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Old Apr 5, 2004 | 02:39 PM
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who here has the lightest street driven thirdgen?

Ok I'll go first. I drive my firebird to work about 2 times a week and cruise on weekends, go to track when I can. It weighs 3,050 pounds without driver, and a half tank of gas. Next time i weigh it, it should weigh 2,9XX because I've removed some stuff since the last time I weighed it.
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Old Apr 5, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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mine was 3615 with my tools, me, subwoofer and 3/4- full tank of gas...

minus me and tools, its closer to 3375...



so i'll put me down for 3375 in the lightest vert category. :lala:



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Old Apr 5, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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Old Apr 5, 2004 | 07:11 PM
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weighed mine today full tank of gas and me (235lb) in it 3700 pounds. now it seem more impressive that i ran 129.77 in the 1/4 2 weeks ago on the break in run
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Old Apr 5, 2004 | 08:16 PM
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Re: who here has the lightest street driven thirdgen?

Originally posted by ChrisFormula355
It weighs 3,050 pounds without driver, and a half tank of gas.
And how often does the car drive around without a driver? Total weight or what I'd rather call Race Weight, is how much the car weighs going down the track. A 3050 pound car sounds light but when you add a 150 pound driver, the engine is trying to now move 3200 pounds.

I need to reweigh my car before the start of the season to see how much my winter changes did. My race weight last fall was just under 3200 pounds. I'd love to get down to 2800 pounds but that's a lot of weight I need to remove and there's not much left.
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 12:39 AM
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The scales said 3210 with me in it. I'm a slim 155 pounds. I'm hoping to get it down to 2,9XX or so with me out of the car next time I weigh it. I think people should post what their CAR weighs not what your FAT *** weighs heheheh. Too hard to try and subtract whatever your weight is. Just list your car weight.
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 12:49 AM
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My stock non T top '88 GTA weighed 3380. I removed the A/C, but installed a bigger, heavier radiator and put on subframe connectors. We'll have to weight (ha ha) and see what it is when all the AC stuff is out. It is otherwise full of every option available.

i weigh 190lbs, but that's not really very fat considering I'm 6'4". If I get any skinnier, I wont' have a butt so sit on.

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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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Im in at a car weight of 3480. That is without driver, but with a rollcage, A/C 2 12" subs and a full tank of gas
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 01:01 PM
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Re: Re: who here has the lightest street driven thirdgen?

Originally posted by Stephen 87 IROC
And how often does the car drive around without a driver? Total weight or what I'd rather call Race Weight, is how much the car weighs going down the track. A 3050 pound car sounds light but when you add a 150 pound driver, the engine is trying to now move 3200 pounds.

I need to reweigh my car before the start of the season to see how much my winter changes did. My race weight last fall was just under 3200 pounds. I'd love to get down to 2800 pounds but that's a lot of weight I need to remove and there's not much left.


the reason you tell the driver weight, is that more then one person could drive the car...

if i let a featherweight like ChrisFormula355 drive my car, hes going to be a lil faster then me... but only because of the weight diff.


thats why i list car weight, my weight and race weight.
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 01:56 PM
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Re: Re: Re: who here has the lightest street driven thirdgen?

Originally posted by MrDude_1
the reason you tell the driver weight, is that more then one person could drive the car...

if i let a featherweight like ChrisFormula355 drive my car, hes going to be a lil faster then me... but only because of the weight diff.


thats why i list car weight, my weight and race weight.
I've actually had friends have me drive their car down the track because they were a good 100-150 pounds heavier than me, and their car did in fact go a few tenths quicker
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 01:59 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: who here has the lightest street driven thirdgen?

Originally posted by ChrisFormula355
I've actually had friends have me drive their car down the track because they were a good 100-150 pounds heavier than me, and their car did in fact go a few tenths quicker
yea yea yea, i hate you guys.
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Old Apr 6, 2004 | 08:12 PM
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My car weighed in at 3505 with me and an almost full tank. Id like to get some weight out of it but it handles great now and snice i drive the car everyday i dont know how to drop weight without spending alot of money or giving up seats and things like that
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Old Apr 7, 2004 | 01:21 AM
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Mine is 3025 with iron heads and a cage. Cant get much lighter tho.
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Old Apr 7, 2004 | 03:57 AM
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I should officially be about 2,990 pounds this Friday when I weigh the car. I removed approximately 60 pounds worth of crap today. Removed the in dash speakers, the rest of the wiring harness that isnt' being used (former TBI car), some more stereo junk that was hiding under the passenger side dash, the windshield wiper motors and arms and stuff, and some other miscellaneous stuff! The reason for all this?? I want to hit mid 11s on motor before I spray it to 10s!! The easiest I see doing this is in a 2,900 pound car. What really sucks is next time I go to the track (april 30th) they are going to boot me for sure and I really don't ever plan on installing a roll cage Whats really cool is I still drive this car to work and school a few times a week. How many people with 10 second cars can say that?? well ok its not officially 10s yet but it should be pretty easy to squeeze into the 10's with it being a 100 pounds lighter than it was running mid/high 7 second 1/8 mile times all motor. woot.

