Saw this vid on Horse Power TV and have been drooling over it. Price is around $7k so its not for everyone but its a very clean set-up making almost 500 hp through stock manifolds and smog compliant!!!! Looks like I found the set up for my future 69 Z28!!!


http://www.powerblocktv.com/video/?ep_show=HP

 

I wonder if this setup would be legal in our cars.

 

simply awesome..

 

The Referee I took my car to, to get it approved as a smog legal conversion, told me about the E-Rod package from GM (that was in February/March) and showed me some of the pictures he took of it. He was one of the people sent by California to inspect it in GM's '55 Chevy Bel Air. He said California still hadn't approved it at the time but he personally saw no reason why it wouldn't be CA emissions legal - he was slightly frustrated about that too, lol.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/g...the-shiftless/

 

So the 430hp crate motor is more of a 495 motor hp motor? I think my plans now is do a budget build on my 350, then when I graduate from college in a year and get my career going save my money and pick this up.

 

Thats what its designed for.

 

Yeah, but GM bases the HP numbers w/all accessories and HP TV's dyno is on the generous side.

 

id like to start saving up for this!!
comes ready to drop in. manifolds. cats. evap set up. harness. pedal. definately worth it! some little tuning and it will produce amazing numbers!!

 

i just saw that video .. !

 

I saw that epiosde, and the GM rep seemed pretty confident they'd be pleased with the power before they hit the dyno.

With GM knowing they were going to be featured, does anyone else get a sense that that motor may have been a ringer?

Then again, GM's been good about understating horsepower for production cars, probably stemming from the Mazda and Nissan overstatement debacles from a few years ago.

 

The engine was stock, right off the assembly line. It was built on the same assembly line with the Corvette LS3, equipped with 2010 Camaro manifolds and converters. It is the E-Rod series engine, emission legal for use in new title builds and most 1995 or earlier production vehicles in California.

The engine used in the show had never been run before the dyno test. You can see this when the manifolds were changed. The exhaust ports are clean aluminum. It was ran with a electric water pump, short air inlet tube, and a high flow air filter. There were straight sections of 2.5" pipe installed on the converters, and Flowmaster mufflers.

They do not record using the SAE standard as GM does. They use the more common aftermarket standard. I was there for all the dyno testing, and the install in the car. Their dyno has been certified by the manufactuer, but I believe it is a little optimistic. Still, it made really good power, and was quite a improvement over the LS1 we removed.

Mike Copeland, GM Performance Division

 

If that is the future of Hot Rodding then Hot Rodding is dead.

That's not Hot Rodding, thats corporate rodding. The small corporations got pushed out by the big guys in sema back in the 80s when they brought about the E.O. process, and now the OEMs are trying to do the same to the Edelbrocks and Mr Gaskets.

There's no creativity in assembling a pre packaged kit, you'll just be like everyone else with the 7k or whatever it is to drop on this cookie cutter package.

I spent hardly a fraction of that hand building my 3.8 V6. It makes way more power but most importantly, I built it. From porting the heads myself to my choice of parts, it's UNIQUE.

Not some kit that big money corporations pushed upon me so I wouldn't have to actually make any decisions concerning parts. Shrewd business move though. Get the Govt. behind you to squeeze out your competitors.

 

It's the Feds pushing us into corp hot rodding. Small guys can't afford the cost of meeting EO standards.
Why is the cost so high, because it's income to the govt and the EPA doesn't want anyone messing with the drivetrains anyway.
The only way to do backyard hot rodding is to buy a vehicle too old to be tested and those are getting few and far between. In CA a 1976 vehicle is worth more than a 1977 because of the lack of smog testing saving the owner at least $30/year.

If SEMA was not around there would be every year testing on some vehicles and a lot more years of vehicles required to be tested. And EO parts would be extremely limited.

 

Just to clarify... 1976s still need to be smogged.

1975 and earlier are smog exempt.

Also, 1998 and earlier diesels are smog exempt.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm

 

The package is just a starting foundation, you can add heads, cam, intake, porting, custom headers, super chargers, turbos and let your creativity run wild!!!

You can create your own LS package and make more power for about half but there is no denying that hot rod'ing has evolved.

