Friggin' Smog
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Friggin' Smog
Man... miserable failure. NOx more than 2X what passes. The pissy thing is that the Tercel in front of me blowing blue smoke out of the exhaust pipe passed.
I'm going to set timing to straight up 0*, add a tank of high test gas and see what happens. Anyone recommend any other things I can do? Fuel additive?
Time is limited for Third Gens on the road in California. They're legislating us off the road with more and more tests being applied. With the friggin' stop light ticket and now these costs associated with keeping my car registered, I'm starting not to feel very welcome here.
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I'm going to set timing to straight up 0*, add a tank of high test gas and see what happens. Anyone recommend any other things I can do? Fuel additive?
Time is limited for Third Gens on the road in California. They're legislating us off the road with more and more tests being applied. With the friggin' stop light ticket and now these costs associated with keeping my car registered, I'm starting not to feel very welcome here.
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That SUCKS man im gettin ready to smog mine so i will let ya know how I do!!!!
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wow, my car passed while running way rich, iffy Check engine light popping up every other day, and it wouldn't idle until it was warmed up. I would blame the smog guys and try taking it somewhere else.
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Re: Friggin' Smog
Do you have a High flow cat? And have you ever replaced your EGR?? What do you mean put your timing back to 0? The smog tech checks that after the run... That could be one of your problems.
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Hey Joe!
I don't think the timing has been checked since you and I advance it 6*. Remember that? I'm going to back that down and fuel some better gas.
Concerning the other questions, I got a new cat last year when I put the headers on. I think it's high flow. Never replaced EGR that I know of. No "Engine service" light unless I stay in highway mode over 20 minutes (like never).
Everything else checks out. There are new tests for cars over 10 (?) year old that adds cost to the test: Fuel system test including the evap and pressure test on the cap.
Do I have my bases covered or will the California crusher be looking for my car?
I don't think the timing has been checked since you and I advance it 6*. Remember that? I'm going to back that down and fuel some better gas.
Concerning the other questions, I got a new cat last year when I put the headers on. I think it's high flow. Never replaced EGR that I know of. No "Engine service" light unless I stay in highway mode over 20 minutes (like never).
Everything else checks out. There are new tests for cars over 10 (?) year old that adds cost to the test: Fuel system test including the evap and pressure test on the cap.
Do I have my bases covered or will the California crusher be looking for my car?
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You need to change your High flow cat. I had to do this when i couldnt pass smog in my 305. Change your timing to 0* as well. Then you should pass your smog with no issue. The reason why you need to change your cat is because well look at the name "HIGH FLOW" LOL... You need a cat that gets way hotter and bigger than the one you got right now. AND IM SURE ABOUT IT!
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Well I was going to post a new thread on this same issue. I just passed my test! My carbon level was on the high side, but it was within the limits. My 1st suggestion is going to a shop that is "Hot Rod" friendly. The shop I took mine to didn't ask for any CARB #'s. He didn't look at the underside of my car. He was also willing to advance my timing if I was close to failing. I was fortunate and passed the test. I just rolled over 225,000 on the IROC, but I did a few things before the test. 1st, I ran the CRC "Guaranteed to Pass" Emissions Test Formula (which is basically a fuel system cleaner). Then I did an oil/filter change and added Bars Leaks (16oz.) oil additive to help reduce the amount of oil I burnt/leaked. My "cat" is a Catco "high flow". However, I only use it when I go to smog, so it doesn't get any use the rest of the year. Also, my headers are ceramic coated and that may help my exhaust fumes to be warmer. Make sure your car is warmed up. I ran mine on the freeway before pulling in for my test. Then I let it continue run until my fans came on before pulling into the smog bay. These are the little tricks I've learned over the years.
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~groan~
The stupid-*** exhaust shop welded my cat directly to my Y-pipe so I'd rather not have to hack the bottom of the car apart to pass a damn smog test. Also, the cat is "CA Legal" with AIR so it should be OK, right?
