Last night my friend took me for a ride in his 2000 Celica with the VVLT-I engine in it... the car is entirely stock, cost $4000 less than my Iroc did in 1988, and was the fastest and best handling car I have ever ridden in.

The acceleration was amazing, and once you hit 6-9k rpm, the engine's 2nd set of cams kicked in and you got what is called lift... it felt like a shot of NOS or something! We peaked at about 135 with 0 vibrations. You would swear you were going 35.

The brakes were equally amazing, 110mph-0 so fast that my face felt like it was being pulled off, and no squealing or loss of control.

We took one of those off ramps that are a corner till you are going across the highway you were just on doing 80mph, and only once did the car feel like it was at it's max before the loss of control.

My car has torque, but this was much faster! I could never see a third gen stopping that fast or well, or ever handling like this car did!

This was all near the 495 Lowell Connector, not the best roads might I add

My main reason for this post is, I now want a Celica... really really bad. It doesn't help that I just put $2300 into my Iroc, and it is dead again in the driveway with a heat soaked starter (exhaust leaks)

Please help a fellow 3rd genner remember why I have the car I do!!

 

WOW!!!!!!! That must be the fastest celica around! I say race him and you'll see how fast it really is.

 

The GTS is the 180hp 6 speed model, it is the fastest Celica that has been prodced, except for the turbo ones.

But still, it was stock!

I mean, I have almost $7000 in receipts for my car, and it isn't nearly as fast as his car....

 

I cant change the way you feel about a car. Its not uncommon for people to leave the american side for the import side. Build quality is probably #1 reason. Well do what you want. Get the celica I guess. If you want to keep your car, keep it but if there is something better you want, get it.

 

no offense, but your obviously doing something wrong then

 

wow I didnt even see the 7k remark... yeah dude... 7k and you not as fast as some car that makes 80% of its power above 6grand? Must be stuff to keep the car maintained... I hope not 7k in mods..

 

i bought my IROC for $6,000.......i can assure you it's much faster than that Toyota Celica........but as it has been said before.....do what makes you happy

 

edit: Whoops forgot my posi lol

Well, here is the breakdown of the $7k:
No shipping included!

$2200 - Purchase price
$1000 - AAMCO clutch $ tranny work
$2300 - Local mechanic replaced entire fuel system + clutch AGAIN!
$260 - Centerforce clutch/disc/throwout bearing
$400 - Ebay for the Daytona hood... never got it.
$439 - Eaton 3:08 posi
$50 - Flywheel machined
$48 - Fans wired to switch
$218 - Custom 3" Y-pipe and 3" exhaust
$75 - Flowmaster 40 series Delta Flow
$165 - Hotchkis strut tower brace
$200 - Stage II ECM
$150 - Sub frame connectors
$75 - Hotchkis panhard rod
$60 - Energy suspention tranny mount, torque arm mount, etc.
$200 - Used 88 Iroc 16" wheels
$20 - Used rear louvers
$80 - Used Iroc hood with no rust/dents
$20 - Used hatch with no rust/dents
$200 - 91 RS full power doors with no rust/dents
$200 - 91 RS ground effects with some cracks
$560 - Tires
$40 - TPIS air foil
$20 - TPIS billet throttle body plate
$140 - Mini starter
$40 - Accel cap + rotor
$50 - Taylor 8.8 wires
$48 - Bosch 4+ Platinum plugs
$50 - Accel super coil
$80 - Sunpro Draggin Tach
$110 - 145mph "Z28" speedo
$20 - Used Grant streering wheel
$12 - Throttle body bypass (only to find out it's a piece of pipe )
$60 - Blue headlight conversion
$90 - Bulbs for the headlight conversion that didn't suck
$60 - New sealed beam bulbs after the conversion melted
$80 - Painless headlight harness
$14 - Power window switches
$60 - Power mirrors
$10 - Power lock switches
$80 - Milodon high flow water pump
$100 - Used 4 core aluminum radiator
$40 - Used 14" rims for racing 6" front ~14" rear (still can't find tires lol)

I'm sure as soon as I post this I will remember more.

