upgraded 4l60 from previous years, and took it all apart and found out it was rebuilt just a year prior. Sold the 4l60, harness, computer, and manifolds for $750, meaning I only had $150 in the motor. Took the savings, went and spent $1200 on T56 swap setup, and totally rebuilt the motor with gaskets, seals, timing chain, and oil pump. Probably have a little over $2000 in the swap just doing it all myself, but it was well worth it. Parts are plentiful, if it isn't a small block part to begin with, LT1s are plentiful and cheap to find. To prove that, what I did was go and purchace another complete LT1 with 94 harness and pcm, and got all that for $250. I ended up using the harness and pcm for my car and got the motor on the stand ready for full bore and build. 94 pcm is the sweet spot to these motors, with the programmable pcm being so rediculously cheap, it makes it worth it. There are plenty of benefits to an LS1, but LT1 is fun. I'm actually about to with the LTCC multi coil setup, which uses 8 LS1 coils to spark the plugs. Very nice and very reliable system, you look for other system problems and you find them, you look online for problems with this system and I just can't find any.

As far as the manual transmission, go get a new flywheel specific for the LT1, of which you would have to anyways with the T56 swap, and then use your T5 clutch and all accessories and hook your T5 up if you want. You can get away with the T5, many have, you just CANNOT beat on it at all what so ever. As far as the swap, you'll need flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, hydraulics, and tranny with mount. You will need to purchase a new pilot bearing. If you want piece of mind if you are going to use the used clutch, get a new throwout bearing. The clutch I got used was good, but the throwout bearing is whining like crazy at times. Also you will need to either build a custom or premade tranny mount. I made my own.

Overall I love the swap, I enjoy the work I put into it, and everything is pullable and movable to any other car if I need to. My harness is plug and play, so there was no headache in splicing, it's all good. I can take everything I have and drop it in another 87/88 car in a day. Wish you were up in NY, I'd help you with it.

hasty88-and-89

so your saying go for it cause there is plenty of parts out there for this swap and for flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, hydraulics, and tranny with mount. is that just things i am going to need FOR THE SWAP (lt1 and t56)/////or is that JUST so i can use the t5 transmission.. and if so is that ALLLL im going to need?

84redta

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That list is all you will need to do a t56 swap from an automatic setup your getting out of the 93. For the t5 setup, all you need is the LT1 flywheel and you can keep all your existing clutch parts all the way to the tranny mount.

As far as LT1 swap, you need a/c lines if you are relocating, because any fbody or bbody accesory brackets will leave the a/c pump in the way of the mounts. Otherwise you can just get away with an a/c delete pulley.

Also you will need power steering stuff, from a bbody high pressure side, and possible hose and clamps for low pressure.

As far as mounts, use the existing clam shells on the body, and use from your old engine the two metal mounts on the engine block on the LT1, the holes in the LT1 are already there to bolt on.

You'll have to mount the power steering reseviour somewhere on the body.

As far as heater core and water pump hook ups, I used the 4th gen heater core hose assembly to make it simple, and if you do exactly that, you can jump to the throttle body bypass by rubber capping the hose on the heater core assembly hose assembly and a 95 upper hose i think, or lower, one or the other. It's the one from the water pump to radiator, NOT thermostat to radiator.

I used a 4th gen radiator to make it rediculously easy for all my hookups, along with the LT1 fans. You probably can use the fans but if it was smashed in the front, the radiator is probably wasted. I think I spent $125 or $150 on a new radiator so just a thought.

The rest is wiring and working the LT1 harness into your existing harness.

hasty88-and-89

i have never rebuilt changed done nothing crazy on a car im thinking i should not try to perform an lt1 swap bymyself any idea how much a shop would charge

84redta

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Before this, I had never rebuilt anything other than a front differential. I took this down to block/crank/rods/cam and regasketed everything and checked clearances and cylinder condition before spending the extensive time putting it all in. Anyways, not a clue on the cost, probably about $1500-3000. I honestly have no idea. LT1 would be easier only because you can upgrade to a plug and play pcm, the truck 350 tbi would still be low on HP, and high on TQ, and with 94 LT1 harness and PCM, you can retune the computer yourself, even if it's just to get it running by shutting off VATS, later on, itll be easier for you to pay someone to make a tune for you and you can go out to the garage and upload it in 5 minutes. If you use the '93 pcm and harness, it'll be just as much work using a TBI truck 350 because you'll need chips burned. The LT1 will have more HP so doing the '93 car isn't gonna be bad. Might as well get more HP with the LT1 than a truck 350, plus you get the aluminum heads with the fbody engine. Your choice really.

