BDR

well after a while of buying parts etc.. the engine is finally put together...

http://www.BartonekDragRacing.com/we...gine_small.jpg

I have basically every part I need.. next week I take it to my friends shop for the install/fabrication etc.. its going to run twin Master Power T-70 p-trim turbos, blowing through a CSU 850 carb, Snow Perf. water/methanol stage 2 kit , pro-topline alum. heads, solid roller cam, forged rot. assy...etc..

heres a pic of the carb and bonnet:
http://www.BartonekDragRacing.com/we...b_n_bonnet.jpg



I'll post more pics as the buildup progresses..

junkcltr

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Nice setup. That should make some big HP numbers. The two MPs are a good choice. What style headers/manifolds are you planning to use? The .com on the hat looks strange/silly. I would have been kind of POed to see that on the new parts I bought.

BDR

my friend is going to fabricate a set for me. I bought 16 gauge header tubing from Summit so that is the material they will be made out of.

BDR

pics of motor in car

http://www.bartonekdragracing.com/we...0/dsc_0004.jpg

the twins:
http://www.bartonekdragracing.com/we...0/dsc_0005.jpg


did the brake booster delete mod.. LOL. going to buy a wilwood master cylinder for extra clearance. The turbos are going to be off sitting "on top" of the motor off to each side..so the hood needs modification also.
I didnt bother posting all the parts I have..kinda boring I think. So I'll just post progress as it happens.

junkcltr

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Looks good to far. Those MP turbines look like they have T4 flanges. What did you pick for the turbine A/R?

automec

looks good .

the CSU guys are great! thhey know what they are doing with the blow through's.

BDR

junkcltr: Its been a few months since I bought them.. dont know off the top of my head..when I go to the shop I'll check. Yes they are T4 flange.

automec: yep!! Keith is a smart dude.. even before I bought my carb they were very helpful.. I read nothin but good stuff about them and figured it was a no-brainer.

KillerZ302

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Nice set up. You are going to make some huge power out those things.
I am still having tuning issues with my homemade holley blow thru carb. Can you please tell me how much you paid for the carb itself? I have been debating on buying a CSU or to keep trying to tune my holley. Just want to know how much? Did you send them a carb, or did you just by it from them?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Boosted V-8's Rule!!!!!!

junkcltr

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Check out the www.turbomustangs.com blow-thru carb section. There is quite a bit of cars running the CSU carbs. Never read one bad post about them. Some mention price & stuff.

BDR

KillerZ: I bought the 850 directly from them. It was $830 and $160 (?) for the bonnet. But junkctlr is right, CSU gets it done right..good tech support also. You can send them your carb and they will mod it.. I thought about doing that but figured it would be easier to just buy it brand new from them.

KillerZ302

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Well thanks a lot. I will Look into them.
Keep up the good work.

BDR

Here ya go fellow hotrodders... update on my motor.. headers coming up!!!

xpndbl3

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sexy

junkcltr

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That looks good. It is probably the best fab setup I have seen. You do nice work.

BDR

I wish I could take credit for that.. LOL ... Gene @ Mosmeyer Automotive is doing all the work.. I just watch and admire the results..LOL

BDR

pics of the passenger side header.. one tube left to go.. its tack welded then will be tig welded once it is done.

Dan W

Nice looking build, can't wait to see it finished. I'm working on a similar setup and have everything I need to finish it but need... except confidence in my tig skills. I'd hate to ruin my 321 stainless bends, collectors and flanges.

Is it going to be a dragrace only car? I'm keeping mine more street / open roadrace orientated so I want to keep my booster and possibly convert to anti-locks later. I've decided to go with a remote master cylinder ... some of the street rod guys do this if they dont have room on their firewalls for the booster. The kits use a mechanical linkage or a hyd slave cylinder like a hyd. clutch to actuate the master cylinder setup. I think I'm going to put mine in the rear but another option is to mount it inside the dash where the heater box was.

I hate to take the post off topic but that looks like a fuel pressure regulator monted to the firewall. I've been told that having fuel system components on the firewall is against NHRA rules. Maybe someone with a rule book can clairify if this is true.

BDR

Dan W:

no its going to be a street car. I have a remote master cyl also. You are right about the FPR on the firewall.. the tech guy at the track must have missed it on my original setup.. LOL.

I'll keep this updated as it progresses.. TIG welder should be at Gene's shop Friday/Monday so we should see finished headers soon

BDR

both headers are fabbed up and tack welded..need to be tig welded and coated..

urls to the pics:

one of my Tial wastegates...
http://www.bartonekdragracing.com/tw..._wastegate.jpg

pic of the headers:
http://www.bartonekdragracing.com/tw...h_headers2.jpg

Dan W

Lookin good!

camarokev400

wow.... awesome car. Any idea what the hp will be cant imagine a 406 with 2 turbos. Are you using an aftermarket block?

wezeles

i really like that setup looks like it wouldnt be hard to work on eaither... the BBS kit rolls them on top of the valve covers it fits under a 3rd gen hood but i imagine a pain to work on most of it that setup is gonna keep it nice and outta the way... all i know is ive seen plenty of sbc twin turbo build ups hitting 1200hp with just a 355 i couldnt even think of what that 406 will push out... just dont turn that car into a pretzel

BDR

camarokev400:
yes its a Dart Little M block o-ringed, eagle rot. assy, JE turbo pistons, pro-topline alum. heads, Doug Herbert custom solid roller, pro-magnum rockers etc.


wezeles: yep I can reach the spark plugs and pull the valve covers w/o any problems.

thank you for the replies..glad you'all are enjoying the pics.

crazyjim

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Interested to see where this is going...


