I was working my way throught the treads in here (and wondering why some were locked that I wanted to add to) and came across this:

Always was before.

Now, I appreciate the work it takes, and probably have a better idea than Jason here thinks anyone on here may possibly have, however, this is now a patently commercial enterprise and as such one would think there would be some deference given towards the basis of his monthly bbs ad sales.

Furthermore, if we are not allowed to add that we may also be experiencing the same problem, particularly one which does not patently manifest, how then will anyone discern that it is a board problem and not a user problem? This would seem to make diagnosis much more difficult rahter than simpler.

And we already went through the whole 'I'm taking my ball home' deal a few years back. It went over like a flying cinder block then, that is a poor attitude to portray that the board could be shut down because Jason just felt like turning it off. If it's that bad, make me an offer to buy the place, I'd be happy to bring it into thirdgen enthusiat's hands again.

That was my 'comment', my 'suggestion' as promised:

If you would like to deny the board their 'soapbox' then may I suggest a change of this forums name to reflect such and to also post up some rules so we know what is acceptable. Maybe get rid of a few of the stickies like 'If you've seen', etc. as they would not fit into the new format we apparently now have.

 

I agree 100%

 

 

Well said.

 

werd, word devil

 

:withstupid:

 

 

You said it.

 

Yup. He pretty much nailed it.

 

I did not read Jason's remark as packing up TGO. I believe his comment was in regard to if the site is unreachable for a period of time, it is likely out of site maintenance or upgrades. You've seen the website get several (visible and non-visible) software updates in the past few months alone. Outages are bound to occur as not all upgrades/updates allow the forum or server to continue functioning while in progress. I believe that was his comments about if the site is down for a "long" period of time, it is because he is working on it. This comment was made because of false statements (passed on as a fact) that TGO's outages have been due to "inadequate" servers or bandwidth constraints.

So far, we have been pretty able to identify if an issue is a user or server end without a few dozen "me too" replies, which aren't always helpful. For example, we've had some intermittent page hangs that are related to brief server load spikes, but nothing continuous. Those issues are incorrectly assumed to be tied into the 'choppy' complaint that some users experience while using their browser on TGO. Completely different, unrelated, issues but some member's 'me too' comments are misplaced.

By the way, some things haven't changed, the rule about criticism towards the TGO staff/policy is still here. Unfortunately some people cannot have a discussion without personally insulting the staff and/or knowledge, as well as making false claims about things that they do not have access to. None of which help matters.

 

how'd i end up here

 

Probably because you bought a 97 Formula..lol

 

That's because the L03 came with a peanut cam.

 

Oops, wrong thread. how embarassing.

 

 

I'm afraid to say anything. I just want my TGO!!!!!!

 

since Dirk is no longer a member of the TGO staff, can we make fun of him now?

 

totally agree, i'm not trying to dawg on anyone...

this is a business you guys are running. And unfortunately before you guys came the customer base was huge, i have noticed all the long time members leave, and since then, i'm sure your visits per day has severely decreased. Dont lie, we all know it.

The key to a business is the customer, you treat the customer right, and they will make you money.

right now, we dont want to come to the site, so the less clicks you get on your adds, the less money your gonna be getting guys, sorry.

Your business plan needs some rethinking....


again, i tried my best to not put anyone down.

the site has changed to where its just not fun to be in anymore...

"the employee's" ie mods, dont like working uunder ya'll and therefore are doing a less then satisfactory job, because the sites turnen nearly to junk compared to before, why clean up a dump? so they can keep dumping?

things need to be fixed if you guys want to begin making more money!

 

boom shaka laka

 

I heart TGO.

 

This is the type of assumed "facts" that they are talking about. You don't have the stats to back that up, so why post it?

And once again, someone tries to start an intelligent discussion and it gets littered with garbage posts that contribute nothing.

 

Let me help you out.

Perhaps he's referring to something like this:

thirdgen.org statistics

 

My point with regard to that comment was relational JT. I didn’t say I expected him to pack up TGO. It was relational to the thread in which it was posted, the poster to which it was directed as well as the general assumed attitude towards all the members at large. All.

There are many, many other, more political and personable, ways of saying what he wanted to rather than the way in which he presented it. The portrayal he made was essentially, 'If the board is down, tough, it's mine to do with as I please, assume I am'. I don't think it came across as clearly in my quote as in the original thread where the last part of the sentence was bolded IIRC. I will correct my original post to reflect such so as to not confuse people to my meaning. I don't want to start down that particular path.

Notwithstanding that as a point of contention with regard to it's interpretation, you are overlooking the general overview/meaning of the post/thread, here and elsewhere, and the apparent consensus therein.

Does this mean I agree with the original poster? Depends. The front page has been down much more than the rest of the site. Most everyone is bookmarked direct to these boards. I think it was poor positioning on both sides, though each approached it far differently. I personally saw nothing wrong with the question, nor it's wording. I did, personally, have a poor opinion of the resultant action taken by the board owners towards that poster, however, none of that was the point of my comment. It was made mainly to make the owners aware that most members, -particularly those that most members rely on-, are not stupid and do not take well to condescension.

Maybe from this whole mess the site may get a redirect up for the next occurrence, who knows? It still would be a shame, and an injustice, if the board members could not voice their opinions in here that could help the board get better. Without that I don't see the board as developing a good method of accommodation for it's users and as such will never allow TGO to increase it's commercial base and worth. IMNSHO anyway (What other opinion do I ever have, eh? ).

 

can i get an amen?