I'm going to clean/repair/replace/whatever my EGR, dial the timing back, add some fuel additive and a tank of high test and then "pre-test". I'm afraid the current results categorize the car as a "Gross Polluter".
Lovely.
The stupid-*** exhaust shop welded my cat directly to my Y-pipe so I'd rather not have to hack the bottom of the car apart to pass a damn smog test. Also, the cat is "CA Legal" with AIR so it should be OK, right?
I'm going to clean/repair/replace/whatever my EGR, dial the timing back, add some fuel additive and a tank of high test and then "pre-test". I'm afraid the current results categorize the car as a "Gross Polluter".
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Damn Mike, sorry to hear your having trouble.
IMO your cat should be fine, get any possible exh leaks fixed as that can lead to NOx failure.
Do everything your saying above and make sure to bring the car in hot / superheat that cat.
To avoid GP status you can also have him run a "pre-test" and if everything is good run the actual smog right after.
IMO your cat should be fine, get any possible exh leaks fixed as that can lead to NOx failure.
Do everything your saying above and make sure to bring the car in hot / superheat that cat.
To avoid GP status you can also have him run a "pre-test" and if everything is good run the actual smog right after.
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Re: Friggin' Smog
I don't know **** about smog so I cannot contribute to this thread except to pass my condolences.
Be cool like me and take advantage of the system!
Be cool like me and take advantage of the system!
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The reason why i say its the cat is because i could not pass with the high flow on there. Not sure if the cat was good or not when i took the test. Do what you have to do Mike, Good luck. If you search for all the smog threads i have posted up in 2005 you should find your answer.
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mine was always a pain in the butt to pass also. I put colder plugs in it, cleaned the egr system, fresh catalytic converter, and retarded the timing to -2 degress, they allow you a couple degrees in either direction. Too much combustion chamber heat will make alot of NOx, so make sure your cooling system is all intact and working properly, and maybe even wire the fan up to run all the time for the smog to help keep it cooler.
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Hey Mike, hard to believe that you're still fighting this issue. I can't remember if you're using an ignition upgrade box, like the popular MSD 6A???? You're probably already aware of how much a fat, multi-spark system can clean up a 'leaking cylinder' issue? Just a thought- Nitro
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Theory: I need to increase the pressure on my cat.
If I plug up one pipe with foil or something, will that increase my back pressure from the muffler to heat up the cat? Remember: Single in, double out.
Timing set, EGR looks good, high test gas.. Pretest soon?
Bennie? Any other advice?
If I plug up one pipe with foil or something, will that increase my back pressure from the muffler to heat up the cat? Remember: Single in, double out.
Timing set, EGR looks good, high test gas.. Pretest soon?
Bennie? Any other advice?
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, high NOX and the service engine light condition you've described above can each be related to the EGR system. And considering you're experiencing both problems, it's a pretty good bet that's where the problem lies. It most-likely has nothing to do with the cat, high-flow or not.First, check your EGR vacuum lines(TB-to-solenoid, solenoid-to-valve) for holes or cracks. They're hard plastic, and they can be damaged easily. And at their age, they might be brittle. They might look fine installed, but the only way to thoroughly inspect them is to remove them completely because a hole might be on the underside of one of them. Also, blow through them to make sure they aren't clogged. If they checkout ok, then check and/or replace the EGR valve; and check and/or replace the EGR solenoid. Then get an intake cleaning product(like Seafoam[off-the-shelf], or if you're planning a trip to Nevada soon, stop at a GM dealer and buy some GM Top Engine Cleaner, which can no longer be purchased in the "great state" of CA, thanks to the infinite "wisdom" of the CARetardedBoard).
And there's always the "drilling-out the EGR valve" trick, which I think you might've tried already, haven't you? That's fine, but if one of the above parts of the system isn't functioning, then that won't have accomplished anything(and prolly wasn't even necessary).