Since you're doing blow thru, what are you doig about boost retard curve? What kind of ignition, just an MSD with piggy back boost retard system? Curious because I'm heading down the exact same road


If you're still undecided... check out this link: Programmable Digital-7 w/Boost Retard Curve, PN 7535

That paired with a nice Wideband o2 and you just may be a happy man. Once the wound heals in your wallet. That's probably the route I'll be taking though.

BDR

start a thread for your project...I'm interested... I think I've scoured the entire power adder section for turbo installs. New reading material is always good!

I have a MSD-6ABTM box. I like that Digital7 though. The 6ABTM is the same ignition I used on my roots blown 68. Worked perfect so I'm sure it will work fine here. The WB-02..I'm going to buy a gauge kit that I will use seperately (LM-1 ? I think its called that).. Pretty much as you see it is how it will run. I'll have the snow performance stage 2 kit installed on there to inject per # of boost. Now that my friends TIG is in..I'm going to see if he's up to fabbing up a set of intercoolers after the car is done.

blyth18md

build me a set of those headers while youre at it :-D

BDR

here's a update.. headers are basically done.. Gene is going to completely finish the tubing for the air inlet before he fabs up a housing for the fans. coming along nicely.

BDR

another update...

junkcltr

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Lookin' Good. It's going to be tight with the fans up front and an IC. It might be easier to skip the IC and spray it with water/alky/meth instead.

BDR

I'm not going to run a I/C. The radiator looks closer then it actually is.. it moves forward about 2" ..its just not bolted down.

BDR

updates...

Dan W

Why the heat barrier over the tubing between the turbos and the intake? Seems unusual and I wonder why you would want hold in the hot air from the turbos.

BDR

i'm not holding the hot air *from* the turbos..thats the inlet into the carb hat.. The radiator fans will be blowing hot air onto that tubing so I wanted that shielded.

Dan W

Hmm... Do you have a compressor chart for your turbos? How much boost do you plan on running?

BDR

no chart...look it up on google.

9# initially and about 15-18 later on.

Dan W

yeah, I looked briefly but didnt find it right away so i thought I'd ask...

Look into it though... i bet your compressor discharge temps will be higher than your ambient temps behind the radiator. Can't wait to see you finish it and get it dialed in... bad *** ride.

matt_p

Could you perhaps get the inlet tubing ceramic coated? Resist heat and not look so ugly.

1bad88droptop

do u think it would be a good idea to use a 74 400 2 bolt main block?

slowfast

This is exzactly what Im looking for, I have a rebuilt 400 with a unknown aftermarket cam and stock heads. how much boost would you run through one of theese? If i did do this i couldnt be able to afford heads.

ditchbangr

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Seems circle track guys have found the limits of a 400 block to be about 600hp. Remember they are running 7500/8000 rpm continuous. That is what my machinist has told me.

GodSpeedGTA

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really nice looking work...congrats

but DEF ditch the dryer hose and get the intake ceramic coated
just looks trashy around all that good work

BDR

its not dryer hose btw..

block is a Dart block... you can get away with a 400 block, just run splayed caps if you are going to put some power through it. I think I'll end up removing the heat shield but not ceramic coating it.

GodSpeedGTA

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i know its not dryer hose but you have to admit from the pics it looks really similar...just get it out of there so your setup will look 100% kick a$$

good luck with the rest of your build
how much did you pick up the dart block for and what internals did you use if you dont mind me askin?

BDR

the block was around $1600, internals are eagle crank, rods, JE pistons

BDR

air intake tube...


boost reference etc.


fuel regulator relocated...

getit

Runnin that boost you better have a aftermarket block!! Man that is one of the cleanest installs ever. Are the manifolds/headers ceramic coated? How fast you lookin to run?

BDR

its a Dart block...

no ceramic coating. not looking for any specific ET's. 9's would be nice but i'm not really interested in that at this point.. just wanna put out about 750RWHP and work my way up.

BDR

alot of work has been done.. the fuel lines were all replaced w/braided, boost lines were installed, intake tapped for boost reference etc.. everything is basically done.. what is left is to fabricate a shroud for the electric fans, hook up the transmission cooler, oil cooler, lower radiator hose and a v-belt.

boostedv6

That's a really clean setup. But if you're looking for 750 hp, why arn't you running an intercooler?

BDR

I'll get one later.