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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 12:59 PM
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possibility of repeated NOS hits on motor?

nothing fancy, just a setup similar to the games, were you can hit the nos button more than once. I know theres rpm-set double shots, but i want it button activated. either consecutive 50 or 75hp shots. would a motor blow setup like this?
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 01:02 PM
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So you want a manual progressive nitrous setup?
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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lol, if thats what its called i guess, 2 75 hp shots that go at the press of a button.
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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Why would you want that?
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 08:13 PM
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No problem with that little bit. But Why? unless of course you are street racing and want to "pedal it" in high gear so you don't beat anybody by to much.


Sounds like I have done this before, huh
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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I think he thinks nitrous in real life is like it is in the games.

In games, you hit the nitrous and it gives you 75 hp for a second and then you're back to nothing.

You don't need "two hits" in the real world. As long as you hold the button, that's as long as you have an extra 75 hp.

Last edited by nightrider87; Nov 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM.
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 11:10 PM
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umm, no, i know how long nos actually lasts, the timing retards, cold plugs,etc im not new to any of that. just a simple double shot set up that i can release 75 at whenever i want. maybe i wanna run a race with just 75 added, hit one button. better competition hit one button early the other late. Or just one big 150hp shot, but why not be creative about it.
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 11:11 PM
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hmm, i thought it only sprayed so much at one time, itrs continous if you hold the switch?
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by comatose 88 WS6
hmm, i thought it only sprayed so much at one time, itrs continous if you hold the switch?
YES that's what i said...I said, Hey, he doesn't know how it works. (which is fine) you got defensive...then realized you didn't know how it works. COOL
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 11:24 PM
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I liked the video game reference myself.
BUT actually he is correct. It won't really give you 75hp if you only hit it quick. The progressive boxes pulse the solenoids to give it a soft hit. So theroeticly (spelling) he could do the same thing.

If you do plan on hitting it a lot, stock up on rebuild kits for the N20 solenoid and put a safty one in that comes on once while you are *video gaming* the other.
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 03:33 AM
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sounds like you need a two-stage system, we do a box that simulates the effect without needing extra solenoids and plumbing-when you hit WOT it pulses and gives you 50% power with a cab mounted buton that will open them fully and give you 100%
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 09:17 AM
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does it have a fuel offset?
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 09:48 AM
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The *extra* solenoid is for saftey, it does not pulse but does turn on when the pulsing one activates. You put it in line before the pulsing one on the n20 side. You really shorten up the solenoids life when you pulse it.
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 10:04 AM
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as standard it does not ahve an offset but if you want one let me know the delay time required and ill put one in for you (free of charge)
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 11:10 AM
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im very intrested in this, do you have any pics or product specs?
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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goddam pc just deleted my post!!!! ill attatch an instruction sheet below, we sell them at £100gbp, will try and add a photo, the page on my website is down at the moment so i cant link you to it
2-STEP CONTROLLER incorporating TPS pick up INSTRUCTIONS

1. Mount unit close to TPS on vehicle , try to avoid exposure to direct heat or road spray .
The unit is waterproof but can be damaged by excessive heat .
2. Connect the ring terminal to a good earth.
3. Connect the RED wire to a positive supply after the ignition switch.
4. Connect the WHITE wire to the wiper contact on the TPS sensor of the vehicle.
5. Connect the GREEN wire to the 'full power' switch
the othe side of this switch is connected to ground.
6. Connect the BLUE wire to the nitrous system , the output is ground to activate the system . A relay may be required on certain systems .
The output can drive 20A so can be directly connected to the solenoids on up to 150BHP systems . Larger solenoids may also require a relay.
The output will also directly drive most types of progressive controllers .

To setup

With the throttle CLOSED , hold down the small black button on the unit and whilst holding turn on the ignition.
Let go of the button and observe the LED lights for 2-3 seconds . This indicates the OFF position has been measured and logged by the unit .
When the LED goes out , OPEN the throttle to maximum , press the button and let go .The LED will light again , then go out . This indicates the open position has been measured and logged.
The unit is now ready for use .
To test open the throttle and observe the LED lights just before full throttle.
To perform a function test on the nitrous system or override the TPS sensor at any time , the black button can be pressed to activate the output ( shown by the LED also lighting up).

