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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 12:36 AM
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Lifting VS. Lowering

i have an 84 sc that has been lifted in the back with tall tires, and air shocks, im just wondering what you all think of this... also wondering what everyone thinks about Lifting vs. Lowering, on what you think... just chime in to tell me what you think...
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 01:01 AM
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LOWER IT PLEASE
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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Those are some tall tires in the rear! I'd change to lower profile tires in the rear at least. Then you can lose the air shocks.

It all depends on what the "in" thing is, and right now the popular thing to do is lower all 4 corners. Good for handling too.

There were times jacking up the front end was the "in" thing - then it turned to jacking up the rear.....

I was always a fan of lifting up all 4 corners myself, but not on these cars. That looks better on old Chevelles and Malibus.

But you're building the car for YOU, not for anyone else. To each his/her own.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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i know the "in" thing is lowering them as low as possable... but i have never and will never be one of those people that follows the crowd... its alot more impressive in person[/IMG]
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 10:34 AM
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another pic of it lifted
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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I think the tires need to be wider in the rear. Not a big fan of air shocks either. Those cars ride hard anyway.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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it rides softer now with the air than it did without, and those tires are 10" wide already... i had a set of n50 mt but they stuck out and the cops gave me crap about it
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:23 AM
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Using the air shocks to lift your car will cause a problem eventually. If you look at where the top of the shock connects to the car you will see that is only sheet metal, the shocks may poke thru it. It happens on rusty cars with normal shocks. If your serious about lifting it get taller springs or put spacers in.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 12:04 PM
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i know that the shocks can poke threw on rusty cars, but my car has absolutly no rust, and thats the original paint... also i have heavy duty springs with spacers already... so theres no reason that i will ever have a problem with the springs going threw
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Originally posted by 84327power
i know the "in" thing is lowering them as low as possable... but i have never and will never be one of those people that follows the crowd... its alot more impressive in person[/IMG]
But you're building the car for YOU, not for anyone else. To each his/her own.
Pretty much sums it up.

My car isn't lowered either. I like my ground effects too much!

As far as jacking up the rear of the car goes, I've been there and done that with a 72 Charger I used to own. Had the air shocks and L60-14's on back, with E78-14's on the front.

Car couldn't handle worth a dam though, it had a lot of body roll on the turns. Luckily. the rear tires still fit under the quarter panels though or else they would have been gouged up.

I've never been a fan of tires sticking out the sides of the quarter panels, but as I said above...to each his own. Besides - you asked what everyone thought!

Looks like you got a nice 84 SC though!
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this is the thing... if it had ground effects it wouldnt be raised... wait about a week... im putting sidepipes on it... and a new front clip... so other than the assend it wont be that high... yes i know these cars are made for handling not for crawling over cars... but you would be surprised how it handles... much better than it did before, my tires arnt magical but they do hook up very nice... and i dont know the speedo didnt change... but it was checked with 3 different vehicles, 1 being a state trooper, all were dead nuts on... to each his own right... well this is what i like... i understand that it looks weird, or stupid, or hidiouse... but look at it this way... its different... my car is like no others, (or few others) and more or less that is what i was going for...
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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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please put the back end of that car down... i don't want to sound mean, but that just screams mvllet mobile. I've always been a fan of stock hieght or just a hair lower. Jacked up *** ends were ok with the older more boxy go in a straight line cars, but on a curved more modern car it looks BAD

I even have days where i dont like my 86 since the back end of it sits an inch or 2 higher due to the weld skinnies and bfgs out back

edit... didn't know m-u-llet was a bad word on here

edit again....are those truck tires in back?

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 07:03 PM
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at least people are more respectful to this post on this thread.....I'd lower it or keep it stock....but w/o gfx lowering it would look weird IMO
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 07:31 PM
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Re: Lifting VS. Lowering

Originally posted by 84327power

1. i have an 84 sc that has been lifted in the back with tall tires, and air shocks

2. im just wondering what you all think of this...

3. also wondering what everyone thinks about Lifting vs. Lowering, on what you think...

4. it rides softer now with the air than it did without

5. and those tires are 10" wide already...

