91bluebird305TBI

I have a 88 camaro with a 2.8l MFI i wanna hit high 12s or low 13s soon. Is there any power adders for it of any kind? Will i be in the 12's or close with one of them? THANKS

GMI FAST

No offense, dude, but you couldn't run a 12-second time if you dropped the car off a cliff! That 2.8L is pushing that slug to mid-16's at best. It would take a small miracle to make that kind of power, even if you sprayed the hell out of it. Your best bet is to do a V8 swap, el pronto! Can't imagine how expensive it would be to build up a 400hp 2.8L...

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1989 T/A, 400" CNC Bow-Tie tall-deck, JE 8.5:1, Eagle 6" rods, Crower roller cam, AFR heads, Accel Pro-Ram intake, 1200-cfm t/b, DFI, 72# inj., S/X fuel system, HRC T76 turbosystem, NOS 150-hp dry fogger, TH400 w/GV overdrive, 12-bolt w/3.70's, Baer Track brakes, 18X9.5 wheels, P275/35ZR18 Nittos, Spohn suspension, S/T springs, KYB AGX shocks/struts, Corbeau Targa RS seats, TeamTech 5-point harnesses, Sparco steering wheel, MacEwen white gauge overlays, Phantom gauges/tach, B&M Pro Stick w/carbon-fiber ****, REAL carbon-fiber dash/console kit (don't ask), S&W 8-point rollbar, Lonza aluminum pedal covers, Pioneer/Boston Acoustics stereo system, filled side markers, Audi clear fender marker lights, custom clear front turn signals, custom clear taillights, IMSA-style cowl hood (don't ask), custom medium Intense Blue pearl paint, tinted glass. Whew!

Best ET w/383" S-trim: 10.796 @ 125.8 mph
Best ET w/400" turbo, nitrous: Summer 2001

Member of Midwest F-Body Association www.mfba.org

91bluebird305TBI

the car ran a 16.8 so don't dis it buddy. I can beat alot of 305 tbi's already. I also have a 91 firebird with a 305 tbi and it runs a 14.89 almost all stock. For real my friend has a lumina with a 3.8 supercharged engine and he runs 11's.

JAYDUBB

Uh huh. Really? What transmission is he running? Whats the weight of the car? Is it a 3800 series 2 or a series 1? Or is it a 3.4? If its a series 2, which blower? Is it a Eaton M90? How much boost? Is it intercooled? What type of fuel does he run? Whats his 60ft time? What MPH does he run the quarter at?

GMI FAST

Settle down, tough guy. I believe I said mid-16's at best. You just said 16.8. How is that a dis? You expect to drop 4 seconds from your ET with a 2.8L engine? Man you have a LOT of homework to do on THAT project. 11-second Lumina, huh? I thought Luminas came with 3.1L and 3.4L Chevy-based engines. I didn't realize they started using Buick-based 3.8L supercharged engines. Hmmm...

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1989 T/A, 400" CNC Bow-Tie tall-deck, JE 8.5:1, Eagle 6" rods, Crower roller cam, AFR heads, Accel Pro-Ram intake, 1200-cfm t/b, DFI, 72# inj., S/X fuel system, HRC T76 turbosystem, NOS 150-hp dry fogger, TH400 w/GV overdrive, 12-bolt w/3.70's, Baer Track brakes, 18X9.5 wheels, P275/35ZR18 Nittos, Spohn suspension, S/T springs, KYB AGX shocks/struts, Corbeau Targa RS seats, TeamTech 5-point harnesses, Sparco steering wheel, MacEwen white gauge overlays, Phantom gauges/tach, B&M Pro Stick w/carbon-fiber ****, REAL carbon-fiber dash/console kit (don't ask), S&W 8-point rollbar, Lonza aluminum pedal covers, Pioneer/Boston Acoustics stereo system, filled side markers, Audi clear fender marker lights, custom clear front turn signals, custom clear taillights, IMSA-style cowl hood (don't ask), custom medium Intense Blue pearl paint, tinted glass. Whew!

