ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
why not take the tpi off , and put it in a box somewere so u can put it back on if u sell the car , and pick up an hsr or one of the cheap ching chong hsr's ( if they are available again yet that is )
i bet that change alone would be the power ur looking for and widen the powerband of the motor more then enough that u could get a converter to work properly
freakshow performance makes some nice converters and they are priced very well , few members here run them , and i regret getting an fti over a freakshow myself
i bet that change alone would be the power ur looking for and widen the powerband of the motor more then enough that u could get a converter to work properly
freakshow performance makes some nice converters and they are priced very well , few members here run them , and i regret getting an fti over a freakshow myself
works as advertised.
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
Because I'm tired of a bunch of little annoyances with the gen 1/megasquirt combo. Not the least of which are the long plug wires which always seem to find a way to get against something hot at the most inopportune time. I don't want to spend $500 to get a little bit or improvement on power but still have all of the other issues reminding me that I have yet again wasted time and money. An intake begets a converter. And so on.
I've had it with this setup and the only way this car stays in my fleet is with a completely different powertrain. I've fought it for years and it keeps punishing me in a hundred ways.
That is why not.
Steve
I've had it with this setup and the only way this car stays in my fleet is with a completely different powertrain. I've fought it for years and it keeps punishing me in a hundred ways.
That is why not.
Steve
he ran an holley commander ecu but im sure he could help u get urs all sorted out
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
Originally Posted by ZZ3Astro
I've had it with this setup and the only way this car stays in my fleet is with a completely different powertrain. I've fought it for years and it keeps punishing me in a hundred ways...
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Originally Posted by anesthes
i'm running a freakshow.
works as advertised.
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works as advertised.
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Yeah he welds the big triangle style plate on.
His converters are balanced, painted an ugly john deere green, and his welds are kinda ugly but they do stall the way he says and a lot of guys on yellowbullet are running fast ET's with them.
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His converters are balanced, painted an ugly john deere green, and his welds are kinda ugly but they do stall the way he says and a lot of guys on yellowbullet are running fast ET's with them.
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Axle/Gears: 3.89 9"
Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
My 9.5", with anti ballooning plate, 2800 stall (@550hp) for TH350, non lockup was $250 shipped.
Basically the same as this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271957446733
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I dont see you getting much of a converter for $250. Especially if you have a car that will need a balloon plate on the converter. I had a $350 jw converter. I bent most all the fins backwards inside.
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I am looking for 2400 ish stall lockup and balloon plate for my turbo 305 build but trying to do it as cheap as possible
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Axle/Gears: 3.89 9"
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
250 is for his base converters so the price goes up with each option but his pricing is really good , lots of ppl on yellow bullet running them and they love the converters
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Yeah it doesnt cost just 12$ lmao. Come on. Restall is labor and rewelding. I paid 300 as well.
But converter itself was 900. I dont think a high quality unit is going to be super cheap.
For 400-600 hp typical street cars yeah you dont need a 900$ unit. 350-500 seems appropriate. I always felt yank/precision were always overpriced for mild street cars
But converter itself was 900. I dont think a high quality unit is going to be super cheap.
For 400-600 hp typical street cars yeah you dont need a 900$ unit. 350-500 seems appropriate. I always felt yank/precision were always overpriced for mild street cars
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To restall a converter requires cutting it open, chaning or altering fins, and re-welding. That's a different story.
Look at the chinese 1 3/4" long tube headers for fbody now. What are they, under $300? The American headers are what, $1200?
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The cost per unit to stamp converters and weld them is not very high. They are welded on a machine.
To restall a converter requires cutting it open, chaning or altering fins, and re-welding. That's a different story.
Look at the chinese 1 3/4" long tube headers for fbody now. What are they, under $300? The American headers are what, $1200?
-- Joe
To restall a converter requires cutting it open, chaning or altering fins, and re-welding. That's a different story.
Look at the chinese 1 3/4" long tube headers for fbody now. What are they, under $300? The American headers are what, $1200?
