I'll Be the first to reply and give my two cents on the Vortec's They have the E tec 200's I have the standard Iron Vortec. I did have Don put in new manley springs an retainers. Jerry cut down the stud boss? not sure if it's called that but sounds good..I had Don Port the intake side an port an polish the exhaust sides. Now my Vortec's are on a 383ci so I needed all the flow I could but I let Don handle an make all the money. So Don mildedly ported the Vortec base also. I have a Honed Super Ram.
So I did not want to spend all this extra money to have the base honed because of the flow of the Iron Vortec. Now these Vortec's flow almost the same as the standard Afr not the race not the eliminator not the cnc, just the standard 195 Afr. So another thing is DynoDon's custom headers, your going to need a set of those for your Egr if your smog legal where you are. And even if your not the Vortec probably requires it anyway's but some one else needs to explain that. And in my honest opinion Don has the best. I mean the best 1 3/4 header out there and also could be made to be a Hi rise header, so the flow is correct.

I say get the Base Honed out. I say get the heads professionally ported and get them flowed. I say get Don's 1 3/4 header. And I say get rid of the Slp runners and get a Super Ram or a Mini Ram. So my advice is let a professional place hone the base and depends on the heads Leave that one to some one else more skilled with that head.

So this is a start they will explain to you what they really do..

I dyno Jet tuned dfi gen 6 on 110 octane wide band, fuel map 389rwhp an 442rwtq. 5,600 rpm And we could not even touch the timing yet. I could not afford any more Dyno pulls. Because I'm paying a driver I'm paying the Lamba wide band I'm paying a tuner and I'm paying the Dyno. And this was all done at Blower Drive Service.. Better Known as BDS.. My car had a engine bay fuse problem with the fuel pump or else we would have street tuned for the timing.. My ECU has been tuned just as good as the dfi and It ran faster 1/8th mile than the Dfi.. The dfi required old lap tops so I got out of it for that reason. And now the ecu equipment is just as good on the fly tuning or on the road direct change to the ecu like Dfi is.. Leaving the DFi no longer needed.

Oh Another note they have gained more horse power but I gained more torque
being my engine being a base torque combo it's not bad for an Iron Vortec an mild porting. The E tec will flow much better so if you do everything right there should be no reason not. Also find out there grinds on cams and compression there running.

 

why the hell would you run 110 octane in a street car?

 

For the Dyno Jet and not to blow up the motor and no detonation or pinging and Hi compression motor and the volume of the 383. I have also ran fill up of 100 octane for street tuning an 91 for street tuning.. 1 gallon of 110 per fill up.. When we race I'll be running the same 1 gallon per 91 fill up of 110. if 115 octane half a gallon with 87 shell fill up..

Ok 40 plus hours at paying yourself 8.00 an hour that's 320.00. If you work full time and have weekends off this may take you several weekends and all the tools to get the Hone done. Send it out an have a place Hone it and tell them you want it to flow 270-280 cfm.. Everything else you have already..headers is the?? like I mentioned. But if you have the skill and experience and want to save the money go for it. But the heads need to be port matched also.. You know all this already. If you ever do get a Super Ram all you need to do is counter sink the bolts for the runners to fit. Doing this makes the base set a lot better.

 

sounds like you have a horribly built 383 with mixed matched parts... you should be able to run 91 octane with a 383... Those are horrible numbers on race fuel

 

I guess you wouldnt know unless you built your own 383ci..What's mixed matched about it? It's a Gm performance build. People mix match more different brands than I did.. Worry about what you run I'll worry about what I run..
Just to let you know everybody that talks to me totally for gets the main points on what I have said. I said We didnt even hit the timing yet. Do you know how much power you lose from 6 btdc an 7 btdc? 20 horse power.. So just pay attention..

 

oh you built it? I ment wrong... non compatible parts... parts that should be changed...

 

Not understanding what you are saying. Don built the motor. All the parts do work.. Octane isnt going to give you 40 rwhp it's just for detonation and a little power that's all. It's not like a large Nitrous shot. A 250 shot in my car you would not even feel it. 110 octane you feel.. It's a Vortec 4 bolt block with a Vortec head a Vortec manifold a ZZ4 cam thats Gm. Gm 400 rods Gm crank good for 650hp.. Forged pistons.. The motor sells in Summit.. That's what I built. Go take a look.. They might have a forged crank. I didnt need a forged crank. I actually put money in this crank for the 350 balancer more power and the 400 rear adapter on the back of the crank for more power. Everything is balanced. If i Had a 280 cfm Vortec manifold I would have gained 10 rwhp probably. Actually everyone that has seen the motor and here it run says it is a good running motor. Now like I said if I throw out the rods and get clearanced for a 236/242 engle racing cam an a afr 210 Id make a lot more power that what your seeing now..

