Please tell me who is going to win! this is a VERY VERY BIG RACE.. here are the mods

i have a 1991 z28 305 tpi AUTO..
stock i beilive it is 205 hp with 285 torque

my friend has a 1998 firebird V6 AUTO...
i think it has 200hp but i dont know torque

both cars are auto.. ive ridden in both cars and his car pulls pretty hard i really dont know... can anyone please tell me the stock 1/4 miles for each car.. or who should win... or anything!! it would be very appreciated!! race is coming up soon and i really wanna know if i stand a chance.. thanks alot
~jason

 

If you're too scared to race without knowing if you'll win or not then don't race. Speed means nothing in a bracket race. Anyone can throw money into a car to go fast but that doesn't make it a good racer.

If you lose, you lose. Challange him to a bracket race instead.

Personally I'd bet on the 98 with the V6.

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Ohh you'll have him easily. I also have a 91 Z28 305 TPI auto. I just got it so it's bone stock. I havent run it yet, but will this weekend!!! I heard to expect mid 15's. Now I have seen the V-6 Camaro's and Firebirds run at a local track. The pull like low to mid 16's. So you SHOULD HAVE HIM pretty easily. My friend with a N/T Eclipse who runs 15.9's beats them, and I can beat him, so I have no doubt you'll win. Look at it this way you have close to equal hp, but you win in Torque, and you are lighter. So GOT EAT HIM UP!!!!!!!

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91'Z28 305 TPI *stock for now*

 

Auto vs auto you have him hands down. That is assuming your car is in decent tune and you both launch approximately the same. HP is about the same between the two cars but you have a boat load more torque, to the tune of 50+ ft-lbs. If you can launch well you'll eat his lunch. Again, assuming your car is running properly. This is stock vs stock BTW. You mention mods in the first sentence of your post, yet you list none for either car. If he has you outmodded then of course things could easily change.

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
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[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited March 06, 2001).]

 

im sorry i forgot to list the mods... both cars are bone stock EXCEPT... i have a flowmaster cat back.. i didnt change the old cat converter so i dont think i gained any hp off that... he added just a muffler... thats it... but he has some package... appearance package i think i dont think they had any performance ones..

 

Dude, u will win.

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Sounds like he has what used to the RS. It's just a ground effects kit.

I think you'll whip him, the mods even out.

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
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if theres anything that pisses me off more than anything, its people that think the 3.8 V6 F-bodies are a real threat. D@mn people, it aint happenin. Any 3rdgen TPI has boat loads more torque than the V6 and the HP is pretty much the same. Do the math...if the HP is the same and you have more torque, your gonna win. period. Unless your car weighs an ungodly 4,000lbs. and you'll win, especially if he's an auto too. and dont be afraid to shift your manually, it'll help. (not like your gonna need it or anything)

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1988 Pontiac GTA 5.0 TPI
-K&N Filter
-Hypertech Air Foil
-Hypertech Perf. Chip
-2.5in Flowmaster Muffler
-Catco Hi-flow Cat

Kills
94 Probe GT, 95 Mustang GT, 96 Impala SS, 85 Thunderbird 5.0, 95 Accord V6, 98 Integra VTEC, 70 Chevelle Malibu, CRX w/ Turbo and Intercooler (have it on tape to prove it)

 

well my car is in good tune and all but you see.. like my car takes off the line like, omg fast... i beat everything.. but it like looses its pull.. his v6 isnt that fast off the line but it pulls like hell... im affraid ill take him off the line but hes going to come back and beat me... this is a threat to me.. i dont have a 350tpi i have a 305 tpi auto with only 205 hp... he has 200 hp ... maybe i have 50 more torque but his freakin car is 9 years newer! all of better technology.. i just dont know.. he has auto thou which helps.... do u guys suggest taking out my sub woofer box in the back?? it weigh like a good 80 pounds or something... but does that help for traction off the line or is that ust weighin me down? thanks alot

 

if you do lose... please crash it into the nearest guardrail. The Thirdgen gene pool must be purged of unworthy vehicles.

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Bright White
5.0 TPI auto
Flowmaster 3" 2 chamber catback
Trans Go shiftkit
2000 stall converter

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Last I read the 3.8 200hp Camaro and (98 on up) 190hp 3.8 Mustang will both run mid 15's with manual tranny's. The auto will slow them down a bit, but come on - that's pretty respectable.

Barry Izold
89 T/A, GTA
Modded 350/T-5

 

it seems as "91 Z28" has no confidence in his car! man! just race the damn car you'll win!
i raced a 97 mustang v6. and i wooped him with my 91 RS, with only the open element as a mod. i dont know exactly how much horsepower they have but if i beat a stang with 170hp you certainly could beat the v6 bird. im sorry to say this but you seem to have no confidence in your car.