6. i had a set of n50 mt but they stuck out and the cops gave me crap about it

7. i know that the shocks can poke threw on rusty cars

8. but my car has absolutly no rust, and thats the original paint...

9. also i have heavy duty springs with spacers already... so theres no reason that i will ever have a problem with the springs going threw

10. im putting sidepipes on it...

11. you would be surprised how it handles... much better than it did before

12. my tires arnt magical but they do hook up very nice...

13. and i dont know the speedo didnt change... but it was checked with 3 different vehicles, 1 being a state trooper, all were dead nuts on...

14. i understand that it looks weird, or stupid, or hidiouse... but look at it this way... its different... my car is like no others, (or few others) and more or less that is what i was going for...

1. yes you do and might i say yuck...

2. umm see answer to number 1

3. i think that this generation shouldnt be raped like that they dont belong being raised in the rear like its a 70's camaro man cmon

4. air shocks can ride very nice if you dont inflate them to accomodate tires like that ...i know ive owned quite a few older 60's and 70's muscle cars with the hole rake look like you have going on and did it with air shocks on a couple of them and they DO NOT ride better with them than without ...they do however knock about every filing out of your mouth if you have them jacked up like that ...

5. very doubtfull but the rims are also the wrong back spacing completely

6. did they tell you it looked like crap too

7. yes and non rusty cars too it weakens the metal by beating the crap out of it on a daily basis when you have them jacked up that high

8. then why ruin it like this???

9. you have heavy duty springs??
whats the part number on those ??
i doubt you will ever have a problem with the springs going thru the trunk anyway not that ive ever seen but the shocks are a whole other story...

10. why oh why ? its gonna look like a M U L L E T mobile completely

11. no way i can definatly say it wouldnt handle better this way thats impossible

12. hook up to what the studs on the car .?? because when you transfer the weight of the car forward the rear of the car will not have near as much weight over the axle and thus concludes less traction ....

13. what did the cop do clock you or something or did you just follow a cop down the road one day ?

14. your right it is weird, stupid, and or hidiouse ....hey you said it not me .....and your right it is like noone elses or few others because there arent but maybe three of you guys out there that think this is cool ......



finally lower that thing back to where it belongs run some true duals on it ,tint the windows ,buy some cool rims with wide tires all the way around ,paint it a cool color run some different graphics or a cool hood ,that would make it stand out and people would actually look at it and say wow did you see that camaro it looked really good .....

instead they are all looking at your camaro and saying :
wow did you see that camaro i cant believe someone would do that to a nice car.....

REMEBER YOU ASKED !!!!!

oh and why did you put it in the midwest region ?....thanks now everyone around the world thinks we all drive cars like this in the midwest......

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 07:41 PM
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Hey look!! Its Joe Dirt's Car!!!!

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I was going to leave it at that, but I just can't. I would be embarrassed to drive anywhere in that, much as admit that I even know you. This is hideous. Put it back the way it belongs, it cant possibly hook up good, or have any benefits. It looks like ***.

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 08:09 PM
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I thought this forum was about the cars and not snobbery.

For Pete's sake... if he likes the car, WTF are we to say otherwise? I'm pretty sure that is a one-in-a-million car (none like it).

Me? I'd rather talk about that motor. What are the specs?
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I thought this forum was about the cars and not snobbery.

For Pete's sake... if he likes the car, WTF are we to say otherwise? I'm pretty sure that is a one-in-a-million car (none like it).

Me? I'd rather talk about that motor. What are the specs?
he asked what we thought of it well actually his exact words are :

"im just wondering what you all think of this... "

i mearly responded to his question ........
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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I agree with the general, he asked for opinions and he got them. I am guessing he will keep getting them as long as this thread is going. I thought I just saw one of these threads a while back, but I cant seem to find it. It looks like crap, plain and simple. Its a perfect version of a stereotype. Looks like it belongs on beaterz.com

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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well i wasnt going to say anything but i already sent it in to them ........

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well i wasnt going to say anything but i already sent it in to them ........
C'mon guys, lighten up! So what - he has it jacked up in the back. Maybe he likes it that way. You can interject all you want and give your opinions - that's cool.