 

there are 350's running 91 that would put down the same numbers... I doubt with all dons expericence he built an engine that put down only 400hp and needed race gas... Something doesnt sound right there lmao...

 

vince is putting close if not more then that will a smaller displacement engine...

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-46381/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-46213/

Top of the line summit 383's and they still are able to run 91...

 

Who do you think built the car Donald Duck..I just showed up with octane I could have ran 91 I mean it's just 5,800 rpm.. And to answer your Vince points Vincent Don there on like 3 engines to get where they are now. Im on number one.. Im in no way interested right now to blow those numbers away. There is nothing to prove. Not even in the same displacement..

You guys are dreaming about 360ci an 355's that took 12 years to make even over 400 torque..So your lucky they have done all the foot work for you if you want that 400rwhp number.. Better for you.. Me Im fine right where Im at 1 hp per cubic inch is fine with me.

 

Of course they can run low compression those motors are for Super Chargers needing low compression. Look at it this way Im running 10.6.2.1 compression the 355's run the same throw that compression in a 383ci whole different ball game.. Your looking for the high end 383ci look for the one in the 4-5k range..

 

Im running 10.6.2.1 compression WOW THATS ALOT OF COMPRESSION

 

Hey dont snake this Moderators thread over a 383ci..

Seems like if a 383ci doesnt make 450rwhp the 350 an 355's an 360ci mini rams turn over in there graves..I have heard this 383ci B.S for a long time.. way before you were born with Tgo..

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MLL-BP3830CT1/
This is kinda like what I got but more compression an better forged pistons. Ported Vortecs and a Honed Super Ram and a Mild manifold porting.. You think Don could have spent more than 80 hours to do all the porting. Be realistic..The man did what he could. Probably Don's first 383ci Tpi and he knows it's just a mild 383ci.. Before they had there present numbers now. Back then they know what I had an they were pretty impressed because they know it was a mild 383ci.. Am I asking Don to pull 442rwtq am I asking Allen or Kevin. Jerry has an Alum block.. Let every one run what they have an the way they want to build it. Your just guessing about this octane, you dont even own the car. You never even seen it or any pics of the build. When they mention to other States there making 400hp there not talking about me. Im not even in the subject. There all horse power people not torque people..They with me guessing wont achieve 442rwtq for some time. They dont even care about that number.

 

No parts need changed. All I need is a better cooling system.

 

Don assembled Branden's engine using parts that Branden bought at the time. His engine was built in 2004 before we learned all these tricks to make more flow out of a TPI intake. I assume Branden went with 110 octane on the dyno because of his 10.62:1 compression and iron heads, but he mentioned he didnt know it was leaded and would mess up his cats. Now he knows that and uses 100 octane unleaded.

I dont know if Branden has dynoed his car recently, but I'm sure if he applied all the tricks we've learned in the last 8 years to his engine, he'd make even more power than the 388/442 he made to the wheels. Those numbers were very impressive back in 2004, but technology changes and now they're just average numbers.

 

Thanks for fixing the thread Kevin. There was no need to go in details in the moderators post if were talking about Tpi an flow.

I really dont know what else to say about the 383ci.. Don just mentioned to me that he had a 383ci long block. we were going to build my 350 to a 355..So Don nor I knew of nothing internal of the block at the time.

This is how it went. Gene Jones Racing in the stickys. I met him at Irwindale with my flamed camaro I sold to a young man named John It had a built 700r4 and I was sad to see it go because it been in my family for a long time. It was custom painted an Gold Leaf an sterling silver graphics. So I got Gene's number. I went to his place and I bought his Chromed out Honed super ram with the Lingenfelter throttle body.. That was the first part I bought mod wise

 

Leaded can also skew the wideband readings and damage sensors. Make sure your sensor readings are accurate.

Those numbers are good for iron vortecs with alittle port work. Vortecs in the right hands can make big power but thats alot of money to put into a head when other castings are available to make more power with for less. Bowtie big port 215 or 225 cc castings can be a serious performer at 1100 a pair with mild clean up work to the ports. Else go with aluminum.

10.6 to 1 on iron is alot of comp and may need more than 91-93 oct typical pump fuels. If it was aluminum it should be fine on pump fuel.

 

I also bought a engle 236/242 cam from him. I told him I cant install this cam right now. I was just stock. So he helped me install the super ram. But it was a Speed density throttle cable so my trans tv cable was in the wrong area. So Don said Branden that Super Ram is to large for the stock 350 and he took it off. It's potential was there of gain but not worth it having everything stock..

