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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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letting the cat out of the bag

this will be sitting on top of my Vortec headed 350



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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 09:11 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

nice you figured out your thermostat housing issue.

after I saw your setup in person I been thinking about doing that intake setup instead just so I can fix my throttle linkage issues ive had and I dont prefer my ghetto rig setup I run now.
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

carb woulda been cheaper...just sayin
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

cheaper yes, better.....No....
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 11:35 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

thats one trick setup
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 03:53 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

I don't know about cats out of bags, but when will the Formula be out of the garage?

What're you shooting for with this setup Terrell?
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by scribbles
cheaper yes, better.....No....
depends on what your definition of better is (you'll lose this argument if you want to play)
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by JesasaurusRex
depends on what your definition of better is (you'll lose this argument if you want to play)
1/4 mi at a time is carb all the way, so much easier to tune hell ive seen guys tune carbs using only cigerettes its a funny story
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 06:38 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

carbs are great for racecars
fuel injection is great for streetcars.

ive seen plenty of proof in video that FI can run 8's, 7's or even 6's! and these cars still have A/C and drive a 100 miles each way to and from the races.

Therefor, I believe FI is superior.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by TraviZ
carbs are great for racecars
fuel injection is great for streetcars.

ive seen plenty of proof in video that FI can run 8's, 7's or even 6's! and these cars still have A/C and drive a 100 miles each way to and from the races.

Therefor, I believe FI is superior.
nobodys arguing FI can't make power , a carb is just a better form of fuel delivery. No ifs ands or buts about it. That being said I'll take a fuel injected car for a daily driver ANY day of the week over a carbed car.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:25 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by JesasaurusRex
a carb is just a better form of fuel delivery. No ifs ands or buts about it.
thats only true if the carb is properly tuned and jetted for the engine. same with fuel injection.
FI is simply an electronic carb. the sensor detects the air coming in, measures it, and injects the appropriate ammount of fuel.
a carb does the same thing mechanically using principles of airflow and pressure drop ect.
i dont remember who said it, but i remember a quote that said something along the lines of
the most efficient/accurate/simple fuel injection system is a carb
not sure of the exact quote, but you get the idea

That being said I'll take a fuel injected car for a daily driver ANY day of the week over a carbed car.
agreed
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:30 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Guitar Hero World Tour?
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

why cant your daily driver also be your 9 second mean machine?

and in FI terms vs the fuel delivery of a carb, doesnt the alpha-n method of fueling represent that very similiar of a carb? in which its a throttle position x rpm = x ammount of fuel?
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 11:40 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Its fuel entering the engine,
Theres two ways, carburetors..or fuel injection.
Carbs are ok & have their place, I guess if turning a screw seems more precise than controlling injector pulse, then knock yourself out.
Dont think that FI is not for race applications.

check this
http://www.moranmotorsports.com
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

http://www.moranmotorsports.com/prod...x.php?cPath=63
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 11:57 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

one of my all time favorite drag videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpu...eature=related

ignore the title, its not 1700hp lol
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 12:09 AM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by OUTATIME GTA
I don't know about cats out of bags, but when will the Formula be out of the garage?

What're you shooting for with this setup Terrell?
shooting for it to run. As for it getting out of the garage, things keep coming up.
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 12:30 AM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by kairles
shooting for it to run. As for it getting out of the garage, things keep coming up.

I hear that
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 12:59 AM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

let me know the second you need your air compressor back its been a HUDGE help i cant thank you enough, also let me know when u need help doppin that motor in you know im there t money
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 01:00 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Originally Posted by scribbles
cheaper yes, better.....No....
Now that's a can or worms if I've ever seen one. An age old arguement with no end. My two cents; although I am looking to do the LS1 in my '84 Z28, I prefer the classic carbs. But then again, I'm junk when it comes to computers, and I don't trust my car to people I don't know. I was raised in schools of old time hot rodders (you know those guys who bought '40 Fords from used car dealerships for their fist car), carbeuration is what I know. I guess that's just why I do what I do....
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 08:55 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

hey where did u get the intake manifold and throttle body. if you could tell me the part#s and all that would be awesome... that looks sweet!


thanks scott
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

Manifold - 29135(will need 3631 fuel rails)
Elbow - 3848(3) - (black)
Throttle body - 3869(comes with IAC and TPS)

these are all edelbrock #'s

dont know why but I got the manifold from jegs and it was alot cheaper than it is now.
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 08:55 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

What engine management system are you going to run, Terrell?
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

stock (hehehe)
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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Re: letting the cat out of the bag

He could, it's a speed density car right? So he already has a 730 ecm. A Megasquirt setup would work too.

I really like those Edelbrock throttle body elbows. I've been planning to install an LT1 intake in my car for a while, but now I'm swinging toward a single plane. Not quite as OEM looking... but more functional, for sure.
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