That's $10124, and that is just the stuff I have receipts for!!!! This also doesn't include any of my sound system.

That is rediculous; I never added it all up really, I can't believe that I have spent that much in a year and 2 months.

Yet still the car is dead due to a dead starter that I haven't got put in due to the huge exhaust leak that killed my last one. Then the IAC is bad... so my idle is horrible; doesn't make it easy to drive without a starter

 

Oh yah, $60 for GM repro centercaps on ebay


...$10184

 

Right........lets spend $10,000 on mostly maintinence, and apperance stuff. What you have spent on performance parts is really nowhere NEAR $7000.

$2200 - Purchase price
$218 - Custom 3" Y-pipe and 3" exhaust
$75 - Flowmaster 40 series Delta Flow
$439 - Eaton 3:08 posi
$165 - Hotchkis strut tower brace
$200 - Stage II ECM
$150 - Sub frame connectors
$75 - Hotchkis panhard rod
$560 - Tires
$40 - TPIS air foil
$40 - Accel cap + rotor
$50 - Taylor 8.8 wires
$48 - Bosch 4+ Platinum plugs
$50 - Accel super coil
$80 - Milodon high flow water pump
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Total, you've spent $4390 towards performance, including the cost of the car.

I don't know what you really wanted out of your car. But maybe you needed to buy all that stuff. However, it was your choice to buy the blue lights, etc....apperance stuff. And if the tranny is dead again I'd be going back to AAMCO and making them PAY to fix the tranny....AGAIN....

 

your car should be a low 14 second car all day, your first problem is your doing to many stupid things, 91GFX??? i mean cmon this is an ir5oc, not come berlinetta, why are you buyinf iroc wheels for an iroc n e way? custom hoods and blue light conversions definetly set you bcak un needed, not saying all of these things arent cool but dont scratch your head and wonder why you are into it moer than your buddy is into his celica, stop with the dumb stuff and learn to do things your self, also you must not be that easy on the car to go through 2 or 3 clutches and to have them all done by somebody else is insane, its not to ahrd to read a chiltons man c mon, also i dont forsee how a TPI 5 spd iroc is slower by a considerable amount than a celica, your car as is shopuld be a low 14s car i dont forsee a non turbo celica running better than mid 15s, BTW a 2001 celica GTS 6 spd gogt destroyed by my 85 LB9 trans am on more than one occasion just my 2 cents

 

If you give me $10,000 i will put my into the 10s with handling like its on a friggin rail... handling that will make you sh*t your pants... im sorry if im a little pist but seriously... you want to drive around in some fart can? ... you have spent you money in the wrong places and im not gonna go telling you where you spent it wrong... EX:appearance crap ... and you got jacked the f up on some of that work done to your car... also you cannot compare the ride quality of a car from 2000 to our cars... if your going to compare it to anything compare it to a 2000 trans am or z28... and those cars will stick it to a celica in reverse... and dude if your gonna complain about your car then dont do it here because... WE LOVE FBODS and that why we own them... we dont gawk over why someone elses car is better... we say oh crap looks like i need to buy a new cam/heads/tq converter/shift kit/ gears for my rear or weight reduction... i dont really have a point and needed to vent but i think i made a couple valid points somewhere along this... PEACE

 

take a deeeeep breath... hold it for 10 seconds... release... grab a welder and weld me up a cutout.

 

hahahaha dude if you really want one.... it could be made possible

 

actualy, i just read this article that even if you have the cut out closed, its illegal in NJ now... no matter what. Saw it on LS1.com and thoes guys are FREAKS about cut outs. Most of them are crappin themselves. If they see the cutout durring inspection, your f'ed.

 

yeah i talked to this guy from the inspection station he said that but seriously... tell me you dont cheat your way out of inspection anyway...

 

If it is that big of a problem with inspection, just make it removeable. Weld on another peice with the three wingnuts, then take it all of when you want. have a peice of straight pipe the same size as the cutout peice to put in it's place. Just swap it for inspection, then you can have the cutouts on there the rest of the time. Just as easy as taking off a cutout, but it does require a little more work to set everything up... once that is done, you are good to go.