So I asked Don about heads.. I was looking for a Vette 113 head. So I paid Don to fix my valve seals and left my heads on. So he told me about the Vortec head and the Heart shape combustion chamber and mentioned a Nova with Vortecs was running 12 flat.

So I found a good take off Vortec from a Transmission mechanic that worked for Gm.. I got them in Corona. They were like brand new heads.

Next we have the 383ci and nobody knew nothing about it and I asked Don can I buy that an build it. And at this time I also bought a new set off ebay Slp tri Y headers. So I sold them and got my money back or more. probably even..
So we find out it's a Vortec Block 4 bolt main with standard 400 rods and 400 crank. And it had some fresh Forged pistons 2 valve relief. not sure if two or four.
We cleaned up the pistons together and we talked about just lie that it's a 355.. But actually it was for smog, So I spent 200 or more to Mallory metal and balance everything with the 350 balancer and the Ib flext plate and the 400 rear crank kit It's a piece of metal that mounts to the crank and the torque convertor maybe.

Next was a cam. He said he had a zz4 cam out of his car. Used roller cams are not a problem no big deal. Vincent had a zz9 but had a problem with it or I would have went with the zz9..
So I put down money for new Manley springs an retainers and guide plates. They sat there for a long time just waiting. Jerry cut the rocker boss off for the type engine push rods etc.
Next Don told me with the smaller Gm head gasket the compression would be to high so he said he use the thicker and that makes my compression what it is today. What I did not hear and what broke our friendship was this. I did not pay attention about Don saying buy some new pistons. I thought the compression would be fine because 355's were running them. But with an alum head mostly. I didn't know what really the 383ci an what the stroke does. Don talked to me about a lot of stuff.
So we got the correct push rods from Chet.
I provided 30lb svt injectors. Sr gaskets and the brand new Sdpc Vortec manifold. Don advised me to have him port the Vortecs. A whole lot harder with an Iron head than Alum head. So we at least got some port work done. Same with the base it is just mild port work.
So then the motor was put together an Don made the injector plug harness so you can remove the SR being on the engine.
Then we had a problem with the Vortec bolts an the Vortec base. Took Don a day to think about it and that was counter sink the bolts. By doing this he said the base manifold sat down much better an was perfect. So I will probably not have any leaks ever there.
Next was the headers The Hi rise 1 3/4 Vortec custom header. Also the dual cat Y pipe and I got his 3" mandrel bend into my Cross flow master with 3" angle cut tips like the Harley's have. Don had to move a few emission things to the front of the engine with the Vortec. Everything was ok by Don with the parts but the Pistons we just didn't have a firm enough conversation about buying new pistons. So then Don built the block and he installed it and it fired up and never died ever. It had Mass at the time. Kevin tuned it and when it was all done and paid to take home. I smogged it an had very very low emissions for a 383ci..Which was great news.

Then I wanted Don to change it to speed density and I got a chip from him probably and I got a Berreta 7730 ECU..I then had that tuned and we were having some pinging problems in the heat of summer. As long as the engine and head is cooler the car is no problem. That's why I said Vince said maybe another type of Vortec spark plugs may fix it. I went to the dealer and bought the plugs there. I also think If I upgrade to a better trans cooler and upgrade to a Be cool the pinging wont be there. If slightly 91 it will run an add half of gallon of 100 octane.

I may have been told the 110 octane was leaded by Gene but I'm not sure. I just gave him the money to get me fuel and this is what he brought and he said just use a gallon per fill up while doing the dyno and street tuning etc.. My Et's were not the full potential because my 02 sensor was real bad an the 110 octane what it does to it. You need a new o2 sensor an extra if you want to use that kinda fuel but it probably isn't that much different than a 100..so just a 100 for the future b/c I cant keep replacing the convertors.

Right now I'm spending a lot of money on the car for the steering components and as long as the engine is ok It's fine for now. I'm looking to fix other details with the car.

So back then we did what we could and I just wanted something that performed.. What's more important is all the suspension is upgraded. Boxed Lca's relocation brackets. Side rail sub frame connectors provided by Russ.. We kinda built a green car an made use of used but good parts. This is just a street car and a Highway car. I'm glad I can make it from here Orange County to Bakersfield with a half of tank. Great freeway mileage an even put the pedal down and the car behind me seen me pull so fast an far he flashed his lights. It's a great running car in that range. Not a traffic car at all.

So the parts I got a great deal but for the over all complete build and the dyno an the tuning an all this stuff it really adds up. I'm currently paying near 700.00 for the steering components and gear box. Then tires are 800.00.. It's just a lot of money and it was hard to build the car when you had money but I told Don hey we gotta get this done my pocket is burning a hole right through it..