 

um, Amen

 

Yep I personally have the forums saved to favorites, not the front page. I also agree that the front page has just as much down time.

 

My comment was based on your exact quote:

It sure read to me like you were implying as if you thought Jason could/would pack up TGO. The whole point about "if it's that bad, make me an offer to buy the place.." comment along with the "we already went through the whole 'I'm taking my ball home'" comments. Why bring that up, then? That was not Jason's point. It appeared to me that you read it that way. You make it sound like Jason implied he would/could turn the board without constructive reason ("because Jason felt like turning it off"). He does it to actually improve the functionality, not because he has nothing better to do than to disrupt the board for some pleasure.

In regard to me "overlooking" - since I'm not involved with Xoxide, not involved with what had happened and nor am I Jason, I don't think you can expect much from me on this. I do not singly control TGO or the Xoxide staff. That's in addition to whatever my personal stance is anyway. I simply replied, instead of locking this thread as you had requested, after you felt the need to create attention.

 

Yes, that's how I read his post. How otherwise within the tone of the post? His overtone was one of an imperial nature. While he/they may 'own it' it is successful only by the users and the mods who glue it together. The reference I made was towards that apparent overtone. :shrug:

I do need to apologize as I had two seperate issues confused in my mind as one which may have also lead to a more negative reaction to the post. Not by much though.

I also know that the mods are human and have stances. I understand you probably feel the compunction ot remain neutral in the public forums. I gladly accept that, but acknowledge it (the public neutral stance)a bit for me when you post, it seemed as though you were missing some points.

And yes, I told you to lock it because I just wanted it to reside in their minds, not start a bash fest against xoxide. Granted it has remained fairly civil, I did not expect this many to come in and form such a general consensus. Regardless, it just cements the basis of the articulated points herein. I just hope they take it to heart and not get offended nor imperial in their response.

 

Oh, and the request of an offer was based on his apparent frustration as well. It's been made before.

 

I emailed them for an offer to buy TGO, but they never returned my message.

I was serious too.

 

People may not have liked the attitude displayed in this case, but on the flip side, there has been plenty of insults made towards the staff, the website, and the hardware, ever since the transfer. I'm sure you can understand it can wear at you.

I certainly did not read Jason's comments as taking the service offline just because "he felt like it". Why would he disrupt the service? For pleasure?! Perhaps I know Jason a bit more since I've communicated with him quite a bit as part of my job here, so that is why I seen it differently.

It may not have been as interesting to the readers and to yourself, but I honestly think if that was the case, bringing it directly to their attention in private would have been most civil way to achieve your stated goal. Instead, this puts people on defense and overall degrades the atmosphere and disrupts the forums, in my small opinion.

 

Like Dirk, you guys need thicker skins then.

 

Dirk is not part of the TGO staff since the sale, so there is no need to bring criticism about him. That's not the purpose of this thread, nor is that a topic for discussion.

In regard to needing thicker skins, which I do not believe I have done anything to justify that statement, my point is that critism towards TGO, the staff, and the hardware have been around since the sale. I don't think this is a one sided issue.

Once again, if the true goal of this was to help Xoxide reflect on what happened, it would have been best for this to have been done privately. But that would have been the most boring, least attention, option.

 

Great post. I know I was not here (or at least not active) during this change of hands, but I do know there is definitely something that sets this place apart from all others. It is rigid, stiff, too many rules. It is not that I don't like it here, it's just that I am scared to post here because moderators come out of the blue to fuss at you if you post one wrong thing. You cannot have fun here. I am guessing this is the feel you were going for but I don't like it much. Also, I think constructive criticism can be a good thing and should be taken with an open mind. Bashing or flaming is different, but so far I haven't really seen any of that on this thread. I tried to post some pictures of my dad's cars, which i had been talking about earlier, and my post was completely removed and I was scolded like a child because he has second gen camaros. It isn't appropriate was the reason. Ever since then, I am afraid to start my own threads and hardly even come here to reply to any either. It is a great place to be for info but would be so much better if a little fun was allowed, you could really get to know the other members better that way. Just my two cents.

 

This really isn't exactly in regard to the discussion in this thread. Even before the sale of TGO, pretty much the same rules have been in place. I'm not aware of the details in regard to your thread and who took action, but since the site was/is 3rd Gen Tech only your post would have probably gotten deleted then. So this really isn't a part of the discussion that has been taking place here.

"Scolded like a child"? I'm sure you was pointed out to the rules that have been in place. We usually advise you look them over if you missed them before.

 

Red Devil, I think there is no end to this thread.

1) After you created this thread to advertise your criticism, you PM'ed me to lock this thread.
2) I see this as criticism towards the TGO staff and policy. Even before Xoxide appeared, there was a Rule against this and still appears to be a valid Rule.
3) Once again, you and I both know that if you really only wanted to give Xoxide something to ponder, it would have been best kept if you addressed them directly in private.
4) I see no end to this thread when you and I both continue the back and forth quotes.
5) I really was not involved. The person involved likely would not want to go through this on a public forum. If you have a problem with the person involved, you should have directed it to him.

Those points above are why I think it is best to close this topic. Right now, it has become something between you and me. There was many snide remarks personally towards me and more "filler" than actual discussion. You criticize me for things are you doing yourself. I see no satisfying you, honestly. You have the advantage in that you are far better with words than I. However that doesn't make you and your opinion any more valid or right.

If Jason, or Xoxide, want this thread open they can do so of course. I think this thread has been done.