Or just have a buddy pass you through inspection, whatever works.

 

not worth it. all that time and agravation to put all the eletric cut out... id rather just register my car with my uncle in penn.

 

:haha:

i 'm glad i don't have to worry bout inspections.... yet.

 

BAH! DIE.. i mean.. hey rob, wana be my brother and put my car on your plan?

 

I know a lot of that was repairs/and tune up stuff, and I also know I didn't need that appearance stuff (that was bought before the car started needing everything)

There was no way I could do the fuel do-over myself, I needed a new tank, all new lines, etc. Not easy on jack stands.

I have done my own clutches before, in my 84. But it was more worth my while to pay $260 to have it put it (the sencond time). AAMCO was the first time and the bill was double their quote.

My car runs 14.5-14.8 depending on it's mood. I've seen another guy on this board that has less mods than me, and is running 13.9! I guess I'm not too keen on computer controlled fuel injection cars... wish I still had my 84 Z!!!

90FormulaWS6

That is what I needed to hear. I guess I'm just tired of having a slow car!

 

Dude take your TPI off, sell it, put on a carb if you dont like fuel injection... its not difficult to go to from TPI to carb

 

yeah you could do that like this lazy hoe... or you could fix your TPI. Where in Mass do you live? Ill come over on the weekend. I have nothing to do

 

Al even when i had TPI i wouldnt let you touch my set up lol

 

I'm up near Fitchburg/Groton. You're more than welcome to come and change my mind. lol my car needs a "little" TLC.

 

Didnt say I would touch it, but I havnet had any problems with MY TPI. hehehe. sucka!


Aaron, Fitch is about an hour and half from what I hear.... it would be a trip, but ill make it out one day. I plan on going to go check out TunedPort335's car next weekend. He said his car was going into the paint shop and he would let me know when I should come out and check it all out. You do have TPI right? I have ALDL scanning software in my laptop up here. Ill bring it with me. We can see wtf is going on with your car.

 

Wow, I didn't think you were serious! Yes, I do have a TPI.

Will that software work with a non-stock ECU?

 

non stock? do you have like accel VI?

 

No, nothing that special...

Just one of those Hypertech Stage II things.

 

ohhhh you blew your money on some snake oil eh?

 

$60 for 4 center caps.. u got jipped. i went to Carlisle for the Spring Carlisle.. $35 for 4. they had the GM stickers on the back that refect GM i think.. my $.02cents

 

That was the cheapest I could find them, on ebay. I wanted a special color combo to match my car.

 

what colors?

 

Well, black background with red Iroc. I would think them to be common, but I couldn't find them anywhere.

 

those are the ones i got for my red IROC.. they had a **** load of them at 2 stands at Carlisle and for the $35 it was a steal they were $10 a peice but $35 for 4 and mine were all messed up from a previous owner. u got jipped. but thats all apart of life. later man.. stay w/ American Muscle

 

No offense but the Celica is the fastest car you've even been in?? Damn you must have a sheltered car life lol

I really don't see many performance mods, mainly maintenance and appearance mods. Seems like you have some tuning trouble.

 

Believe me Im no mechanic either but seriously. If you had 10 grand in one year. You should have drove something reliable, saved up the damn 10 g's and bought something thats fast. Damn for 10 grand you could have put quite the engine in a good car+ mods...And seriously? A celica? Was it at least the new AWD turbo celicas. Those might be pretty fast. But other than that...Seriously If you want to get thrown back into the seat and your not ready to do the mods. Buy something that will throw you back in the seat thats already been worked on...My opinion is if your car needed so much work, and you knew it. Look for something else. If I was to buy a import I think my choice would either be a 3000GT, or a Subaru STI. Those have 300 and 320 horse stock. Not 200? Im guessing which the celica had... Im sorry. I dont mean to flame if you took it that way. Just trying to give some advice...Buy what you like. Let us know what you think..