Now if I was to rebuild it.. First Id keep the Super Ram.. Id probably build a 396ci with a afr 210 and correct rods and pistons and a not so expensive crank because I would still want it balanced with the 350 balancer if possible. If that subject is a No Id build the 383ci again. Id use the roller bearings on the cam journals and grind something just under a 236/242 an get rockers and new valve covers but nothing tall so the rockers would have to fit being the lower because I don't have room with the wiring an the SR. Id buy something like the Big Mouth base or Accel base manifold and have it honed out. The heads would be Cnc and polish the valves. Then I get a better ignition an distributor. And that's probably pretty much it. Just use a 3" dual cat.. Then what other tricks that can be done Id be open for it. I learned a light weight crank is a way to go Vincent has been using those in the passed..So these new tricks Kevin an Dons knows of now that's good for them. each engine builder has all the tricks in the book. But flow is where were at. The 396ci would put me at over 440rwhp..But honestly I don't need a car with that much power.

So that's the story an Don has built even bigger engines but still was a long time ago. If he got that build back again he probably be able to make more power out of it..

Don Kevin Vince an Allen all have the ability an knowledge to be where they are today. They have been in the industry for a very long time and it's great to see that they have made there sbc mark over the 400rwhp mark.

So yeah there is another way to build this engine but that requires a lot more money. Just taking it one step at a time. This conversation still does not mention all the other new parts I put on the car. The transmission is near two grand. I bought all the hard parts online for the 4l60 upgrade and the best clutches and seal kit they have an trans go kit. the bench build was from 600-800 plus the cost of all the upgraded parts. It be 2 grand for sure if I had bought a Yank 3,200 stall lock up convertor. The transmission will most likely get some more upgrades in the future over the engine, Don and Kevin said I cant put in a bigger cam. I may not have clearance for it.. Would have been nice to upgrade to a larger cam an hone the base. Then I be above the 400rwhp mark no problem..

Thanks Kevin for explaining what you did it helps.Honestly I dont go around picking everybodys car showing there rwhp and say why this or that. But if it's discussing a race then yeah.. It all has been a learning experience.

 

Yes you are correct..I dont know why the Vortecs were used or the port work. But selling them was not going to get my money back and honestly it was a good choice an a bad choice. Back then Afr was still a ?? But they have gained over the years so Afr is the way to go the next build.

As long as I get the cooling complete there shouldnt be no pinging. Im questioning my ram air. It's Alum A/C vent you use for your house that is put in around the fog light area and is huge an big as the cut out boxes. Im thinking the Ram Air is blocking some of the Radiator that needs nothing there to better cool. Im going to be fixing this down the road. As long as I run 91 and keep my foot out of it it's fine.. Just a street cruiser. If I want to run correct use a good o2 sensor that I have in now an not use anything higher than 100 octane. Wait wait No I did not Dyno with 110 octane I take that back because I remember now. The tuner ask if it was pinging an the driver said no. Now I remember yeah the dyno was with a tank of 100 octane.. the 115 was used on the street an the track..Oh and another thing if I go with 3" dual cats. I want a Cut out put in for the track if they ok it?

 

I'll post some pics up with the build..Everyone dont take this build to be the math of what your 383ci could be if you do decide you want a stroker. This is just a learning experience an a Dinosuar here.

 

Well the most important pics where the porting of the Vortecs. Those are on my other computer. Everything else everyone has seen before.

 

Yeah Im for certain a Vortec E tec head with this compression will run fine on 91.. Later I think I go with the Afr head but that would require relocating everything Don has done like a vette with certain parts but Im sure they can stay possibly or go back in there orignal location if I dont stay with a Vortec head later in the future. The only problem is selling the Iron head. I would lose so much money. All the cost for the springs an retainers and guide plates and all the money in port work. I think someone that wanted a Iron Vortec would only pay stock used price. That's the main problem, an from the start also.. It's been since 2004 it's 2012 and the motor only has 4k miles on it. It's just now broken in.. I cant go changing the complete block to make everything better an bring my rwhp up to 440rwhp.. Then your in the range of breaking parts and I dont want to go there yet..

 

If some one knows of anybody that built a 383ci with the Vortec E tec heads and a honed Vortec base and those injector bosses taken down.
I would like to review the thread. Id like to see how much rwhp there making and also torque. And what cam they used.

You know actually I need to be more careful in others threads of what I say or what I experienced. It's not always bad what I explain but seems now more than ever Tgo is being more moderated than I have ever seen before. Like in a for sale section.. A list of parts for sale and if some one I know makes a comment, then I say something about some parts to them and it doesn't belong there it's out of category and needs to be removed.
And with the comment with the person really isn't there venue but I was just asking why.