 

Uh, where are you getting your information? Since when is this E rod package emissions exempt? You change the cam you better have an E.O. sticker for it, same goes for heads.. port the intake, guess what that's not technically legal either. Custom headers? Hope you have 50 grand laying around to get an E.O. for them. If you move the cats around that's gonna fail you too.
All those parts are going to need a custom tune. Guess what, not legal. You'll probably be able to buy another "kit" to upgrade, sure, but you are stuck with their tune, their parts. That is not Hot Rodding.

The thing that gets me the most is the insinuation that GM and the Govt is making is that it isn't possible for a regular guy to build an engine that is clean. If results mattered then it wouldn't mean squat what you had under the hood. Its what comes out from your tail pipe or under your hood that matters. If that is all that mattered it would be quite easy to build a "clean" car. The technology to do so is available to anyone with half a brain.
Having a "clean" hot rod means squat in reality anyway. The show even brought up the fact that there are 70,000 cars that the state of CA believes are illegally registered to avoid emissions compliance.
Do you know how many cars are in California in total? 25 MILLION. Do you think air quality is affected by this DROP IN A BUCKET? Nevermind huge container ships sitting off the coast, tons of diesel big rigs, or the fact that the air is ALREADY CLEANER than its been since before the 1950s!

How many of those 70,000 hobby cars are driven way less than the average vehicle? I would suspect that the majority are. Considering that I put around 3-5 k miles a year on my Buick, I can dump double what a Hummer is putting out the tail pipe and still be less "harmful" to the environment annually than someone who puts average annual mileage on their behemoth SUV.

This is just more crap. And if that show is any indication, that is going to be the future of hot rodding. Only old rich fat men will be able to partake. Everyone else you'll have to stick to your govt approved econobox.

 

Pablo is right, you can build a clean burning engine, but if it doesn't pass visual you fail. Even if you are replacing a early 80s smog motor with a more powerful late 80s motor and that late 80s motor with mods is 1/2 as dirty as the one you took out it better have all the junk on it or else they won't even test the tail pipe.

All BS they continue to dump on us here and where is our newest source of dirty air, China, the natural air currants bring China's dirty air right here and the idiots at CARB are requiring us to be cleaner to compensate for the crap coming over the ocean. Thank you CARB.

70,000 out of 25 million, less than 0.3%

Also yes 76s require smog 75s don't. Just before they froze it 77's were exempt but they rolled it back to 76.

 

I agree with the annoying smog laws, but if you can get 4th gens to pass emissions and the TPI guys have found ways around it, I don't see why the same cannot be done with this package.

Either way my plans fr this "kit" would be for a 1st gen camaro, add forged internals, full length headers, head work, and throw a kenne bell charger on top of it. 800 + rwhp, daily driver capable of being driven to the track and running 9's!!! Evolution of hot rods, you don't need a huge cam that doesn't idle, poor gas mileage (6-8 mpg), 2 speed trans, overheating and leaking issues, obnoxiously loud, etc

 

So let me get this straight, you want to buy a 7 thousand dollar emissions compliant engine package, then remove everything that makes it emissions legal, replace the rotating assembly, heads, etc, and then throw it into an emissions test exempt vehicle?

That makes perfect sense.

BTW my 3.8 v6 is easy 10s capable for a fraction of the cost (only one run @ fontana 1.54 60, one wheel up, 7.0@95mph 1/8th 11.2@118 crossing the line at almost 5100 in overdrive= 55% converter slippage.. you do the math on what kind of power it's putting down) in a full size G body. That's with a 212/212@.050 cam btw, mild. So you don't need to tell me about "the evolution of hot rods". I could and used to daily drive this thing, and if I had to pass a sniffer I'm quite confident it would pass with flying colors. 1985 technology with some modern tweaks. Wouldn't pass a visual with a ref though. I'm not a big corporation capable of greasing the right palms to get an E.O. for my setup.

Don't buy into the marketing hype.

 

You sound really upset lol, do you hate the GM 502 crate motors as well? I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I don’t see anything wrong with a crate engine w/ proven performance and even warranty!!!


I’m not informed to comment on the corporate smog law, EO numbers or related dynamics. I just know the E-rod is a nice, powerful set up for a reasonable price which a lot of people in CA would not mind swapping into their hot rod to replace their tired SBC. I would buy the kit since it has zero miles, comes w/ warranty, everything I would need (a crate motor LS3 is $6k but this one comes w/a nice ecu and pedal) and has tons of potential. Run it as is for a while then build on it as I would like then probably swap it out for something newer and better a few years after that. I’ve gone through 4 motor swaps w/my 3rd gen, each engine was only driven for 1-2 years before I decided to improve, I have fun wrenching when I have free time.


