look at this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2457589666

 

Could possibly be nice, but Id have a VERY hard time justifying that much money without seeing the product, both seperate parts, and installed on a car.

 

true,but hella interesting huh.....:lala:

 

Yes, very interesting. Id especially like to see the headers/manifolds first.

 

Anyone besides me get a kick out of how the price on that setup keeps going higher but if you've been tracking his auctions he's never had anyone meet his reserve price/buy it now price.

I suspect I know why he isn't showing pics of the headers/manifolds…

 

because they are icky logs?

 

Or because they likely look like crap?

There are two photos there. The uglier one is one that the same user posted a fairly decent amount of time ago. single turbo for sale. Then, a couple weeks back, there was that NICE looking turbo kit for sale. Thats the GOOD looking photo in this auction. ANd Im pretty sure it wasnt posted by this guy.

Does that seem shady to anyone else?

Does the fact that he is showing a single turbo, on a twin turbo auction sound shady? Does the fact that he HAS PICTURES but not of the items he is selling seem shady?

 

Hey man, logs RULE!!

 

Guido, I don't think this is the same guy that sold the single turbo setup some time ago (about a year ago now) as he was located in Peurto Rico and this guy says he is in the US. It was also under a different username.

I very much enjoy that turbo setup and deffinately do not regret buying it. It propelled my around the entire country after a quicky install and only getting it running the day before I left on the trip!

 

The main thing that worries me is this: for his twin setup, he says he has no pictures because he hasnt installed it on his test car... so how the hell does he know it fits??? Seems like a bunch of BS to me.

 

BBSDesigns = Bunch of BullSh t Designs.

 

1) He is from PR, his feedback makes mention
2) He does have 100% positive feedback..

-- Joe

 

Hi, I know you all there are asking yourselfs if its for real, well yes it is. I have pictures of the actual single turbo setup. I am in the search of a new video/digital camera, as soon I get I will take pictures of every part and post them in here and on new auctions.
Thank you,
Edgardo Bermudez

 

Thanks Edgardo, could really help your standing in our small community.

 

He has been sending me e-mail lately as he didn't know that I was on this board.

I would not hestitate, if you where in the market for a turbo system, to buy a setup from him. I bought a partial setup and that worked out great, I can't imagine how great his turbo setup will be. Besides that, he is a great person. He overnighted my Turbo kit because it took him longer then expected to make the emblems I requested, which costed him well above what I paid for shipping. Plus, the emblems he makes (laser cut, polished) are absoltely BEAUTIFUL! I put them on my car before the National Gathering and was blown away by how they look on my car.

Hopefully this can become the first true turbo kit for our cars!

 

any pic's?

 

Of mine? Yeah, I do have some.

The T04B, freshly rebuilt


The intercooler


Driver side completed


Passenger side completed

 

Amorget, what kind of boost numbers are you getting with that t04b? Im getting a turbo with very similar flow charachteristics to a t04b, and am pretty curious. Unfortunatley at the moment, I dont have the A/R... will wednsday or thursday though!

 

I had the wastegate set for 5 psi because I never got a chance to really tune the motor. However, it made 5 psi at like 2500 RPMs. I have no doubt it could make 15. That was also with some pretty serious exhaust leaks.

 

Is the intercooler mounted in front of the radiator. Why both pipes to the intercooler on the same side. Any more pictures?

 

any pics of the manifold?

 

The reason I mounted the intercooler where I did was because I deemed it the best place to mount it. I found it to be rather effectice as it never seemed to heat up. I don't want it right next to the rad because then it would just transfer heat, and there really isn't much space to put it anywhere else.

Reason for both pipes on the same side was that I did not want to relocate my battery as if I take it to the track NHRA rules require a cut off switch, which is kinda a PITA on most street cars. I just had to relocate the charcol canister and the coolant overflow tank.

As for more pics, nope, sorry....

 

Thanks alot for the info man. Thats a nice looking setup you have there!

 

Yeah, no problem, PM me if there is anything specific you need to know

 

Hi, for those interested in the BBSDesigns turbo system I arrange a group of pictures, email me for the complete package.

PS. how can I post more that one picture if the size is too big?

 

More BBSDesigns single turbo pictures!!, for complete package email me!!! BermudezBrainStormingDesigns@hotmail.com

 

Hi email me for more pics!!! at BermudezBrainStormingDesigns@hotmail.com

 

I've got to admit, as skeptic as I was at first... you have a really nice kit designed there! I really like how neatly everything is designed, which is key in my book. Do you have any pics of the drivers side for your twin setup?

Keep up the great work!!!

 

That turbo setup looks great. Now lets see the tt setup that we're all waiting for.