So if you see your post removed from a thread, just take it as the moderator is taking best judgement and removing the post.

So this thread was just made to explain mostly why I ran 110 octane and 100 octane. And long time ago I thought even 100 was leaded. Because I remember the days when we ran leaded in our fuel.
In my Malibu I ran 100 octane as it was a 4 cyl. and I wanted it to run strong coming back from Vegas. So I would fill up what was left from going there and later I had to replace the convertor. This may be cause this 4 cyl should not use 100 octane but I think it could have damaged the cat being closer to the exh. manifold. So now I mostly rent a car with more power like a 6 cyl Mustang. It performed well up the hills going an coming back from Vegas. But you do need to watch your speed because coming down a long slight down grade you then look an your at a high speed. And if something happens an a front tire blows. It would be a long time before a Ambulance could get on the scene. a Helicopter would most likely be showing up.

So I know there will not be much comment on this thread, this thread does not contain any racing category and should not be put on this thread. It's open for new discussion about what I mentioned a 383ci Vortec E tec honed base an cam and Super Ram. Just want to review that information that's all.. So your welcome to bring the link here if you like.

Thank You CaliBranden

 

I disagree, if its got money invested into the head with good parts, and port work, that increases the value significantly. Obviously its used and you cant expect to get exactly what you paid for out of it, but certainly not lose it all and sell for stock vortec rates!

 

Yeah true just depends on the person an the sale. I have the best Iron Vortec part number. Used there about 300.00 I have over 250.00 In Manley springs an retainers and guide plates. Good seals. I have over 200.00 In port work. And I have 385.00 or more with the mild port work base. I would need 900.00 total sale from the Iron Vortecs and the base manifold. a 1,000 with the rockers. That's 500 for the heads an 400 for the base.. I just dont see me even getting that.. I have tried to sell them to local member here but the sale did not go through. I advised that the heads would not be removed unless I recieved full payment for the heads and the base manifold. The base manifold usually holds the value because people just want to save from the full price and the taxes. Port work to the base is also worth about 100.00.. So yeah Id be pretty firm on the price. Im open to it if any one is interested in the Vortec's There a nice upgrade for a 350 tpi..A set of Slp runners or any aftermarket runner and ported stock plenum the Vortec heads an base would really bring the 350 up a few numbers for sure. And of course that would be free mods to mass if so or cut out ram air boxes with K&N filters or even a stock SR.. 1 3/4 headers will raise the mark also with a mandrel 3" cat back. But to rebuilt an freshen up the block a 355 would perform better just keep the compression right under mine.. Im sure a lt4 hot cam would go nice with the heads also. There is also custom grinds that Vincent and Allen an Don an Kevin could provide for such person if they feel.. This would put such person above the stock Lsx dyno that put 340 rwhp.. So it should make about that much power or more with what I have described with a 355ci..

 

This is what bugs me about this site now. There was a lot of trolling going on at the beginning of this thread. Theres no need to be so rude about it, if you believe he could make better numbers with different parts then respectfully suggest those parts. Everyone is such dickwads on here when they see something they dont 100% agree with. Im glad a moderator could step in and smooth things over some.

Nice build btw, even if the 383 doesnt make the absolute best numbers the numbers its putting out are still very respectable. In the race for power people tend to forget, theres always someone with more power and always someone faster, so just build it to what suits you and enjoy it! :-)

 

maybe you have not noticed, but thats how CaliBranden gets down...

 

Very true, people just dont think very well. Like I have said before Tgo has dropped in percenatage in help wise. It is much harder to get help. Another there are a lot of new people here. Respect is not there because they have not heard my real life personal expressions. Yes I was involed in some lock threads. But that was not a 100% my fualt because we were talking about a dead subject from two years ago I never knew existed. Im one person, I had attacks and I can see there attacks even with short termonology. This person didnt like me telling him the truth about his headers and his asking price was way to high. He then used me as a tool an make be out to be a fool. Well that didnt last long because a moderator changed it or he did. It was advice to let him know and understand for what he had was way to high. Then he goes an says regard to another post that There is a copy cat out there. And someone said Don has no worries. I then told him Don is a copy cat also. So what's the point. Don jumped in an didnt understand what I know about his headers and being far more superior than Slp. He used a Jig to design a Slp design Header, Im not saying the complete header but part. Then Justin thinks Im being tricky then say that I praise Dons headers that there far more superior then his header for sale or I dont know what.

He now has is own thread with the headers for sale and I told him I would not respond and say anything. And Im sure he had some moderators help to due so because the post was deleted, an me knowing an he then uses my name at first. So some moderator allowed him to joke using my name as the tittle not cool. That just pissed me off..