oh and **** I just remembered one other thing that is going to save me at least 40 pounds....................the HUGE heavy rubber aerowing on the back of my car!! Thats being replaced with either a fiberglass aero wing or a junkyard base model firebird wing ASAP. Its dead weight
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Old Apr 7, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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3175 with me and a full tank of fuel weighed on ihra scale. and yes i always race with a full tank of gas



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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 06:31 AM
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Buncha light wieghts

Wow!, All of those wieghts are light compared to mine....it`s a whopping 4,060 #`s with me in it and a full tank

RF) 1200 #`s

LF) 1150 #`s

RR) 850#`s

RL) 860#`s

This wieght was taken two years ago and and I have slimed it down a little, aluminum water pump, lighter alternator and brackets, Removed the a/c box for a delete box, Have a tube k-member, a-arms, and coil over kit to be installed and still need to move that battery to the back. Aluminum heads would probably be the biggest wieght savings but at 2,000 + it`s not gonna be anytime soon, the M-6 will come before those. 11.20`s with a 1.6 sixty time is decent for the wieght even with a rat.
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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 05:06 PM
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3550 with me in it, *with* the A/C removed, aluminum radiator and water pump, very little stereo, 1/2 tank gas... I feel fat.
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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisFormula355
Whats really cool is I still drive this car to work and school a few times a week. How many people with 10 second cars can say that??
I can I drive my car several times a week to work, to car shows and cruises, and of course to and from the track

Just yesterday I drove my car to work(in the rain )and went to the track right after work, pulled up to the line with no changes other than rear tire pressure and went 11.22@120mph Thats on pumpgas which is equivelent to you running n/a, I'll be running racegas this Sat and looking for at least a 10.50

My car is usually around 3530 raceweight(depending on fuel and what tools are in the car), I'm about 250-260 so figure the car alone is around 3270-3280. The reason I think my car is so heavy even with alot of weight reduction is because of all the heavy parts I put in it like the SSM subframes, mild steel 8 point bar, TH400 trans, chrome moly driveshaft, and 12 Bolt rear.

BTW, raceweight IMHO is more important than unlaiden weight. Like Stephen 87 IROC said, how often does a car drive around without a driver.

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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by TTA850
I can I drive my car several times a week to work, to car shows and cruises, and of course to and from the track

thats f'n awesome man

I LOVE driving to work (I work at an auto parts store, dont' laugh, I'm a starving mechanical engineering student!!) and listening to customers brag about having a tubbed out race car they trailer to the track and run 12's in, then I point to my firebird and tell them the 1/8 mile times I pulled off and they just give me a stunned look like "wtf did you just drive your race car to work??!?". hahahahha shweet
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:43 AM
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My car is 3330 lbs, without me in it and 1/2 tank of fuel (about 8 gallons, or 50 lbs). No A/C or P/S. Pretty light though considering it's a roots blown big block car (all steel, full interior) with a big honkin' Dana 60 rear end! It's also back-halved with a full roll cage. Weight distribution is F/R: 57.9/42.1 percent, with me in the car (160 lbs), at race weight (about 3500 lbs). Good for mid 9's @ 145 MPH so far, running on pump gas.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Motor City Mike
My car is 3330 lbs, without me in it and 1/2 tank of fuel (about 8 gallons, or 50 lbs). No A/C or P/S. Pretty light though considering it's a roots blown big block car (all steel, full interior) with a big honkin' Dana 60 rear end! It's also back-halved with a full roll cage. Weight distribution is F/R: 57.9/42.1 percent, with me in the car (160 lbs), at race weight (about 3500 lbs). Good for mid 9's @ 145 MPH so far, running on pump gas.
when are your pics going up on a website to check out this ride?
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Old Apr 11, 2004 | 08:19 AM
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my old 91 rs weighed in at 3280 with me, 200lbs, and a half tank of gas. the car still had a bunch of stuff in it too, power windows/locks/hatch release. only thing anyoen coudl ever see was missing was the back seats.....hehe. my car also had road racing brakes at teh time. not bad for a street legal t-top car i think.
my new toy is a 83 Z28 hard top. plan togo super weight **** on it and i will actually document where all the weight comes out of the car. the "little things" actually add up to a lot mroe weight than you woudl think, my odl car was pretty good proof of that.

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Old Apr 11, 2004 | 08:46 AM
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i was thinking (Ruh-Rhoh!!) that some good places to drop significant weight would be:

Replace rr glass with Percys' "speed glass"
swap rear spoiler for fiberglass or earlier version
Replace the hood with fiberglass
Tubular crossmember
Aluminum heads
Air Cond Delete
Lightweight wheels

Have any of you guys used these methods?
What other methods would you suggest for a STREET car?