-- Joe
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I don't know where the halves are stamped but the dude is from Texas.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Freak...639532?fref=ts
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Build a nice healthy LM7. You can get a complete pull-out for a grand or less depending on mileage and year engine. I think hot rod did a turbo build for 2k or something.. Cheep ebay turbo. Believe they got 700hp at 14psi or something. read it a while ago. That wont last long.. But a nice healthy one will last and is affordable imo. Next year I hope to do one. Not sure about turbo tho they say that stock cam is perfect for a turbo.
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
Originally Posted by ZZ3Astro
Yes PTC built for my car. Comes with a free re-stall but they said to do what I wanted to do it needed to be a $900 non lockup converter. I said forget it. Not going non-lockup, that is insane for a car that I drive (drove) on day trips so much - especially in the Florida heat...
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I dont see you getting much of a converter for $250...
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Actually, it's not insane. I spoke with Dusty the owner of PTC plenty of times regarding a change from my current TCI converter, and he was trying to sell me on the idea of a non-lockup converter as well. Some guy I used to hang with runs one of Dusty's (PTC) non lockup converters in his daily driver GN making close to five hundred to the wheels, no issues whatsoever with his 200R4 in ninety degree weather as per the tranny temp gauge. I myself am not too crazy about the overall 'feel' of a non-lockup converter, but it won't overheat...
Some of the better converters out there are quite decent (tight) at part throttle, but nothing that stalls over 4K will be happy cruising around >2000rpm.
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I run a freakshow converter. Yes on the balloon plate. I like the converter. The slip is pretty good at the top end of the track. 6-8% not to bad for a lower cost converter. Stalls just like they said it would, Absolutely no complaints here. My converter was 320 bucks IIRC(a 9 1/2 for a th350). And they would restal it for free within a year of purchase.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-350-TH350-TH400-Powerglide-Stall-3500-Torque-Converter-9-5-/281773432241?hash=item419b015db1&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-350-TH350-TH400-Powerglide-Stall-3500-Torque-Converter-9-5-/281773432241?hash=item419b015db1&vxp=mtr
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I run a freakshow converter. Yes on the balloon plate. I like the converter. The slip is pretty good at the top end of the track. 6-8% not to bad for a lower cost converter. Stalls just like they said it would, Absolutely no complaints here. My converter was 320 bucks IIRC(a 9 1/2 for a th350). And they would restal it for free within a year of purchase.
GM 350 TH350 TH400 Powerglide Stall 3500 Torque Converter 9 5 | eBay
GM 350 TH350 TH400 Powerglide Stall 3500 Torque Converter 9 5 | eBay
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Im wondering how fast people have gone with the cheap converters..... I have broken one, but it wasnt a freakshow. Think I went 6.20s or so before it died. ~mid-high 9s in the 1/4. Not very many passes on it.
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
hes been running his all year hes also hitting it with a 50 shot right off the line to spool his turbo
there prolly just fine for 9/10/11 or slower cars
i know a few guys on yellowbulit run them with some high hp stuff, i have yet to hear anything bad on a freakshow converter, theres a pretty big thread on yb.com about them in the racing section
there prolly just fine for 9/10/11 or slower cars
i know a few guys on yellowbulit run them with some high hp stuff, i have yet to hear anything bad on a freakshow converter, theres a pretty big thread on yb.com about them in the racing section
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Re: ZZ3 Turbo Iroc - Round Three
Yea like dave said I went 11.50s and constant 11.60s-11.70s (7.40-7.50 1/8)for the last 20 passes or so when the weather good. For a 400-600 hp car... I feel freakshow is a solid converter. A friend at the track runs 11.50 all day and 10.80s on n20 with a freakshow 4500 stall. He's ran it for a few years now. He is the reason i looked into them. Now if we are talking 9 or sub 9 second cars yea you would probly want a better quality converter.
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Did you end up selling the car?
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Thats incorrect statement. There is nothing special about lockup converters at cruise. It helps mileage but as long as there is a trans cooler of some type which alllll auto trans should have, there is no issue with overheating. I can cruise all day long with my 4500 stall. Thats why a 900$ converter costs as much as they do. They have driveability plus stall where they should for the combo. Same with my 3200 and 3600's i had in 700r4/4l60 deals. They dont slip 3600 rpm the entire time lol
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