hasty88-and-89

I THINK IM GOING TO DO THE LT1 COULD I HOOK UP MY T5 JUST TO DRIVE AROUND AND THEN SWITCH OUT THE TRANNY LATER FOR A T56 OR SHOULD I DO IT ALL IN ON E( MY PROBLEM IS BUDGET THOUGH) dam sorry for the caps

84redta

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if your transmission is not already beat, you should be able to get some time out of the t5, but put it this way, you can make $500+ for a decent WORKING t5 swap kit, of which you can sell and spend towards the t56. I had the budget to go ahead and do it in advance, but that is my plans to sell my t5 swap parts.

hasty88-and-89

does the88 rs coupe 2.8 have a t5 in it 2
how hard is it to remove a transmission from an engine? like if i pull the engine out the 93 camaro
also how much better is the ls1 than the lt1 is it worth it

84redta

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a v6 T5 will not work for what youre trying to do. If the v8 T5 will barely last behind a 300+ TQ LT1/350, the v6 will barely let you make it out the driveway.

Removing the engine and transmission can be done through the top, but easiest is to disconnect suspension/brakes, and drop the kmember with the engine/tranny. I think you will just need to disconnect brake lines, upper strut mounts, and I may be missing something, but disconnect the a/c and AIR since that's body mounted in 93, and you should be square on dropping it. I belive I've seen many engine hoist the body up and roll the setup out on it's front wheels.

if you are worried about your budget now on the LT1, the LS1 is more of an initial cost by over $1000. Great motor comes with great costs. Custom motor mounts, custom exhaust, custom trans xmember, the list can continue for a lil while lol.

hasty88-and-89

OH SO THE LS1 DOESENT EVEN FIT I would HAVE TO DO NEW MOTOR mounts,
the lt1 will fit to my lo3 motor mounts right on?
and do you mean raise the car and literally DROP the engine and tranny
and that also helped thanks but ym original question was iIS IT HARD to swap the auto tranny off the lt1 and the t56 manual onto it
i more of need to know how hard it is to take a transmission off of the engine cause they are connected right??

84redta

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The torque converter needs to be disconnected first. After you remove the starter and the protective shield, you will see inbetween the transmission and engine an oval balloon thing inside along with a plate with teeth. Disconnect the torque converter from the flexplate by removing the three bolts holding them together. You will have to spin the motor by hand to get to all of the bolts, a flat head screw driver is your friend. After that, remove the transmission by removing the connecting 5-6 bolts connecting the transmission to the engine on what is called the bell housing. After those 7-8 bolts are removed, it's pretty much a take one off, put the manual tranny on kinda thing.

My first recommendation is get a book online or in a book store that will cover the procedure to swapping engines and/or transmissions. Read up on it. It is a bit of work, but it's relatively simple once broken down into steps.

As far as taking the '93 apart, you will want to find a way to hold the front end while you disconnect the front subframe from the body, and then hoist the body up in the air, while rolling the entire front end as one piece on it's front wheels out of the way, and then lower the body. From there, getting to everything is really simple to disconnect. If you feel more comfortable with this mannor, you can do the same with your 3rd gen. Go to a 4th gen website and look up how exactly they do it, because I have never personally done it in a 4th gen, but I know many on the website I gave you will be willing to help you out and give you step by step instructions on how to do it correctly and safely. And yes, I mean LOWER the engine and transmission from the bottom with the frame still attatched to the engine, but seperated from the body.

Also as far as costs go, don't forget you can sell off parts of the 93, along with junk the body for money, so you probably can make $300-$500 at least back there.

The motor mounts that are on the LT1 itself will not work in our third gens. You will need to take the metal brackets off of your LO3, and mount them on the sides of the LT1. From there, you can just drop the LT1 right in, no sweat.

Once the automatic off, you can install the pilot bearing using the correct bearing punch tool, then mount up the LT1 flywheel using the tightening order for that to the correct torque specs. Next hold the clutch up with an alignment tool (comes new with clutch kit or buy seperate), then throw pressure plate on, find the procedure on the tightening order of the pressure plate along with the torque on that. Mount the bell housing to the engine block, then slide the transmission in, bolt up the tranny to the bell housing, and you're done. Again, it's rather simple once you break it down into steps on paper, in real life it kinda hard with bloody knuckles and swearing. It gets easier once you've done it or seen it done a few times.

cprmn14

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www.ls1lt1.com

i just got an LT1 also, and they is alot of information on there. Plus ive seen discussions on swapping from the bottom.

Congrats on your LT1, be ready for an adventure!