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I didn't drill the EGR on Don's advice from Famoso b/c I couldn't find a drill bit that small. Also, the car seemed to be driving fine. I'll inspect the vacuum system on the EGR before the pretest. I have an extra EGR valve in case I need it.
This kind a sucks.
This kind a sucks.
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This is the reason I'm a legal resident of Mendocino county now..
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I was kinda hoping for more of a response from Mr. Back-Pressure-FAQ guy.
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Well, she passed. I wasn't there when it passed (it was a drop off) but I think the tech figured out how to heat up the cat so that it was working properly. It could have also been the EGR valve that I replaced with Dyno Don's drill-out mod.
In any case the noxious fume readings are well below allowable limits now. I'm just not sure my cat ever gets up to temperature with the short trips I take with the car.
Until next year...
In any case the noxious fume readings are well below allowable limits now. I'm just not sure my cat ever gets up to temperature with the short trips I take with the car.
Until next year...
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Great Job by the way Mike.
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Congratulations! Glad to hear that everything's in working order. 
So you drilled the EGR valve, or actually changed the valve and replaced it with one that had been drilled?
And unless you've spent a year trying to pass, you shouldn't have to test again for 2 years.
And unless you've spent a year trying to pass, you shouldn't have to test again for 2 years.
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And unless you've spent a year trying to pass, you shouldn't have to test again for 2 years.
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That may not be true. That new CA prop requires an annual smog check for those cars that are targeted (ours). I am not sure of the status of that prop (was it 111?) but I heard it passed. If that's the case we can all look forward to going through this bull5hit every year.
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whats the big deal if you got to smog your car every year ???? I think its for the better and keeps a car owner on top of maintaining there vehicle is all. The only ones who are opposed to the law are guys who want to rip off there emmisions devices or disable them.
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That sure came across as negative and accusatory. Some times it takes awhile to track down a smog issue. If he had just run his vehicle into a shop, given that he wasn't really throwing any engine codes, they would have had to replace a part, smog test; then repeat until they solved it. He would have had to take out a car loan to pay for that bill.
For those of us who are slowly modifying our engines/drivetrains to eek out every single extra horsepower, it takes time; let alone having to be under the smog gun where we have to pass or park the car.
My engine is really tired and I've been waiting for the new one to finish being built. It barely fails smog. I'm not trying to 'get one over' the smog police, or get away with anything- But if I was forced to drop in any available motor just to please the government instead of waiting for the one that's going to perform to my personal spec's; technically, that's violating my constitutional rights.
High flow cats don't last as long as the factory systems; it's a trade off. Should we be forced to drive plugged up factory systems at 5 times the cost, not be allowed to run headers because it wouldn't do any good with a factory catalytic converter & thus might temporarily skew the smog particle outputs at a specific rpm&speed that we don't actually drive at?
Being forced to smog our vehicles each year because of the type & age of our vehicle is as fair as racial profiling, which to some is seen as bigotry, unethical, and against the American way. We should be allowed the time it takes to modify and improve our vehicles without the government looking that closely over our shoulders, as long as we eventually meet smog codes.
You certainly are welcome to your opinion. This is mine. Nitro
For those of us who are slowly modifying our engines/drivetrains to eek out every single extra horsepower, it takes time; let alone having to be under the smog gun where we have to pass or park the car.
My engine is really tired and I've been waiting for the new one to finish being built. It barely fails smog. I'm not trying to 'get one over' the smog police, or get away with anything- But if I was forced to drop in any available motor just to please the government instead of waiting for the one that's going to perform to my personal spec's; technically, that's violating my constitutional rights.
High flow cats don't last as long as the factory systems; it's a trade off. Should we be forced to drive plugged up factory systems at 5 times the cost, not be allowed to run headers because it wouldn't do any good with a factory catalytic converter & thus might temporarily skew the smog particle outputs at a specific rpm&speed that we don't actually drive at?