Then Justin has a thread look what I got. Well even Vince expresses look what I got in a short form. Then a friendly racing match is made but makes a remark only friendly runs with the tpi besides CaliBranden with a lol.. Im not here to made laughed at or a clown. I made my point that 340rwhp of a diferent member that I finanly got some results and I was off by 2 rwhp..
This was a back a forth battle again. And Im wondering what's up with this Lsx crowd. Well from what Kevin states they battled this years ago and got no where. I then made a challenge of four five months from now make an event. And if Lsx wins then what ever build threads or mods all members need to be let known is that you need to respect there space. They had earned there respect. So I said the same for the Tpi..
Then there was people saying oh it's never going to happen and all that. It can happen it just needs to be a farther date for people to get there cars ready. So threads all got locked because Im only speaking and I know the Tpi people were not on the site. They like to talk about a venue as such at a club meeting than over the internet because that what works.

People then make some more comments and Im like you know I give up these people are taking my expressions a little to serious. They never said ok Branden why are you so upset? Not a one said that. They said we cant understand what he is talking about like they have ear plugs in and for got how to read english. Saying it was to hard to understand what I write because I go from one subject into another subject of things an blend also something else into the subject. It was to hard for them to understand.

I then start working on my own car and getting it ready and I think how in another way can I express how Lsx can get the credit for all the hard work that they only know an understand because we have not done it.
I then said try to get this such person into a magazine and show of the F-Body Lsx swap and what there are an what it takes to complete the job just a write up as they have for tpi a nitrous in the passed. Give it some credit for the hard work put into it. Because they complain every lsx post get locked because someone come in an starts something. SCTPI has there own club now. If you want make your Lsx's club and be open for members to come an learn about the Lsx then. Now this is new advice. If there involed with sc3g an happy with that fine.

 

Yes Calibranden will come after you if you come in an make comments like that and don't know what you are talking about like Mike said these people don't know me or my car or passed history of real life form, there is a lot of young people here now I hear.

So to come in an talk about Don and he would never have that. Well that's where this person in the post said I'm glad when someone comes in an make people understand why is he using this an. That it comes to find out that fuel wasn't even used on the dyno. Thunder your saying your just a reader but if you dont have a one on one conversation or don't hold a normal conversation then why do you post?

You then PM me some stupid stuff about one of my friends that's not cool he is a business professional and your mechanics you must think of them as maids or something. What you said what rude an out of context and just trying to get some one to that person information about you, then that such person will think ok I'll have my eyes and ears ready on that one. But that's not the case because the person is a business man.

You have to be cool with these thirdgen mechanics because there is not a lot of them. This person just is a close friend. And I only help him out if he asks me to. That person doesn't even have a Tgo membership never has never will. So he isn't going to me PM ing you.. He is a business professional and he doesn't need to be hear talking with people about thirdgens. He only needs a sticky that some one else made and I mentioned some info about them also. Gene is not going to be taking Don customers either unless there in private discussion and they want Don to do the job or Don is to busy and they cant wait then they can let Gene know that or not and he handles what ever 3rdgen work that comes from this web site. Gene told me him self it's not about getting f-body owners for them to chose him as there mechanic or builds. It's more important that his name an information of the business is here and that's all there needs to be. The man is happy for that an appreciate it.

So your not understanding that this person is noticing that post are being moderated and helping out so such things can happen an be open for topic in private meeting discussions with such venue. Since then I been just writing in my own topics. So for the future if some one wants to do a such rebuild all the information is there an explained again from a sticky. But explaining it in a different way. And most important if you don't do a rebuild keep your core and make sure you don't lose or mess up the pitman arm because they are very hard to find. It's not about there being comments in the thread. I write a lot of threads just get reviews but no post. that's what I like.. That could be such person as your self. I'm sure when you come to Tgo you think to your self what do you want to research today and what post do you want to read.. Are you not posting anything about your self or your f-body because you have no modifications or your thirdgen doesn't need anything? What have you learned from Tgo since you became a member? Can you speak in a normal fashion. Because I live in the best fashion city In the United States. So can you speak in a normal fashion for discussion or anything you have learned other than what you feel about certain members?