I just looked again at your prices..After buying a car for 2200 it needed a tranny and clutch right from the start? And a whole fuel system? I would have sold it after I found out about the tranny to save alot of money....You cant tell me after spending your hard earned money on all that stuff you werent mad you got totally f*cked on a beat to sh*t IROC that apparently well...didnt ROCK LOL I think you should have seen this coming...I bought my car for a grand... All I had to put into it was tires, tuneup, a center link, fuel pump, and heater core since Ive bought it a year ago. Im selling it if you know anyone that wants it. 1500.00 without the system. I live in RI.

Im sorry for ranting...Fix your car, stick a crate engine in it and be happy for christ sakes! lol

Nate

 

My car sat for a year due to me having no $ or a job (school). That's when the fuel system rotted out.

I knew the clutch needed to be replaced from the beginning, and that was no problem. AAMCO quoted me about $500 parts/labor. Then, I picked up the car with a $850 bill. Since they had already performed the work, there was no way around it; I had to pay.

My tranny only started to act up when AAMCO touched it. Since then it has a nice whine in 1,2,3 gear. Sounds like a supercharger. Kinda cool but totally not.

Not to sound pissy or anything... but ddn69 ..., go to the nearest Toyota dealer and test drive a new Celica with the VVLTI 180hp 4 banger. Then you can say things about horse power and getting thrown back. You have to remember, imports mae power by technology, not displacement.


Oh, BTW, AWD Celicas are not available. The last one was the 1988 style I believe. They also have not made the turbo one for quite some time.

 

I'm sure I have tuning problems; I'm a carb guy... new to the TPI world lol


And trust me, I am pissed about having a sh!tbox after all the $ I have into it. I just figured once I had the purchase price and the new $850 clutch job... it was too late. Keep the car and sink more $ into it or loose out and sell the thing for $1500 lol.

 

I have been in one, they don't really impress me...

 

Hmm Wonder why Audi, VW,BMW,Mercedes, Acura and amongst others increase displacement on most of their automobiles to gain more HP, I can name a bunch but too lazy to list em.

 

Yes, they increase the displacement. But, when I talked to a guy at the Toyota dealership, he said that the V6 in the Camry (etc.) was a selling point... it was the same hp as the 4cyl.

A lot of the time, people will go in the dealership saying that all they will own is a V6. They often go home with a 4 cylinder, thinking it was a V6 on the test drive...

 

well they are stupid

 

Sure, technology helps, but let's see any of those little motors make N/A what even a 305 does... Isn't gonna happen. Sure, with forced induction a 4 banger is quick, but an 8 with F/I will run like a raped ape. There is no replacement for displacement.

 

Guess you don't know what a S2000 is

 

You're comparing a pretty maxed out 4 cyl to a horribly headed, suffocating exhaust, emmisions fearing v8. Any decently built 305 will destroy a 4 cylinder. Also, take into account what a weight difference there is between these cars.

 

the 180hp motor makes 80% of its power over 6k.

As for technology, OHV is a "newwer" technolgy then the OHC design, just VVT makes OHC motors "newwer" to everyone and thats idea is losing out because GM will have a VVT OHV 3.9 V6 in its Grand Am replacement along with 3v OHV motors coming next year in trucks and the vette. And im sure the VVT technology will make it into the bigger V8's. Like i said before, you want the celica, get it.

 

LOL, I'm just calling you on your statement, don't go changing it now lol. What does vehicle weight have to do with horsepower of a motor?

Also, anyone that spends the time to build a 305 is on crack

 

Well anyway just go test drive the toyota you want to buy then test drive a 2000 T/A 5.7 or something. I think you'd make the right choice. Sorry about mentioning a turbo..I must have just meant awd. 6 speed or something they have those on the brandy new ones right?...I dunno but a newer Trans Am. Any 3000GT, or Subaru WRX/STI would more then likely smoke that car. But buy what you want.

I know technology is what fuels these newer cars or whatever but seriously. What kinda car do you want to own? Some riced out duck fart cannon toyota or a mean, intimidating, loud v8...

Nate

 

Well, they do make a Flowmaster cat-back for it