Being forced to smog our vehicles each year because of the type & age of our vehicle is as fair as racial profiling, which to some is seen as bigotry, unethical, and against the American way. We should be allowed the time it takes to modify and improve our vehicles without the government looking that closely over our shoulders, as long as we eventually meet smog codes.
You certainly are welcome to your opinion. This is mine. Nitro
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My engines tired to but a new cat got it right through ..... Thats why you have a pretest done, it eliminates the chance cars get profiled when they blow a gross polluter test on there first try ..... Test only's are easy to get through most techs there don't even know whats original to the car. If you check the basic stuff that could affect emmisions and replace or fix it you'll never have a problem getting through. Hell apply vacumn directly to the egr valve and you'll know its functioning correctly. Rev motor up and feel if the solonoid is allowing the egr to open thats not hard, set timing, new plugs, air cleaner, cap rotor, o2 sensor. A highflow cat is a BS theory I'de say it was hot prior to the test is all ..... You could put a new cat on a car drive it across the street and because it was hot enough it would fail. Temperature is everything with these cars they were designed to run hot. So the second you start tampering with thermostats, running electric fan all the time etc. expect to fail simple as that. Just maintain the key components and you'll never have a problem. Look at test result and what it really takes to fail and you'll find thats it's usually a simple fix that caused the problem. My car has the normal puffs of blue smoke at startup and under heavy load but it still passes with ease so it's not like I have a perfect engine just everything is functioning correctly and working efficiently.
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Interesting. Am I hearing you state that part of the 'profiling requirement' should be that every man, woman, and child over the age of 15 should have full knowledge of emisions diagnostics, ignition diagnostics, be able to diagnose if a cam has a flat spot or the timing belt is stretched, etc??? That it's so simple, all you need is a full set of tools, understand engine vaccuum and such?
Every time we 'modify' a part or a system, we break the 'simplicity' of the electronic sensor balance. I know I'm learning as I go as to how changing the fuel delivery affects the balance of the air intake, which affects,.... well, it becomes a domino affect.
What if someone dosn't have access to the tools or training? Stretch it further and include someone who's disabled and can't just jump into the engine compartment and has to rely on help; or someone who's temporarily injured. They now have the extra burden of having to deal with long DMV lines to get registration extensions, help in getting their vehicle to a mechanic RIGHT NOW, Having to hire someone to bring their vehicle down repeatedly for presmogs and such. Am I being extreme? Yep. but laws like this affect those people too.
I'm also wondering why you're making statements about Cadillac's catalytic converter issue being "Bulll-shiyt". Are you saying he's a lyer and/or his mechaninc is a lyer? Or is it more that one of them is more ignorant than yourself? Or is it actually an issue of someone needing to be 'right' and other people wrong???
I had a pretest done to verify that my engine is old and tired. Should I have to park the car and start towing it to the transmission shop, the rear-end shop, etc while I'm waiting for my new engine? Should I be forced to come up with the $1500 to pay a mechanic shop to switch engine's within the 30 day smog due period and miss the joy of doing it myself? What if I'm waiting for a part that's on back-order?
I also have DMV Disabled plates on my car and am recovering from spine surgery. Once that operation has healed up enough, I have to get another surgery. If you look at my sig, you'll see I've gotten an awful lot done for a person who couldn't walk in the not so distant past. How do you think someone in those shoes feels about vehicle profiling. What help do you think the California government is offering for people who can't just diagnose,fix, test, and mail off the paperwork in just one 30 day period?
I'm definitely not saying that you are wrong and I'm right- I'm just trying to follow your logic. Nitro
Every time we 'modify' a part or a system, we break the 'simplicity' of the electronic sensor balance. I know I'm learning as I go as to how changing the fuel delivery affects the balance of the air intake, which affects,.... well, it becomes a domino affect.