Best ET w/383" S-trim: 10.796 @ 125.8 mph
Best ET w/400" turbo, nitrous: Summer 2001

Member of Midwest F-Body Association www.mfba.org

[This message has been edited by GMI FAST (edited March 05, 2001).]

bub

you could do it a guy on the v6 message board
is in the 13s with a 3.1 just got it tuned
and thats in a 91 fbird


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89ProchargedROC

the only 4 banger motors that can run, from the factory with no aftermarket kits, are the Dodge 2.2 and 2.5 turbo motors. My buddy has a couple and we are pushing them to the limit from the help of others. he has a 14 second minivan with the stock tiny turbo and will have a mid 13 second daytona with a stock turbo. cant wait to put the new turbo on and run some 12s or better

GMI FAST

We have a customer with a 1994 Talon AWD. 12.40's on a stock turbo...

89ProchargedROC

damn it...forgot about those. funny thing too since i always wanted one for a daily driver....what did you once tell me dan....it only takes like $600 to put an AWD turbo talon in the 12s?

JAYDUBB

I never got an answer to my last post. Hmmmm.

JAYDUBB

Have you considered getting a V8?

Cobra R

Buy a 9 Second Tow truck, that should get you down the 1/4 in the 12's. Ah hahaha

Jester

I have seen a 2.8 that runs 13.8 with only a 75 shot and stock bottom end. his big mod other than that was a 4.11 posi with slicks. Engine work was reletivly little though. Just home dremel porting on the intake and exaust manifolds..maybe heads...can't remember.

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3.1 firebird

yea right...these guys are all talking like a V8 thirdgen is SO FAST. Low to mid 14's stock, with the best V8 engine(350 TPI).

now you can go low 13's stock, but you have get an 89 TTA with the TURBO CHARGED V6. Dump a grand into and go low 12's.

DONT get the early 80's turbo trans am, you know with the V8, its a dog.

I;m just messing with you all, so dont get pissed.




[This message has been edited by 3.1 firebird (edited March 19, 2001).]

3.1 firebird

since you have a very fast car, why dont you offer him some advice? Maybe you could teach him a few things, you know help a fellow thirdgenner out on a project he is interested in doing.

GMI FAST

"Your best bet is to do a V8 swap, el pronto!"

I was the first one to give him advice. Read it again.

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1989 T/A, 400" CNC Bow-Tie tall-deck, JE 8.5:1, Eagle 6" rods, Crower roller cam, AFR heads, Accel Pro-Ram intake, 1200-cfm t/b, DFI, 72# inj., S/X fuel system, HRC T76 turbosystem, NOS 150-hp dry fogger, TH400 w/GV overdrive, 12-bolt w/3.70's, Baer Track brakes, 18X9.5 wheels, P275/35ZR18 Nittos, Spohn suspension, S/T springs, KYB AGX shocks/struts, Corbeau Targa RS seats, TeamTech 5-point harnesses, Sparco steering wheel, MacEwen white gauge overlays, Phantom gauges/tach, B&M Pro Stick w/carbon-fiber ****, REAL carbon-fiber dash/console kit (don't ask), S&W 8-point rollbar, Lonza aluminum pedal covers, Pioneer/Boston Acoustics stereo system, filled side markers, Audi clear fender marker lights, custom clear front turn signals, custom clear taillights, IMSA-style cowl hood (don't ask), custom medium Intense Blue pearl paint, tinted glass. Whew!

Best ET w/383" S-trim: 10.796 @ 125.8 mph
Best ET w/400" turbo, nitrous: Summer 2001

Member of Midwest F-Body Association www.mfba.org

3.1 firebird

instead of spouting off about dropping cars off cliffs, you could have given a few good reasons why he should go to a V8, but you thought it would be cute to insult a V6 owner instead.

GMI FAST

Geez, would you like some cheese to go with your whine?

