12 is so close, but I need help
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From: Quebec city, Qc
Car: 1982 camaro (13.063 @ 105.61mph)
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: T5 with a 3.27 9 bolt
12 is so close, but I need help
I went to the track last sunday for so little test and tune...
my car went 13.2-13.1 @ +/- 105 mph all day long (over 12 pass with those time) and my best 60ft was 1.801
almost got into 12 with a 13.063 @ 105.61mph with a 1.811 60ft
but even with a 1.8 60ft I could easily feel a bog out of the hole...
I have a mild 350, with an unknowed cam (it idle really smooth with 16-17" of vaccum) , 624 heads, flat top piston, performer intake, headmans headers, 3" cutout, Q-jet carb (74 primary jet with 36 or 38 primary metering rod, and I can't remember secondary rod) the float is set at .250" from the top of the bowl, I have my timing set a 37 total degree (this is where I had my best time and MPH)...
I have a 3.27 9 bolt with a tight posi, MT et drag (26X15X8.5), a T5, and I can really feel a bog out of the hole even with a 5500RPM launch (I've got many 1.8 60ft by lauching that way...) just like it is lacking torque to get momentum.
now I really want that 12 second pass and i'm pretty sure tat if I could solve this **** bog, I would be where I want.
btw if it can help I've weight my car at 3450lbs with me and half a tank of gas...
my car went 13.2-13.1 @ +/- 105 mph all day long (over 12 pass with those time) and my best 60ft was 1.801
almost got into 12 with a 13.063 @ 105.61mph with a 1.811 60ft
but even with a 1.8 60ft I could easily feel a bog out of the hole...
I have a mild 350, with an unknowed cam (it idle really smooth with 16-17" of vaccum) , 624 heads, flat top piston, performer intake, headmans headers, 3" cutout, Q-jet carb (74 primary jet with 36 or 38 primary metering rod, and I can't remember secondary rod) the float is set at .250" from the top of the bowl, I have my timing set a 37 total degree (this is where I had my best time and MPH)...
I have a 3.27 9 bolt with a tight posi, MT et drag (26X15X8.5), a T5, and I can really feel a bog out of the hole even with a 5500RPM launch (I've got many 1.8 60ft by lauching that way...) just like it is lacking torque to get momentum.
now I really want that 12 second pass and i'm pretty sure tat if I could solve this **** bog, I would be where I want.
btw if it can help I've weight my car at 3450lbs with me and half a tank of gas...
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Tighten up the AV tension a little bit.
More gear.
Known cam (say, XE274).
Properly matched intake manifold (like RPM or Stealth).
This is one application where I'd recommend a Holley (like a 650 DP) over the q-jet.
Looks like you've got the power (i.e., MPH), now you need to get the ET to match it.
(Remember, $'s/ET is not linear.)
More gear.
Known cam (say, XE274).
Properly matched intake manifold (like RPM or Stealth).
This is one application where I'd recommend a Holley (like a 650 DP) over the q-jet.
Looks like you've got the power (i.e., MPH), now you need to get the ET to match it.
(Remember, $'s/ET is not linear.)
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From: Quebec city, Qc
Car: 1982 camaro (13.063 @ 105.61mph)
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: T5 with a 3.27 9 bolt
Originally posted by five7kid
Tighten up the AV tension a little bit.
Known cam (say, XE274).
Tighten up the AV tension a little bit.
Known cam (say, XE274).
Also, why do you recommend a 650 dp over a Q-jet?
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Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
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Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
Originally posted by Dr BBS
Also, why do you recommend a 650 dp over a Q-jet?
Also, why do you recommend a 650 dp over a Q-jet?
I'd suggest at least a 750 carb.
I'd say you need a bit more gear also but then I also ran high 11's with a 3.27 geared 9 bolt years ago. I also had a lot more HP. A deeper gear will get you off the line quicker and lower the 60' time providing you can still get traction.
A 5500 rpm launch is way to high for your engine and diff gearing. You should be launching somewhere in the 2500 - 3000 range.
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Originally posted by Dr BBS
... why do you recommend a 650 dp over a Q-jet?
... why do you recommend a 650 dp over a Q-jet?
With mechanical secondaries, the re-open occurs when you hit it again.
Although you might do okay with a 750, a 650 is probably big enough to handle your engine's "real" need (CID x RPM / 3456 : a 355 shifted at 6500 would want 667 CFM assuming 100% VE). If you're concerned about bogging, don't go any bigger than necessary with a DP. The max DP CFM is dictated by the minimum RPMs you go WOT - 5500 RPM launches are not T-5 friendly. Again, you'd probably be okay with a 750 at 2500 RPM launches (see Holley.com under carb, tech info, mech secondaries), but a 650 would be sure-fire.
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Car: A Portly 85 Z28
Engine: 4.530 X 4.250 BBC
Transmission: under rated for this application
Axle/Gears: also under rated
Don`t dual plane intakes usually need to be overcarbed a bit compared to a open throat?
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From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
The theory is the larger plenum area of a single plane will reduce the pulsing seen by the carb, so you can feed a larger engine with the same size carb. But, VE is typically better with a single plane, too, so there can be an offsetting effect (if VE is less than 1, you need less carb).
People tend to overcarb. I didn't see any difference between a 650 DP and 750 DP on my 396 shifted at 5600 (dual plane intake). But, the 750 didn't hurt me, either, because it's above the line on the Holley chart.
People tend to overcarb. I didn't see any difference between a 650 DP and 750 DP on my 396 shifted at 5600 (dual plane intake). But, the 750 didn't hurt me, either, because it's above the line on the Holley chart.
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From: Hopewell Jct., N.Y.
Car: 84 Z28 Camaro
Engine: 350ci
Transmission: T-5
I have a very similar combo, mild 350, Qjet, T5 etc... but the major
difference I see is the 3:73 gears which I run. I ran 12.88 with even less MPH. That would be my recommendation. See sig for details.
difference I see is the 3:73 gears which I run. I ran 12.88 with even less MPH. That would be my recommendation. See sig for details.
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