 

The 97 Stang v-6 has 140 hp....... I'm glad you whooped him though!!

Barry Izold
89 T/A, GTA
Modded 350/T-5

 

You see that makes me more nervous... you guys are all talking about beating mustangs that have 140hp or beating a firebird that im going to race.. except u have a faster then me or what not.. i just thought someone on here would actually know.. i dont ahve confidence in my car because its stock and every time i go to the track i beat every single freakin car off the line and i get all excited and the last second i lose... has anyone actually raced a 305tpi auto 205hp agains a 3.8 v6 98-00 firebird?

 

Well quite frankly, no 98-00 V6 Firebird WANTS to race me. And i dont see many of them around here...they're quite a rarity. I only see V6 Stangs. And when i DO see a V6 'bird, its always some middle aged woman driving it.

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1988 Pontiac GTA 5.0 TPI
-K&N Filter
-Hypertech Air Foil
-Hypertech Perf. Chip
-2.5in Flowmaster Muffler
-Catco Hi-flow Cat

Kills
94 Probe GT, 95 Mustang GT, 96 Impala SS, 85 Thunderbird 5.0, 95 Accord V6, 98 Integra VTEC, 70 Chevelle Malibu, CRX w/ Turbo and Intercooler (have it on tape to prove it)

 

Don't worry about losing. Just race and have fun! I don't see any reason why you couldn't win, if you car is in good tune!

Barry Izold
89 T/A, GTA
Modded 350/T-5

 

1991 Z-28, you'll win but you need to win the mental game first if you want to win on race day. In laymans terms if your too nerveous when you race you'll make a mistake and loose. I own a 98 Mustang V6 5speed(for sale) which is pretty even when I race fouth gen V6rs, but thirdgen tpi cars burn me bad. Thats why I'm on this board now, I brought my 90 Firebird LO3 last Sat and the Stang is up for sale. If you need a confidence booster I have a Dremel kit at home, which will help your top end a bit. Are you racing at 75-80?

 

my LO3 walks all over my friends 97 V6.....have fun man.....and i think the 91 tpi 305's had 225hp

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Right on, buddman. Why is everbody under the illusion that all auto 305 TPIs came with the peanut cam that choked them down to 205hp? All 91-92 TPI cars got the regular L98 cam whether it was a manual or auto 305 or 350. 1991 Z-28, your car's output is in the neighborhood of 225hp, and yes, you'll take that 3.8L Camaro down easily racing from a standstill. The Z has more than enough punch off the line to smoke him right there. He'll never catch up with you because there's a huge difference in your motor's low end torque and his low end torque. I've driven one of these things before - sure they go fast but you really need to wind them up. You might have trouble beating him if both of you nailed the gas doing about 40mph to begin with. In other words, if you raced like ricers. But from a standstill, you'll walk him. There's no doubt about it, provided that you manage to keep your **** together. Going into any race with that mindset never helps - you're prone to screwing up if you're nervous. Believe us when we say that you can beat him. You will.

BTW, when you hear people over here telling you about how they beat late model 6 cylinder stangs, remember that the 6 cylinder 'stangs are in fact quicker than 6 cylinder f-bodies.

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Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
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Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
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Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

 

not true, the V6 f bods must be faster than the new v6 stangs. My friends grand prix GT (non supercharged) takes v6 stangs all the time so with a lighter f body in a 5 spd will sloughter a stang v6

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bright red exterior(just repainted)
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4 wheel disks
16 inch wheels
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Sorry, V6 Mustangs are lighter than V6 Camaros. My V6 Stang has yet to be beaten by a Grand Prix(except GTP), but I have dual exhaust and intake mods. I can say from 1st hand experience that V6 Stangs and Camaros are almost identical in speed. Drivers are what make the diffrence in a race between these two cars.

 

Probably because the official line is that they did get the peanut cam, and that the official rating is indeed 205hp. A few people think they might have all gotten the better cam, but I'm not sure I buy it.

About the v6 stang vs fbody, the 3.8l 200 hp v6 4th gens are about even w/ the new, 99+ Stang V6s (190hp). The 93-95 3.4l 160hp V6 4th gens are about even w/ the pre-98 Stang V6s (150hp). Take a look at the 1/4 times for both from around the net and you'll see the 3.8l fbody spanks the 150hp Stangs (stock of course).


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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited March 11, 2001).]

 

OK MAN!!! It's me again. I just ran my car (91 Z28 305 TPI auto) BONE STOCK!!!! Not even as much as a K&N Filter, and got a 15.01 with a bad 60ft time of 2.291. So you WILL BEAT HIM, no doubt go do it!!!!!