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Old Apr 11, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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try to think small.
look at the dumb things on the car, how many bolts does it take to hold down a fender, correct answer is 2(1 at each end) gm's answer was 5. when shimming a fender to align it what is teh best material to use, correct answer small pieces of aluminum, gm's answer was about 2lbs of steel shims per side.
these are the kind of little things that i see so amny people miss out on so often because they think"that pound or two isn't enough to help", well, that individual pound or two may not be, but all the things that get skipped because of tht thinking does add up.
i was told a long time ago by an older street racer, " it isn't 100lbs, it is 1600oz's." everything counts, no matter how small.

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Old Apr 11, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by xpndbl3
when are your pics going up on a website to check out this ride?
I haven't had much time lately to get a site up and running. I've been getting my new computer set-up for picture/video editing, and need to transfer a lot of pics from my old computer, and scan a bunch more. Just got back from getting the chassis NHRA certified yesterday. Hopefully soon.
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Old Apr 12, 2004 | 01:26 AM
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I spent 4 hours at the car wash removing stuff today:

dash pad (replaced it with dash cover)

hatch struts

all vents and metal supports for vents

heater core

wiper motor, left wipers in place (for legality)

security compartment in rear hatch

I figure this about 50 pounds total worth of stuff. The dash pad was really heavy, and there was a lot of other miscellaneous crap.

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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 02:08 AM
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My car WITH driver, full tank, and 2 12's in the back, 3760.


Car without driver, 3550


It's a vert.
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 07:34 PM
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listing your cars weight with your weight included has to be about the most annoying thing i ever come across on the internet. The only reason I would want to know your race weight is if I had a trap speed for that same run and I wanted to calculate your horsepower. Other than that there is no friggin point other than you are just giving me a number with one huge variable.

When people ask about car weights on here they dont want to calculate your hp they wanna know if they can make their car any lighter; for the love of *** why not just list your car weight without you included

that seriously annoys the **** out of me

btw mine was 3250 with a 700r4 and a bunch of other crap.. ill bet im at like 3000 now. The nose sits rediculously high off the ground. I think the big thing there was removing thecrash beam and relocating the battery thats around 70 lbs off the front alone not to mention no smog pump or AC

dont forget removing the crash beams if you want to drop a whole lot of weight at once chris

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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Pablo
listing your cars weight with your weight included has to be about the most annoying thing i ever come across on the internet. The only reason I would want to know your race weight is if I had a trap speed for that same run and I wanted to calculate your horsepower. Other than that there is no friggin point other than you are just giving me a number with one huge variable.

When people ask about car weights on here they dont want to calculate your hp they wanna know if they can make their car any lighter; for the love of *** why not just list your car weight without you included

that seriously annoys the **** out of me

btw mine was 3250 with a 700r4 and a bunch of other crap.. ill bet im at like 3000 now. The nose sits rediculously high off the ground. I think the big thing there was removing thecrash beam and relocating the battery thats around 70 lbs off the front alone not to mention no smog pump or AC

dont forget removing the crash beams if you want to drop a whole lot of weight at once chris
I weighed my car at triple T truck stop today:

2960 with about 3 gallons of gas in it. And it still has carpet and "appears" to be a street car on the inside, hahahahha. Remember i have aluminum heads, water pump, radiator, and everything else, but I also have a really heavy 3inch DUAL x pipe exhaust with two big heavy stainless steel magnaflow mufflers.


Hey Pablo.....long time no talk....how do I remove the crash beams and where are they?? Are you talking about the beams in the doors??? If so whats the procedure, I'll start gutting them my next day off
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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he's talking about that HUGE crash beam in the front of the car under the nose. i pulled mine as well. every bit helps.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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he's talking about that HUGE crash beam in the front of the car under the nose. i pulled mine as well. every bit helps.
You mean the bumper??
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 09:46 PM
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You mean the bumper??
under the bumper. I wouldn't remove it though. It's there to save your life in the event of a crash.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:26 PM
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Is it true that every 100lbs = .1 in the 1/4 mile???
my rides weighing in at 3380 without jockey + 220 pounds of pure pain personal trainer takin weight gainer in the driver seat. haha,, Its 3600.... race weight.


does anyone remove the sway bar at the track? How much weight reduction? It should make the front raise easier for better traction right??

am i crazy if i remove my rear drums and only rely on my front brakes? This is for the track only, Byron IL. dragway has a slight uphill shut down lane with alot of room too slow down... This will also reduce rotating mass weight, which will free up a few more HP....
has anyone done this?
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:38 PM
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You can remove your sway bar, and even run it on the street like that, but for ***'s sake please do not take your drums off!
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i am crazy .....
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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 04:04 PM
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good to see you are still nice and calm pablo. you always add such flavor to the threads with your retarded ranting.
here's an idea, if you don't like how people write things, stop reading....duh

later
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Old Apr 18, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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hey chris the crash beam is basically the bumper, underneath the nose, just unbolt the sucker and drop it down from underneath the nose. You dont even have to take the nose off to remove it, there will be a ton of plastic crap infront of it too. that weighs probably as much as the beam itself. there is also one in the rear but i left that one alone. You could probably drop almost 100 lbs removing both of them im guessing.


and NJspeeder i love you too man!

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