" It would take a small miracle to make that kind of power, even if you sprayed the hell out of it. Your best bet is to do a V8 swap, el pronto! Can't imagine how expensive it would be to build up a 400hp 2.8L..."

There, I put it right where you can read it again. Let's see, here...yep! Looks like I advised against nitrous and then suggested a V8 swap. Then I emphasized the big money it would take to reach his goal if he used the V6. Hmmm...that's more advice than anyone else offered. I'm SUCH a nice guy! Have a great day, whiney!

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1989 T/A, 400" CNC Bow-Tie tall-deck, JE 8.5:1, Eagle 6" rods, Crower roller cam, AFR heads, Accel Pro-Ram intake, 1200-cfm t/b, DFI, 72# inj., S/X fuel system, HRC T76 turbosystem, NOS 150-hp dry fogger, TH400 w/GV overdrive, 12-bolt w/3.70's, Baer Track brakes, 18X9.5 wheels, P275/35ZR18 Nittos, Spohn suspension, S/T springs, KYB AGX shocks/struts, Corbeau Targa RS seats, TeamTech 5-point harnesses, Sparco steering wheel, MacEwen white gauge overlays, Phantom gauges/tach, B&M Pro Stick w/carbon-fiber ****, REAL carbon-fiber dash/console kit (don't ask), S&W 8-point rollbar, Lonza aluminum pedal covers, Pioneer/Boston Acoustics stereo system, filled side markers, Audi clear fender marker lights, custom clear front turn signals, custom clear taillights, IMSA-style cowl hood (don't ask), custom medium Intense Blue pearl paint, tinted glass. Whew!

Best ET w/383" S-trim: 10.796 @ 125.8 mph
Best ET w/400" turbo, nitrous: Summer 2001

Member of Midwest F-Body Association www.mfba.org

3.1 firebird

ok I'll gve you some crdit, but it sure took me awhile to see the advice because of the heaps of bs you were spewing.

I am having a great day, its nice out.

RenoLB8

To answer your question (oh, what? YES! This is a valid technical question, did someone forget?) no, noone makes that type of kit for us. I'm planning on mid 13's with mine. Can you do 12's though? YES.

I recomend a Powerdyne system, very easy to fab on. If you want more info on this, email me, I've been planning it for a while, so I've got most of the details worked out. Just be prepared to spend $$$.

Reno9114@aol.com

-Reno

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Cobra R

Sheesh people actually take the time to mess with a v6 F body?? Isnt that like putting an intake on a Honda or something? All that money just to run in the 13's?

Graeme'sFirebird

im not even going to bother..

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1989 Firebird
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Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers (ready to install), Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil (Fireball in future) Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Ignition Module, 4th Gen Seats (not front yet)

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

RenoLB8

Hmm, Cobra, a type of Mustang, R, the letter that all ricers would die for, nope, can't take you for more then a grain of salt.

Yes, there is actually an entire message board for the V6's, and we're doing quite well thank you.

-Reno

FORD Rustangs -R- Us

What about a 3.1L 92RS? I dont care about 12s or 13s, im not that damn naive lol but is there a bolt on turbo/blower yet?

"Mommy....i want one!"

bub

you say why do people bother with a v6 to run 13s because we want a zippy street car that gets great gas mileage i get 27+ on the freeway with my 2.8 that was before the rebuild now ive spent $2,400 on the motor
and i will get 30+ mpg and have 75 horse
shot nos who cares about how fast my motor is half the size of all u 350 5.7 liters
and ill have more hp than u did stock thats all i need along with gas mileage building cars and motors is about having fun and doing somthing u like if thats what some people like let them have there fun dont spoil it by saying your so dumb for spending
your money on a v6 blah blah blah,

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we are told that talent creates its own opportunities.yet, it sometimes seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities,but its own talents as well.

Guido

Everyone put your weiners back in yuor pants. They dont make turbos for the V6. they also dont make powerdynes for 3rd gens period.

GMI FAST hit it on the head. Put a V8 in it if you want to hit 12's.

Im closing this thread.

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