The unit will automatically detect if the TPS voltage is increasing or decreasing as the throttle is opened.

To Operate 2-step system

When the throttle is opened the output will pulse at 50% , for full power press the 'power' button and let go , the output will now switch to 100% power.
When the throttle is closed and re-opened the unit will revert to 50% until the button is pressed again.
For full power when re-applying the throttle , or if full power is required from the start, hold down the 'power' button before ,or as, the thottle is opened.
The power button can be linked to a gear switch to automatically set 50% in 1st , then switch to 100% at 2nd .
If the 50% feature is not required the GREEN wire can be permantly connected to earth .
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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:lala: yipee the piccy worked:lala:
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 01:55 PM
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anyone know the conversion to us dollars? also do you ship world wide, why do the europeans have an the cool widgets first?
even the taxis are bmw's.
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by cyipher
anyone know the conversion to us dollars? also do you ship world wide, why do the europeans have an the cool widgets first?
even the taxis are bmw's.
£100 is roughly $185.5 at the moment.
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Old Nov 5, 2004 | 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by twisted sanity
[B]...... goddam pc just deleted my post!!!! ill attatch an instruction sheet below, we sell them at £100gbp....B]
Twisted Sanity:- I take it you one of the guys from Twisted Sanity down in Hertfordshire? By the way, it's best to get into the habit with these boards, if that problem happens, of copying all the typed info before trying to submit it. You don't have to ask why I started doing that!
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 12:40 AM
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Yes were the guys from hertfordshire with the Hybrid-Rocket car (which did a 0-60mph time of 2.2 secs):lala:
i will ship anything anywhere(almost) within reason-i'm also very interested in finding dealers over in the USA for all the electronics we do-we designed and built one of the first Maximiser controllers that was sold by N.X.
We will be closed for December this year as well(jamaica here i come)
regards
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by biggtime
The *extra* solenoid is for saftey, it does not pulse but does turn on when the pulsing one activates. You put it in line before the pulsing one on the n20 side. You really shorten up the solenoids life when you pulse it.
I donno… I keep hearing that and to be honest, I don’t think I’ve seen it in real life. At least not with NX solenoids. Using a Jacobs NMM I have yet to rebuild a NX ‘noid, but I did find that normal, bosch style relays were almost worthless and tended to weld their contacts together after 2-3 runs… the NX relays are fine and I suspect that they are internally just bosch style relays with a cap or diode added.

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6. Connect the BLUE wire to the nitrous system , the output is ground to activate the system . A relay may be required on certain systems .
The output can drive 20A so can be directly connected to the solenoids on up to 150BHP systems . Larger solenoids may also require a relay.


Huh, exactly the deal that I was describing with the NX ‘noids… and their standard ones probably do draw more then 20A. What kind of relays are you using? How fast are you pulsing the solenoids? Do you have a separate output for the fuel and the n2o solenoid (to really get this right you need to pulse the fuel and n2o solenoid at different rates)?

The output will also directly drive most types of progressive controllers .


? why would you use this to drive a progressive controller?

To setup

With the throttle CLOSED , hold down the small black button

The unit will automatically detect if the TPS voltage is increasing or decreasing as the throttle is opened.


That’s pretty cool… TPS detection. Some of the aftermarket ECM’s do that deal also, where you “calibrate” the TPS by showing it closed and wot instead of trying to adjust it like the OEM guys do. Just being nosey (meaning I’ll understand if you don’t want to say), what kind of circuit do you use for this?

To Operate 2-step system
FWIW, I know it’s hard not to, but be careful of this stuff sounding like an advertisement for your products… most boards have pretty strict rules about this kind of stuff without being a “paying sponsor”
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 01:42 AM
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do try to avoid spamming and usually only offer info or a link if it would be usefull, please feel free to delete anything inappropriate,, The electrickery is done by my buisness partner but ill ask what circuit it is for you-the 2-stage and tps units we sell have similar boards and the main difference is the software.many companies do not include a tps with there controllers, bit of a misprint type thingy
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