What if someone dosn't have access to the tools or training? Stretch it further and include someone who's disabled and can't just jump into the engine compartment and has to rely on help; or someone who's temporarily injured. They now have the extra burden of having to deal with long DMV lines to get registration extensions, help in getting their vehicle to a mechanic RIGHT NOW, Having to hire someone to bring their vehicle down repeatedly for presmogs and such. Am I being extreme? Yep. but laws like this affect those people too.
I'm also wondering why you're making statements about Cadillac's catalytic converter issue being "Bulll-shiyt". Are you saying he's a lyer and/or his mechaninc is a lyer? Or is it more that one of them is more ignorant than yourself? Or is it actually an issue of someone needing to be 'right' and other people wrong???
I had a pretest done to verify that my engine is old and tired. Should I have to park the car and start towing it to the transmission shop, the rear-end shop, etc while I'm waiting for my new engine? Should I be forced to come up with the $1500 to pay a mechanic shop to switch engine's within the 30 day smog due period and miss the joy of doing it myself? What if I'm waiting for a part that's on back-order?
I also have DMV Disabled plates on my car and am recovering from spine surgery. Once that operation has healed up enough, I have to get another surgery. If you look at my sig, you'll see I've gotten an awful lot done for a person who couldn't walk in the not so distant past. How do you think someone in those shoes feels about vehicle profiling. What help do you think the California government is offering for people who can't just diagnose,fix, test, and mail off the paperwork in just one 30 day period?
I'm definitely not saying that you are wrong and I'm right- I'm just trying to follow your logic. Nitro
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Interesting. Am I hearing you state that part of the 'profiling requirement' should be that every man, woman, and child over the age of 15 should have full knowledge of emisions diagnostics, ignition diagnostics, be able to diagnose if a cam has a flat spot or the timing belt is stretched, etc??? That it's so simple, all you need is a full set of tools, understand engine vaccuum and such?
Every time we 'modify' a part or a system, we break the 'simplicity' of the electronic sensor balance. I know I'm learning as I go as to how changing the fuel delivery affects the balance of the air intake, which affects,.... well, it becomes a domino affect.
What if someone dosn't have access to the tools or training? Stretch it further and include someone who's disabled and can't just jump into the engine compartment and has to rely on help; or someone who's temporarily injured. They now have the extra burden of having to deal with long DMV lines to get registration extensions, help in getting their vehicle to a mechanic RIGHT NOW, Having to hire someone to bring their vehicle down repeatedly for presmogs and such. Am I being extreme? Yep. but laws like this affect those people too.
I'm also wondering why you're making statements about Cadillac's catalytic converter issue being "Bulll-shiyt". Are you saying he's a lyer and/or his mechaninc is a lyer? Or is it more that one of them is more ignorant than yourself? Or is it actually an issue of someone needing to be 'right' and other people wrong???
I had a pretest done to verify that my engine is old and tired. Should I have to park the car and start towing it to the transmission shop, the rear-end shop, etc while I'm waiting for my new engine? Should I be forced to come up with the $1500 to pay a mechanic shop to switch engine's within the 30 day smog due period and miss the joy of doing it myself? What if I'm waiting for a part that's on back-order?
I also have DMV Disabled plates on my car and am recovering from spine surgery. Once that operation has healed up enough, I have to get another surgery. If you look at my sig, you'll see I've gotten an awful lot done for a person who couldn't walk in the not so distant past. How do you think someone in those shoes feels about vehicle profiling. What help do you think the California government is offering for people who can't just diagnose,fix, test, and mail off the paperwork in just one 30 day period?
I'm definitely not saying that you are wrong and I'm right- I'm just trying to follow your logic. Nitro
Every time we 'modify' a part or a system, we break the 'simplicity' of the electronic sensor balance. I know I'm learning as I go as to how changing the fuel delivery affects the balance of the air intake, which affects,.... well, it becomes a domino affect.