Sounds like you got a nice set up, about 500 rwhp is pretty common w/the 3.8’s? Am I right? I love GM V6 turbos and hope to own one or two in the future along with a Syclone as well.

 

Wow i didn't know that. Haven taken my car for the visual, I have everything except the cats in the correct position but I don't feel bad driving my car since its a lot cleaner burning than the big cam 355 sbc I had in there before.

 

modern technology
drive-ability and reliability that's all i have to say for my ls1. its not pushing 500hp but it gets going and its my dd.

theres a guy with a mid 80s vette on the ls1tech forum who dropped in a ls3.
youll never expect a stock looking tpi vette to have that would you? i would. if youre able to throw in the 2010 c6 suspension/chassis might as well do it right? if its possible and if you have the skills or money might as well try it out.

a 3.8 T is great motor. you even see them on 3rd gen fbodys. 4.3 turbos came out as well for the gmc awd trucks. same technology right? correct me if i am wrong. bigger displacement newer advancements.

but everyone has their own opinions.
i would personally install this ls3 in any car i get my hands on lol

nothing looks better than these slick set ups on this site
http://www.lateral-g.net/

 

Hot Rodding at its Finest!!!!!!!












Worst creativity ever!!!!!

 

How come the test driver in every hot rod show sucks? Why can't the egocentric show hosts step aside and let someone with skills show off the cars potential instead of a sundauy drive in the park...pathetic.

Factory five is probably embarassed that that guy putzed one of their chassis like that, and blantantly overdrove it like a rookie right out of that corner spinning out. Those factory five Cobra's are bad *** technology, you should see 3 of them run local at HSRWest here at California speedway. http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Tick.../HSR-West.aspx

For christ's sake Horsepower TV, let someone with ***** and skills drive.

On the LS3 note: I personally like any option availiable to use to put any engine in any car. THis will lead to trickle down affects where us little guys can take salvage yeard motors and seek the same setups with used vendors matching tune setups for salvage yard motors in an equivilant application for far less money. Once something is on the books, its fair game for all visually and then the tailpipe final reading will required a smog referee to pass you.

 

So then this engine is legal in any 95 and older vehicle... hmm.. I like... if you think about it it's a good deal, I think ... 7500 dollars, you get a new engine with a 2 year warranty, emissions crap included... sure you could get an LS1/T56 combo for about 3K or so, but then why if the engine is shot, here comes the repairs, I'd imagine at least 3K to rebuild the engine... the LS3 engine alone is 6100 according to enginedepot.com, you then would need the CATS, ECM, Harness, Pedal, O2 sensors, the harness alone I think I saw it for almost 1K on speartech, don't know what I was looking at... then comes the cats, right now there is a setup for 400 on feebay... I think it's a good deal still at 7500 dollars... now it's time to save up... btw I was set on building a 383 TPI setup, but not anymore....

 

No trans though, right?
I might just stick with the GTO LS2 for my future project unless the price on that brand spankin new LS3 comes down.

 

I agree with your math and logic, I wish this set-up was available when i first did my swap.

Correct, no trans. This would be a perfect combo if the price included a nice Tremec to back up the horsepower.

On a side note, I wonder if GM will offer the smog compliant equipment separately for those who want to save some cash and buy a used LS1/LS2/6.0/5.3 etc.

 

SEMA unveiled GM's addition of the LSA, 5.3, 6.0 to the EROD program(later LS7)






Indeed, with a curb weight of about 2,500 pounds, the E-ROD LSA’s 556 horsepower gives the car a power-to-weight ratio of only 4.5:1 – or, 1 horsepower for every 4.5 pounds of mass. That’s better than Ferrari 599 GTO’s 5.3:1 ratio.

Now this is what you call a "masterpiece"!!!!

More info here:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/02/s...d-sport-coupe/


Also very neat


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/03/s...ready-to-haul/

 

Dude that looks like a Ford modular motor!?

 

that gs vette looks like a toy!!.. beautiful car with a sick engine. now that's a masterpiece!

 

What color is that silver one it looks so nice

 

It does lol, most wouldn't even know it had a super charger. I prefer the looks of the LS9...







PPG ULTRA Silver, love that color with the satin black accents.