It's official, I have the slowest car in North America. First Run 17.616 @ 82.53. The second run 17.674 @ 83.37

Man I need some chip tuning in a bad way.

Here is the rest of it:
First Run
R/T...............988
60...............2.733
330..............7.611
1/8..............11.509
MPH.............64.33
1000............14.800
1/4...............17.616
MPH..............82.53

Second Run
R/T...............775
60...............2.668
330..............7.619
1/8..............11.582
MPH.............64.81
1000............14.881
1/4...............17.674
MPH..............83.37

Well nothing was settled between the purple beasts. Tony had a few exhaust troubles just off the starting line. We will go back again. I should have a new chip by then.

Bill

 

ouch

 

holy cow, look at your 60 fts!!! you are losing a solid second from just that. How were you launching? You should be getting 2.2's at the WORST.

 

Hi azvolfan!
I wouldn't worry about it! The car still looks nice!!

Just practice!

Later,

George

 

How am I launching? Not very good. This was my first time ever at the track so my reaction time is not very good. And although the car runs pretty good, there is definitely some hesitation under heavy acceleration. I am hoping the chip I am having burned will take care of this.

 

yea, honestly that 60ft. is *** awful.

I used to get 60 fts. liek that when I fisrt got my car because I didn't know how to launch it. But with practice and help from chris My quickst 60 ft. was a 2.3, and with more I'm sure I can get lower.

Work on your 60fts.

If you were to get a 2.3-2.2 you would be in the 15s for sure.

 

So you think shaving just .4 off my 60' will get me into the 15's from 17's? Is the 60' that important????

 

Yes. 1/10 at the start is 3-4/10ths at the top if I remember correctly.

If your problem is in the engine the chip should fix that. If the problem is tire spin then it's time to talk to Steve Spohn. esams did more work on the tractions side before spending too much on engine and got his 91 350 into the 14s, I've got video of him beating an LS1 (a BADLY driven LS1 but none the less an LS1). I think he'd gotten adj. LCA's, Relocation brackets, adj. torque arm and panhard bar. He also removed his front sway bar put skinnies on and drag radials out back. PM him him and I'm sure he'd be glad to talk about it.

 

Running that combo on the stock TBI chip is not going to work.. no.. definitely not. The trap speeds are highly indicative of this. If you're going with TBIChips, don't expect the best tune you can get, either.. only horror stories abound from their work on modded engines. Might be time for you to start looking into DIY prom, Bill..

 

Haha, yeah I definately lost...my exhaust fell off my car half way down the track! I could kill the guy that "installed it". Yeah, the car definately has a LOT more potential than that. It was running RICH as all hell, I mean it couldn't be any richer. My car runs rich, but his runs with BLMs stuck at 108 and O2 sensor just PEGGED on 1.00X. Plus there was a slight hint of knock and there might be teeny tiny vacuum leak. A new chip will do absolute wonders for it. Yeah the 60' was simply a result of just off idle stumble, it wasn't a bad launch by any means at all. It's exciting because there's no where to go but up now!

Tony

 

Rich? Stock chip + stock injectors + L98 cam + TPI heads would run lean, I'd think.. you got a datalog of a pass for us, Bill?

 

Techie,

I have one but I don't know how to post it.

 

I won't be able to check my mail for at least 1-3 days.. and I might be too busy to do anything about the logs for a few days beyond that..

Can't check mail because I'm in Tucson.. can't do anything for a while because I'm in Tucson because mom just had surgery. (she's fine, btw.. just in standard post-surgical pain now)

... But I *will* get back to you on those logs when I have a chance

 

when my lo3 was stock it ran 16.6 the fastest that i ever got out of it. so i think you have some problems but it is just more then one thing. you have to work on your reaction times you need to steap on the gas as soon as the secound yellow light goes on and you need to tune your car i heard what your car has done to it and it should run 15 if well driven and well tuned so good luck with it all next time it should run better. you just really need to work on your reaction times and your 60 ft's other wise good luck.