 

thats interesting about the better cam putting out 225 hp... how would i go about checking that ? and are u kidding me man, a 15.01 ?? that would make my day! everyone on here and i talk to in person said i should expect mid 15's.. and that my friends firebird should be mid to high 15's.. well i think this sunday is looking good for the race, but its suppose to pour rain so im not sure, but the local track is only open on sundays so hopefully i will know soon what i can do, i really hope i beat him because he talks so much trash to everyone how my car is old and slow and lost all its hp, i'm gonna show this boy up with his brand new pretty firebird

 

Ok also i have a very important question... why is it that when i floor it.. it goes like WELL into the red.. i mean like almost to the max it can go.. when i race off the line if i floor it, it doesnt change till its in like the damn 6.5 or 7 , and if im going say like 15 mph and i floor it, it goes straight all the way into the red is this bad??? i thought having an automatic you didnt have to worry about that stuff

 

Yeah man, get back to me after you run. I wanna hear all about your times. As for trying to tell if your car is like mine, I have no clue. From what I hear there is no way to tell (Unless you run it). I'm still looking into more about our cars, and if mine even is special. Anyone can IM my name is Crusing270 (just like my name on here)

 

Whoa that sounds odd!!! Thats not what any normal auto will do. Mine shift pretty much exactly at redline, never even near 6000. You may wana stop flooring it till someone can figure out why its doing that. I can't think of any good explanation for that right now, but if I do i'll get back to you

 

yeah as for me my IM name is GotACamaro,, also you spelled your IM name on the post lol

 

If your car is not shifting until 6000+ rpm then no wonder everyone is blowing by you at higher speeds. That is wayyy to high to be shifting a 305 TPI auto to get the best performance (not to mention that's bad for the motor). 5000 rpm would be a good figure to aim for.

I'd readjust your TV cable real quick (look in tech articles or FAQ here for instructions) and see if that doesn't fix part of the prob, although I don't think it will hold shifts that long, might have to have some work done... (although it could just be the stock tach is screwed, I'm not sure a stock 305 TPI auto will physically rev much past 6000+ anyway, especially 6500+ without blowing up).

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited March 13, 2001).]

 

You will kick his a s s everywhere!!! Dont worry and keep your head in the race.


"BTW, when you hear people over here telling you about how they beat late model 6 cylinder stangs, remember that the 6 cylinder 'stangs are in fact quicker than 6 cylinder f-bodies."


Actually the 99 and up V-6 mustangs are quicker than the V-6 camaros but the 94-98 mustangs are dogs and have only about 150 hp.


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92 RS
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-K&N Crankcase breather
-Kenwood CD head unit
-Kenwood 6x9 speakers in rear.
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Just got back from the track this weekend. My friend has a 98 V6 Camaro completely stock, and he ran a 15.2. Just thought I'd throw that at ya. Let us know who wins.

 

i am the guy ovrclck350 mentioned that ran a 15.2 last weekend....and it is a 96 3.8...The 15.2 was my first ever run on a track and i had a terrible reaction time and sucky 60ft time so my car is more than capable of running lower times...possibly even high 14's and it is completely STOCK, right down to a paper fram filter. never under estimate v6 power. and also, i have yet to meet any v6 mustang that was a challenge...including the new ones...

just thought i would provide some more info....

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[This message has been edited by QuartermilePrime (edited April 02, 2001).]

 

i recently raced a v6 camaro in phoenix but i am not sure the exact year i know it was a newer one. i had my friend in the car who loves rice and some middle age dude with a young girlfriend tried to race me without me knowing(cheap shot)... i met him at a later stoplight and introduced him to my finger...he couldnt keep up and i embarassed him with his daughter i mean girlfriend in the car...
Shawn
that guy above me running 15.2 stock must know how to drive especially since he believes he can run 14's you should spank that v6

[This message has been edited by pimpintheRS (edited April 02, 2001).]

 

Hey, don't doubt he ran a 15.2 stock, he was in the lane next to me, it's on my timeslip too. Are you sure that you raced a 3.8 and not a 3.4?

EDIT: BTW, both our reaction times were in the 1.161 range (first time out) so i think if he worked on it, he may be able to hit the high 14's.

[This message has been edited by Ovrclck350 (edited April 03, 2001).]

 

You've fallen into the same line of thinking I had when I first started drag-racing: a better reaction time give a better 1/4-mile time. Well, it doesn't in regular test-n-tune. A better 60-foot times helps a lot, giving about 1 1/2 times the gain in the 1/4-mile. I've seen mildly-modded 3.8 V6 4th-gens hitting high 14's, so you're almost there.

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Greg Westphal
'87 IROC 305TPI/A4

 

my 60ft time on the 15.2 run was a 2.22..so i have a little room for improvement and i said i "MIGHT" hit HIGH 14's...and the only reason i posted here was because my former car was 305 tpi that i put in my 89 RS and haven driven both, i know what which one of mine is faster. but don't look at numbers all day, just get out there and race

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