No need to outright bash him. My teeth rattled when I had air shocks, but doing what you want with your car is whar makes it unique - and part of the hobby. If it wasn't a hobby, we'd all be driving a F*rd Taurus, and not worrying about speed, power looks or handling!! lol

It doesn't always have to be the "Status Quo"....
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C'mon guys, lighten up! So what - he has it jacked up in the back. Maybe he likes it that way. You can interject all you want and give your opinions - that's cool.

No need to outright bash him. My teeth rattled when I had air shocks, but doing what you want with your car is whar makes it unique - and part of the hobby. If it wasn't a hobby, we'd all be driving a F*rd Taurus, and not worrying about speed, power looks or handling!! lol

It doesn't always have to be the "Status Quo"....
couldnt agree more about it being unique ....thats for sure its unique alright ...lol

but damn these cars just dont look good like that

if hes going for the trashy look he got it right on the nose then and thats what he wants so why does he keep asking what everyone thinks of it ?????

if he doesnt want peoples opinions then dont ask ..

i dont believe everyones cars should look the same either i believe in makeing your car personal and different from the next guys totally and completely

but to jack it up with air shocks and tell us it rides better that way is not to mention putting what looks like the same tires i have on my gmc pickup on the back of it .......

its not cool its just wrong.....thats my opinion
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 11:08 PM
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No one is bashing HIM, just his car. He asked for opinions, and thats all that were given, very strong ones though. Cars like his, with the *** end jacked up and a set of sidepipes are just what gives the thirdgen its stereotype: Trailer trash car. Like I said, it looks like something Joe Dirt would drive.
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 11:44 PM
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I have always liked the Rake look... Its very easy to do it right so that it looks badass... IMHO the lowering looks stupid. Ground clearance is already and issue at stock hight. Are you running a 4th gen rear? But anyway, those tires in the rear do make it look goofy.

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 11:49 PM
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The raked look just doesnt suit these cars, especially not when one puts truck tires on the back. Mine is a little raked right now, and i am going to change it, ASAP. I still stand by it, though, that car looks horrid.
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but yours is because of going from a v6 to a v8 not to mention worn springs on the front ....

alot different than hiking it up 6-10 inches in the rear...LOL.....yours sits about 2 inches lower in the front than stock and stock in the rear
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 11:53 PM
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This is true, it still bugs me though, cause I have an afro, not a "business in front, party in back" cut.
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This is true, it still bugs me though, cause I have an afro, not a "business in front, party in back" cut.
this is true and the worst part is were white and you got a fro.....
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 01:59 AM
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 02:06 AM
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hey, i like my car like that... and those are not truck tires, there a sport tire for cars... ps i had a fro it was fun... and i love to drive my car, it gets alot of attention... and i have never met anyone in person that didnt like it... you have to see it in person to really say anything... the picture does it no justice
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wow there are two that like it ...LOL

he asked what we thought of it so i guess he wants to know ....
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If it wasn't a hobby, we'd all be driving a F*rd Taurus, and not worrying about speed, power looks or handling!! lol
My daily driver is a Ford Taurus SHO. I took it to the track two weeks ago, just to see what it could do. I was pleased that it broke into the 14.90's @ 98 MPH. Be warned, not all Taurus' are slow.
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My daily driver is a Ford Taurus SHO. I took it to the track two weeks ago, just to see what it could do. I was pleased that it broke into the 14.90's @ 98 MPH. Be warned, not all Taurus' are slow.
Allright then - SHO's excluded....I meant to say Geo Metro, OK?!?