 

RT won't affect ET.. the clock doesn't start till you leave the lasers. 60' will affect ET greatly.. but if it's bogging, with that many mods, it's probably the chip not meshing anymore... plus, his trap speeds are kinda hurting..

 

We'll get in dialed into a good time eventually. Should be fun doing it and learning along the way.

Tech,

Thanks. Hope your Mom is doing well. Get back to me when you can. Thanks.

 

Mm... okay.. 305 TPI runs ~15 flat stock.. if you can't catch that with the hooker super comps (tell me you went 1 5/8" primaries) and that massive exhaust.. we've got problems. I hadn't even factored the headers into the equation for the chip.. it's definitely miles off from where it needs to be. Haven't replaced the intake manifold yet???

 

put a carb on it and that should fix all your problems

 

Wow, I wish I would have showed up! Coulda bragged about beating a modded car! (J/K!) Yeah first thing I thought when I saw those 17's was "Chip Tuning!" I wanna get into that stuff too... Those 60's are horrible, I got a 2.3 on my 15.3 run and I roasted my tires (err...tire ) and as Tony said your launches were good so fixing your computer should get the engine kickin' in right. Let me know how the chip stuff goes cuz' I'm definetly interested. And you'll have to give me a call before you go down there next time!

Bruce (90RS305)

 

I'm telling you man, rich as Donald Trump, nay Bill Gates . Seriously, a chip will be the best $50 ever spent on the car! Then you can come to the track and toast my *** again

 

50 bucks isn't going to solve these woes...

 

I did not do the intake when I did all of the mods. I'm thinking that I should have.

 

You should at least do the ultimate TBI mods! Gonna do that when I get the courage...

Bruce (90RS305)

 

Yeah, I never said it would completely solve it, but it still will be the best $50 spent on getting the car running right, granted burning your own proms is the way to go, this will help imensely, I mean come on the car will go from 17.6's to the 15's...best $50 I've ever seen spent

 

wait, $50 for a racingchip? last i checked they were like $180... are we not talking about performance chips or what???if so, where can i get one for $50.

 

A $50 chip is less than likely to be worth $50.. seriously, folks.. DIY, have friends that do, or don't do it at all...

 

The answer is sooooo simple:

CARBURETOR!

No chips. No mysterious lean condition. No custom tuning. No 17 second time slips.

 

Drivability! Emissions legality! Gas milage! Cold starts!

It's all in what the person wants to do, and what they're good with.. carbs are the easy way out, and are not a good way out if you want to register your car in the phoenix metro area


Anyway.. initial inspection shows, all those 108 BLMs you mentioned, Tony, look like a mere idle adjustment... things don't really look that bad. It'll be a while before I've got this much data chopped up into useful manageable sections.

Bill, good work on taking this much time logging.. Lots of various driving conditions. Big plus for tuning.. I'll translate as much of it into english as I can manage over the next week. =)

Bedtime for this smurf.

 

Drivability! it will haul ***!
Emissions legality!i have never heard of anybody with a carb on a 305 not pass emissions
Gas milage! thats the only thing that really takes a **** but it should only go down to like15 if you tune your car right.
Cold starts! man pump the gas pedal twice and then rev the engine at 1500 rpm for like 2 minutes and you are good, what is so hard about that?

that $hit is not diffrent then tucson and we get them to pass with flying colors down here.

 

Is phoenix different than Tucson?? I worked as an emissions inspector in tucson for years, we never check for anything except air system and cats, and do the dyno rollers. We could give two $hits about whats on top of the intake as long as it passes the general visual and sniffer.

 

Really? huh.. okay. Guess you can remove emissions legality from my argument..

 

If you knew just how little they taught us in emissions tech "class", you'd laugh your *** off. Basically, they show you a picture of a catylic converter, and picture of a smog pump, and a picture of a check valve. That is the extent of their automotive knowledge. Under no circumstances should the inspector question the type of induction, engine size, or year of the motor. It is NONE of their business, as long as the equipement required by that year is present.




Stick an edlebrock 600 with leaner rods and that thing should get damn near the same mileage as TBI