 

I'll say it again here also...... Nice work... verry nice.

Wating to see some TT headers now.

 

How about the A/C? That downpipe looks pretty big, I was curious how it fits down past the A/C evap box. Thats great if you can run A/C and use a downpipe that big. Certainly could be a lot of potential in this set-up.

 

Yes, you can run A/C with this setup, but only if using "V" belt(compressor located at drivers side) or relocating the compressor.
The down pipe runs close, but it dosent burn anything or thouches anything. I am planning on doing a kit for serpentine belt setup, which relocates the turbo more to the back, like the one I sold to "Amorget RS" (check the threads above). The downpart is that the turbo's compressor housing can't be as large as this one.

 

I had to take out the A/C box and cut it, refiberglass to make it fit with the downpipe on my system. However, with a custom header setup it should fit.

 

For those asking about the A/C, if you are running a "V" belt pulley(multiple belt) setup wont have any problem at all. Cars that have the serpentine (one belt) setup will have four options; a)change to "V" belt
b) relocate the compressor
c) delete the A/C
or
d) wait until I make the kit that solves that problem, which is in my next projects, as soon I have finished two more twin turbo setups

 

I was just eyeballing this system. If you were to use a procharger intercooler and piping, you could run the boost into the pass side of the intercooler piping and out of the drivers side which would go into the TB basically reversing the flow direction as the ATI blower would normally run. Just something to consider.

 

Yeah, but then I have to *pay* for the ATI intercooler system

 

I couldn't agree more. I wouldnt want to *pay* for a kit if I could buy the important parts from other sources and put the rest together not only cheaper, but exactly the way I want it to be.

As an example, to continue with this thought; Eduardo, how much would the turbo header itself be?

 

I asked him about that and he said he wasn't going to sell the header pipes seperate. Kit only.

 

heh yeah, but I guess thats ok?

actually, I can't knock it. It is cool someone is selling "something" I will be directing any turbo kit searchers his way thats for sure.

But there is still an absence for a regular turbo header with the positioning/layout of this type...Guido?

 

Of what type? Like the last one I built??

 

I think he means like this design.. simple no need for the car in hand. just a motor on a stand..

 

maybe more header "like" and yes, without needing the car to do it.

Dare I use the word universal? but something with the rear primary having room for the downpipe to pass by it and just knowing that it would get the job done for just about everyone with only maybe some loss of function of say the A/C or some accessory braket change in that area.

 

I dont want to bag on BBS's design because it looks as if it works really well. But I like the totally tubular header idea. Does it help or hurt? Who knows. a design like his would likely work for 90% of the people around this board who are potential buyers. I could make something like that. I prefer something more tubular than even his design though.

 

well I meant for you to make a more tubular design. I think there is nothing wrong with his design either. the fact that it is more log like is offset by the idea that it uses a very large main tube. I agree, this gives people a turbo kit option that is competitive with a blower kit price and packaging and fits most peoples needs

But yes Guido, I did mean for you to build just a header, that is tubular in design, that any person could buy from you, that takes into account the need to get a down tube by it. I thought we had discussed this in a previous post too a while back. I would like to see either you sell them directly or get rich offering it as a prototype to the cheaper side of the header industry (hedman, mac, etc.) the mere fact that it would fit in a tight thirdgen compartment, means that it would fit in a variety of other older GM applications.

 

Its tough to tuck a turbo as far back behind the AC as BBS's design is. You about have to go with a log. It looks like even in his design the front primary is ran into the wastegate duct. I realize that manifold pressure will push it where it wants to go but I dont consider that an OPTIMUM design and as such I wouldnt even build a header that way.

THAT IS JUST ME. I am hard on myself when it comes to building stuff. Ive always been an artistic type so Im my biggest critic. LOL

That being said, it IS possible, its just tough.

When I have garage space to deal with again, Id like to try another thirdgen turbo setup. I learned a lot from the last one.

 

yes I agree his system would be great for those with that kind of need to retain full street stuff, but what if you made one for those that didnt care about A/C etc. I mean gotta give up something right?

 

The one I recently made could be used for that.

 

yes but didnt it have a more tilted layout?

 

How much power can two T61's support....in theory that is, intercooled...water injection...whatever. just curious.

Thanks in advance for your wisdom...im a turbo moron

 

How much can the bottom end of your motor handle?!!

I'm not an expert, but I think in an ideal setup, 1k plus is possible, maybe even more. Key word: ideal setup. One thousand HP is not easy to come by, even with two good turbos and a lot of boost. It requires well thought out system with components that work together. I'm curious to see what you guys with more experience think.