What if someone dosn't have access to the tools or training? Stretch it further and include someone who's disabled and can't just jump into the engine compartment and has to rely on help; or someone who's temporarily injured. They now have the extra burden of having to deal with long DMV lines to get registration extensions, help in getting their vehicle to a mechanic RIGHT NOW, Having to hire someone to bring their vehicle down repeatedly for presmogs and such. Am I being extreme? Yep. but laws like this affect those people too.
I'm also wondering why you're making statements about Cadillac's catalytic converter issue being "Bulll-shiyt". Are you saying he's a lyer and/or his mechaninc is a lyer? Or is it more that one of them is more ignorant than yourself? Or is it actually an issue of someone needing to be 'right' and other people wrong???
I had a pretest done to verify that my engine is old and tired. Should I have to park the car and start towing it to the transmission shop, the rear-end shop, etc while I'm waiting for my new engine? Should I be forced to come up with the $1500 to pay a mechanic shop to switch engine's within the 30 day smog due period and miss the joy of doing it myself? What if I'm waiting for a part that's on back-order?
I also have DMV Disabled plates on my car and am recovering from spine surgery. Once that operation has healed up enough, I have to get another surgery. If you look at my sig, you'll see I've gotten an awful lot done for a person who couldn't walk in the not so distant past. How do you think someone in those shoes feels about vehicle profiling. What help do you think the California government is offering for people who can't just diagnose,fix, test, and mail off the paperwork in just one 30 day period?
I'm definitely not saying that you are wrong and I'm right- I'm just trying to follow your logic. Nitro
Me personally I'm glad california is cracking down hard will keep back yard mechanics from throwing on there holley carbs and headers and driving there polluting cars. If mine can pass theres no reason why yours can't but yours probably doesn't because of the typical cam/intake etc etc. swapping. You want to screw with the emmision control systems then go to DMV for your monthly extensions, me I prefer to drive in pass smog pay my fee's and be done with it and enjoy driving my car. ..... If you can't fix it take it to someone who can whats the big deal.
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That statement reminded me of something. Mike's car was throwing a code.
The light would come on after a period of sustained highway speeds. That's a possible indicator of a malfunctioning EGR system(along with high NOX). But after turning off the engine, then restarting the car, the light won't return... until you're at sustained speeds again. So it's easy to forget there's a code stored.
I know it really doesn't matter now that your car has passed, Mike, but if you wanna know what was wrong, the code is still stored in the computer, and you can still retrieve it(if you haven't cleared the codes or disconnected the battery). It's most-likely a 32(3 flashes, pause, 2 flashes), and that's the EGR system.
It would bug me not knowing, lol.
The light would come on after a period of sustained highway speeds. That's a possible indicator of a malfunctioning EGR system(along with high NOX). But after turning off the engine, then restarting the car, the light won't return... until you're at sustained speeds again. So it's easy to forget there's a code stored.
I know it really doesn't matter now that your car has passed, Mike, but if you wanna know what was wrong, the code is still stored in the computer, and you can still retrieve it(if you haven't cleared the codes or disconnected the battery). It's most-likely a 32(3 flashes, pause, 2 flashes), and that's the EGR system.
It would bug me not knowing, lol.
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....I'm saying if your car is beyond your capabilities junk it and get something newer. Passing smog is simple.....
You're absolutely right. We don't 'deserve' to have our F-bodies.
Either you're very naive or you wear your Swastika proudly.
You're absolutely right. We don't 'deserve' to have our F-bodies.
Either you're very naive or you wear your Swastika proudly.
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maybe a modified ZZ-4 could be your problems LOL .... Don't blame politics and laws that say it's illegal to modify a pollution controlled vehicle. It's your own fault if it can't pass and this law is great in the sense emmision controlled vehicles have to be kept that way. ....... Move to a state without smog checks if you can't pass and want to keep your car or sell it. Your not going to win this new law so get used to it. Find a way work around it or drop an original type engine back in your car or use emmision legal performance parts. Sign the appeal thing but theres gonna be more people who support it.
