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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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Started dyno and trouble hit

Well i dropped off my car to get it dynoed a few days ago and the car was doing fine until it went into boost at which point it runs to lean and we can't achieve any added horsepower. the mechanic is suggesting this may be due in part to the stock gm computer. Also, i now have a blown headgasket on the #7 cylinder. Any thoughts on what may have blown the headgasket, and any thoughts on how to correct the lack of fuel flow?

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zz 383 crate motor
forged 4340 crankshaft
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hypercautic pistons
.41 thicker head gaskets, previous compression was 9.6 to 1 before i put these gaskets on.
fast burn heads with 1.5 rockers
msd distrubtor and wires, colder plugs
super ram intake with 52mm throttle body
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hooker 2055 headers
42lb svo injectors
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222/230 and 509/528 cam 112
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

Right now do you have anything to up the fuel level when you get into boost, like a FMU? Are you retarding the timing at all?
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

yes i have a 1:1 procharger fmu, and yes the timming is retarded.
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 09:52 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

Ah, sorry, missed that in the list. It may be the 1:1 isn't enough. By stock computer I assume you also mean a stock tune?
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:03 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

I agree I dont think 1psi/fuel per 1psi/boost is enough to compensate for the ecm only dumping enough for for what it is assuming an N/A engine. was the afr linear once it hit boost or did it continually get leaner?
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

well it has a custom burned chip but stock computer. the dyno guy says the computer has added as much fuel as it can. i am kind of suprised cause the injectors are rated at 670hp but he said i may possibly need a 8:1 or 12:1 fmu.
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:08 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

it was leaner as the boost went up.
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 11:42 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

Sounds like you either need a higher ratio FMU or a boost referenced tune.
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 11:54 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

with a stock ecm, I think a higher boost referenced FMU is the route to go imo. Go 12:1 and if its to much, you can take it out via ecm at least.
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 12:46 AM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

what pump are you running, might try to step up to an A1000 or magnafuel pump, maybe twin 255lph walbro's. Do you have a dyno chart? Hows the AFR?
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

Originally Posted by 90-irocdx3
yes i have a 1:1 procharger fmu, and yes the timming is retarded.
The stock fuel pressure regulator is a 1:1, so having an additional 1:1 FMU should really do anything. My Walbro pump (with 55 lb injectors at around 50 psi base) hit a wall around 500 hp, where the pressure drops like a rock after 3000 rpms. The single pump just can't keep up.

Is your pressure dropping, or does it keep rising with boost (like it should with a 1:1)?
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

well i found the problem, the head has a dip on the #7 cylinder head next to spark plug. the headgasket never blew it looked fine. so it sounds like a defect in the head. i will update what happens after i get this head situation fixed.


yes the pressure was dropping when it went to boost.
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

that's not the "problem" though if pressure is dropping when you hit boost. you need a bigger fuel system without a doubt.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 12:44 AM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

so do you think a 12:1 fmu would make it ok, i am running the supplied procharger inline fuel pump. i guess will go ahead and put a high flow fuel filter in it to.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:44 AM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

An 1:1 regulator is what the stock one is. With that the fuel pressure (on a gauge) rises with boost, 1 psi for each psi boost.

If pressure is dropping with boost, then the pump can't deliver enough fuel and that is problem #1.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

Originally Posted by JoBy
An 1:1 regulator is what the stock one is. With that the fuel pressure (on a gauge) rises with boost, 1 psi for each psi boost.

If pressure is dropping with boost, then the pump can't deliver enough fuel and that is problem #1.
I agree. The fuel pump is the first problem you need to overcome.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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Re: Started dyno and trouble hit

Do you have a fuel pressure gauge? i was seeing 90psi of pressure at 9lbs of boost and 30# injectors on my 305, i've now ditched the fmu and added 42lb injectors with a 3 bar map and code $59 now i see 45psi at 11psi of boost on a side note, with my stock $8d chip and the procharger supplied fmu and 30# injectors i was going lean, i had to add more fuel via the chip.
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