EDIT: Or is there a supercharged version of those running around too?
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 07:41 AM
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you guys are funny... this is a hobby for me... and yet this car is my everday driver, im not racing it everyday so the traction problem (isnt much of a problem) isnt there... im also not driving 100 on curvy corners (i can but theres no point)... when i do get into races its tractions not a big deal since there are not alot of cars around that hold there own against me... but serouse races i lower the shocks as low as possable for the hole shot... plus gives me lots of attention from the ladies so thats good.

i have seen a supercharged Metro btw
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Originally posted by 84327power
you guys are funny... this is a hobby for me... and yet this car is my everday driver, im not racing it everyday so the traction problem (isnt much of a problem) isnt there... im also not driving 100 on curvy corners (i can but theres no point)... when i do get into races its tractions not a big deal since there are not alot of cars around that hold there own against me... but serouse races i lower the shocks as low as possable for the hole shot... plus gives me lots of attention from the ladies so thats good.

i have seen a supercharged Metro btw
glad its a hobby thats what fun cars are supposed to be like ....but if you can lower the air shocks to race then why not lower them all the time and give your car a better stance than looking like a cat in heat with its butt up in the air begging for it ????


a supercharged metro is kinda like having a moped on nitros sure it would look neat but why????????????





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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:13 AM
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the reason that i dont lower it all the time is for tire rub... dont wanna rip them to crap... with them down... the little bit of body roll i get will cut them up... so i just lower them down if im going in a straight line... like i said i like that stance, to me its what a sports car should look like... the lowered cars look like spick cars (sarry to all you mexicans dont mean to make fun)

i would like to see a spre with nitrus
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by 84327power
like i said i like that stance, to me its what a sports car should look like... the lowered cars look like spick cars (sarry to all you mexicans dont mean to make fun)

sports cars are supposed to be low slung and tight cornering your going for more of a rake look from the looks of it ...have you drivin it in the snow like this yet???

i bet you wont either the traction will not be there at all have had quite a few cars like this when i was young of course they were 60's and 70's muscle cars and it was in the 80's ....LOL....and when your in the snow it wont get any traction at all ......

and you say a lowered car looks like a "spick car" i think everyone here has said that your car looks like a M U L L E T mobile....LOL.....to each his own you dont like it when folks make fun of yours so dont poke fun at others...

its like the old saying goes
those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks ..........

or walk around in their underware for that matter....LOL
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:29 AM
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you are right, i appologize for the spick remark... i dont mean to make fun, and i did get quite pissed when people called me a hick... so i ask for forgiveness... and no i havnt driving in the snow like that, my car has only seen snow once... and the only reason that was to pull my brothers truck in my garage to work on it... theres no way that i could drive in the snow... i sat in my drive way in gear when i took my foot off the brake and started to pull it in it slid all over the place, and that was when it was still low with decent tires... its like a pig on ice... plus i dont want it to rust. so no snow... no ice... i drive my sh it box in the winter
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:43 AM
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[Bplus i dont want it to rust. so no snow... no ice... i drive my sh it box in the winter [/B]
oh my what does the sh it box look like ???...LMAO....
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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93 ford escort wagon, need i say more?
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 10:36 AM
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93 ford escort wagon, need i say more?
OUCH!! .....im sorry ...LMAO


do you have it on a 4x4 frame ??
LOL
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:09 AM
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You should raise up the back end of that wagon and put some big tires on it
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:10 AM
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You should raise up the back end of that wagon and put some big tires on it
no its front wheel drive...jack up the front and put 4x4 tires on it...LMAO
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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did you ever lower that thing down ...LOL

j/k
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:19 PM
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it doesnt need to be lowered, its got 13" wheels with vertually lowpro tires, its a pile believe me... and you kinda see it on the picture of the back view of my camaro... but no it hasnt been lowered or lifted...
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:24 PM
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it doesnt need to be lowered, its got 13" wheels with vertually lowpro tires, its a pile believe me... and you kinda see it on the picture of the back view of my camaro... but no it hasnt been lowered or lifted...
no i was talking about your camaro has it been lowered yet...LOL..j/k...

i see the turd your talking about in the pic...to the right of the camaro??
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:26 PM
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no the camaro is still in the air... just the way i like it... and yeah, the turd is a good name for that stw
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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hey we all need a good turd to drive in the winter right ?.....LOL
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Old Oct 2, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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yep... it was cheep and gets good gas milege... so works out... but i really hate driving that ford pile
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yep... it was cheep and gets good gas milege... so works out... but i really hate driving that ford pile
Thats what I said about my thirdgen for 4 1/2 years, well with chevy submitted for ford. I always will like my ford, but I do love the cheap go fast parts I can put on my chevy.
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