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When I 1st started into this love for old cars, I knew nothing about the mechanics of them. Although I'm still learning and aquiring new tools to work on them myself (and plan on teaching my son), I think you're saying I should've scrapped my old '84 Z/28 when it failed smog the last year it was on the road. You ARE entitled to YOUR opinion, just don't be hurt if you're all alone here on this one! I'm with you Neagan.
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You're entitled to your opinion. But you fixed yours to be compliant, other just keep going back for there temps. How long do you think california will keep doing that. But like I said it would take major issues to fail a smog check or you just don't know what your doing and should leave the job to a professional. I'm actually gonna laugh when other states follow california in smog requirements.
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Before the state of California cracked down 25 or so years ago, bogus smog checks and paperwork could be had for $5.00. I never took any cars or trucks I had anywhere else. After the enforcement got as strict as it is now, I only take my cars to a smog shop that will pre-test them. The key is to not be declared a gross polluter to do this. Our cars will pass smog in every state if they have the proper equipment on them and are tuned correctly.
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But what if you want to go fast in style?
You can be much faster then stock and still pass smog, but still, you can't quite catch up with the new cars either.
You can be much faster then stock and still pass smog, but still, you can't quite catch up with the new cars either.
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And thats why you see newer cars on the road, for people who can't be burdened with a old car. Besides there are obvious signs your car won't pass a smog test ...... I'm not disputing your case based on disability cause you probably accomplish more then I ever do on my car. I'm saying if your car is beyond your capabilities junk it and get something newer. Passing smog is simple I just don't see why everyone makes it out to be a death sentence ........ Besides what we do now to protect the environment is for our kids futer and if that isn't incentive enough for you then store the gross poluter it's for the better
Me personally I'm glad california is cracking down hard will keep back yard mechanics from throwing on there holley carbs and headers and driving there polluting cars. If mine can pass theres no reason why yours can't but yours probably doesn't because of the typical cam/intake etc etc. swapping. You want to screw with the emmision control systems then go to DMV for your monthly extensions, me I prefer to drive in pass smog pay my fee's and be done with it and enjoy driving my car. ..... If you can't fix it take it to someone who can whats the big deal.
Me personally I'm glad california is cracking down hard will keep back yard mechanics from throwing on there holley carbs and headers and driving there polluting cars. If mine can pass theres no reason why yours can't but yours probably doesn't because of the typical cam/intake etc etc. swapping. You want to screw with the emmision control systems then go to DMV for your monthly extensions, me I prefer to drive in pass smog pay my fee's and be done with it and enjoy driving my car. ..... If you can't fix it take it to someone who can whats the big deal.
you must belong to a toyota prius forum too? its a chevy man you dont own chevys to be green..... you own them for the muscle for the pride for the looks for the sound that comes out the tail pipes. this isnt a place for all your crazy comments.----------
buy me one i ll drive it... i would personally rather have a nice 91-92 z28 or an 86-90 iroc then a vette specially for the money you spend.
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What crazy comments .... It's a factual, and now that you mention it hybrids are the way of the future. You know nationally if this became a law would make mine worth more since alot could never be registered again. hahaha keep mod'ing them
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exactly lets go on a forum and talk crap and make fun of every one who has spent countless hours and hard earned money on there car, not to mention the sweat that goes in to maintaining these cars.. while we are at it lets all be hippy's and live in berkley
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Congrats on getting the vert smogged! Last edited by Daniel U; Feb 21, 2008 at 12:12 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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Ultimately a nuclear powered cars will become reality. In the not to far future petroleum products will be in great shortage. If we had made todays steps 30 years ago we wouldn't be in the position we are now. Global warming is a direct result of vehicle emmisions and the millions of cars on the road would naturally be the first target of the government, thats a no-brainer.