 

Nice build btw, even if the 383 doesnt make the absolute best numbers the numbers its putting out are still very respectable. In the race for power people tend to forget, theres always someone with more power and always someone faster, so just build it to what suits you and enjoy it! :-)[/quote]

That's pretty much what I did. I like the build platform. I still works but it can be changed when the motors has 30k miles That will be 2016 before I get there. So yeah there will always be some one with more power and Im ok with that because I built it with what I had and what I could get or what we discussed about. So for now that's why Im doing other things to the car. And it's not even on the road yet. I just want to know I replaced all those parts that were old an worn out. This is why I mentioned about 4-5 months to the members. I wont have the car on the street till maybe October. Im going to continue to fix what I need. I dont need to go out there to be a half second faster than a just recent lsx swap. The displacement is not there. The motor is but by the dyno results of another persons results it's not even over smaller Tpi builds..You have one or two Lsx's swaps that maybe fast. And I have never seen or been told how are they so fast. They have nothing in there sig about there motor combo or mods or anything. I removed my sig an all my information because my car has been down tuned some and off the street so the sig isn't present today.

 

its has nothing to do with the past... I didnt even know who you were however when try and bring people down and saw how he didnt do anything special and how your car is faster and you have to pay people to do things it makes people angry thats why people are "dickwads" because you give advice on topics that you dont know then trash other peoples threads

 

Notice how its only you people talk about? why not don or kevin or vincent? because even though some of us disagree we still treat others with respect.

 

Look I don't know why all people only talk about me. If they say anything
there just making negative comments, Is that what your talking about.
Look you don't talk about me an not to expect for me to trash you.
You all can keep this trash talker all you want. You all won't admit the
guy should have kept his mouth shut, this was twice having a conversation with the guy. I know what a ls1 is. So I don't know about threads. How is that when I already knew the information about the headers when this Justin was what 12 years old. You don't know what your even talking about. The locked thread it's simple don't talk about me an there wont be anything said period.. It is not my problem that he has less than 340rwhp and he has done all the work himself. I say I pay for work to be done. Allen pays Vincent pays for things they all do Kevin even pays. So your point is point less. Yes I have worked on not just this thirdgen but others. Gas tanks rear ends multiple transmissions. Super Rams and other misc parts.
I was a R&R transmission mechanic so I worked on other makes an models R&R and transmission. Justin called me a lackey. Justin will never ever be able to learn how to rebuild a transmission neither will I.. So he worked with his family with builds when he was younger. That age I was not into working on cars. My family had new cars and trucks we didn't need to work on them maybe help remove an engine from a Z-28 an a Toyota 4wd pick up. I was more into sports baseball and agriculture working with Steers and showing. And yes I know my car is faster than his. I can tell that just by his idle video. So you all that have this belief I'm so bad. It's all just the truth. And one member is on probation. Am I harassing him about being on probation? And I don't care. And none of them have came back to Tgo since the locked thread. So stop saying all this when it was all just the truth.. To bad I didn't say ok lets race an see who's faster. But I don't even need to do that. Vincent said himself it's not going to happen. But it just might. So sorry you all cant handle the truth. I really don't care what you say in this thread do whatever you want with it. I did not create it, nor I care. No words is going to change my vehicle or my knowledge.

People talk with Kevin Vincent and Don.. It's mostly them helping people. So of course. But you mean the Southern Ca area. Well my Mike explained that already. Go an read what he said. That's a part of it.. I'm not here to make friends with people that say positive things. I just communicate back with them. You all might be making friends. I don't need thirteen friends. There is people here that know me and from the past but I don't even know them anymore. They rarely even know me anymore. That's why Mike said Branden you used to be real cool long time ago.I still am but I dont like people calling me out in public or made topic post in related to there parts an passed discussion. So that's why I did not respect the person and we discussed what we did.. He is open for another post if he wants. And I wont post there. Because I know he is going to focus on his car an peoples comments and that's it.. He actually has not even made a post in the So Ca section since then. So I have to say is go on keep believing I'm this Post thrasher when you all on the other side have it all wrong. What was I to say oh no you will most likely take the advantage on me and I would lose, and I'll try. No it doesn't play out like that. And you all went as low to try an Ban me. Give me a break. It all was well deserved when you call some one out an do the things you do because your nearly an adult and say stuff like that an laugh.

 

Not too many people on this sub forum.

Check this section out, maybe ask there .
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/

 

This forum is retired.. But still kicking with two clubs.. A lot of people have retired from this Hobby. As far back as 97 everything started to fall..

 

Yes now today they are average numbers, keep in mind the tuner only brought out 5,800 rpm the Super Ram still makes power up in the 6,600 range being a stroker an the Size of the honing of the Super Ram.. What was being done with the tune was just tuning a correct ratio in the fuel map with wide band with the speed an rpm. The dyno Jet was much different than what you all dyno on. First of all the car is up in the air On a Rack an backed up to the Dyno Jet wheel, a wheel that is much larger than a Dyno.. There is no fan for the ram air. So there is no power there air wise vs being down on ground on a dyno jet. The tuner tuned the combination for torque because it being a 383ci stroker, It ran more than 389rwhp but the torque was effected and we ran again to get the figures where they were 442rwtq an then the horse power was lower at 389 rwhp.. So know being down tuned those numbers are not no longer there. Re tuning needs to be done on the dyno jet and some way there needs to be a blower up in the air so my ram air is getting air flow like 65 mph to 120 mph like on the freeway. The car needs Dyno pull higher numbers than what you all pull because it has more cubic inches and more power to be made bringing it out to 6,600 rpm.. If this method is taken an re tuned they would not be average numbers they be equal power as the 355's a 360 ci with Alum heads and much larger cam an full out Honed Tpi. You all know your looking for the hp mark. I set a torque mark. Of course it's not fair because of the more cubic inch I hold. But it can hold the credit if later I hone out the Vortec Base and Use Vortec E Tec cnc heads. If I bought another crank and rods an depending on the forged pistons if a builder says there ok to re use I might be not so sure I might want a new set. Then I be clearance for a cam that is two notches down from a 236/242 engle cam I used to have. As long as it's not out of smog range and I have more lift and something just as good grind you all are using now something more aggressive than a lt4 hot cam. Then they would not be average numbers. They would be a better correct combo for a 383ci.. If some one wants to buy the crank and the rods and the heads and cam an rockers Id be open to pull the engine. But I would sell the pistons to someone else because there to much compression with the Vortec head. Depending on condition if there re sale able. Then Id have the engine pulled and someone would have a 383ci combo package ready for there block. Just with a lower compression piston an the smaller Vortec head gasket used. I'm unsure buying new pistons make the crank no longer balanced I'm unsure of that. But I think its balanced for the 350 balancer and the flex plate an the 400 adapter on the rear of the crank. So it should be able to be used for another build with 350 balancer. I would suggest new rod bolts an everything needed. The parts all should be in good condition. So I'm open to selling the items. I just cant sell the entire long block because I'm keeping the block and the 4 bolt main journals and the pistons and the base manifold. If this were to happen I would not be able to race the car till next year season. As I would have to buy also tuning equipment and get a tuner to tune the ECU if Kevin wanted to stay away from the tuning like we mentioned about that in the passed.

 

Branden Gene's got an LT1 laying around there somewhere and he's building a 420ish LS3 on the cheap. Just go that route. Be done with it. How long have we talked about your car? Ive only seen it once running and when was that? Like 01? OF course thats the last time mine was running, but thats another matter all together lol Sell the vortecs to some truck guy that would likely salivate at the idea of them in his truck.

As soon as I finish pulling the 500 ponies out of my 408 in the Bronco you can just copy what I do to my Camaro.

 

Ah James your trying to do this. You collect the parts an never finish. I even give you credit that money is hard to come by while you collect parts. But Im not going that route. My ride is Tpi.. All Im doing for it's future is swapping heads an cam an try an get the based honed what ever direction I go. Not even worried about what numbers I'll pull. So I sent Cam Motion an Engle my mod list a specs an it will be a small base circle cam like the 236/242 I used to own. Of course I cant go that aggressive but Im looking for something legal an not have much more lope that a lt4 hot cam.

This is what Im looking for 1:00 in is the lope Im looking for. Same with power.

 

delete that there.

 

Right now Im currently offering the ported 062 I have an base manifold. Im asking stock price. And full total on the base manifold because of the port work an countersunk work. For anybody local 529.00 OC

 

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WRONG like usual! The higher the octane the less likely it is to spontaneously ignites causing "knock". Just because you fill up with 110 doesn't mean you're going to magically get more power

 

I never said I filled up with 110. I had it in on dynojet an there was no knock with that fuel. And yes the Stroker likes the octane. How much power not sure did I mention it? 91 to 110 is easily 10hp gain for my combo. I got that with my version ram air installed.

 

The Roc is screaming.. Dont know where my Iac thread went with a Tgo Supporter.. But it was the Iac. I order it from Rock Auto an if anyone wants a made in America Delphi is your Iac choice but you have to go with the Heritage Year Camaro with RockAuto to find it.

 

The Accel base manifold came in today, Everything looks good with it an now it's off to get Hogged out by Slic. All the steering came into today an by 9:00pm the car will be loaded on the trailer an taken to Gene Jones Racing. A final good bye to this thread. The new thread will start once the new Combo is up an running an when I have full detail of everything to share. And once again it wont be about racing or anything like that. It's just going to be a thread of the new build. Thanks for coming, a lot of heat an hate might have came to this thread, but now it's gone. See ya months down the road. Untill then keep firing them up.