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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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I'm wondering if the motor mounts from an LS1 will bold up. I know I'd probably have to buy the swap kit which doesn't bug me but i'd like to know it I still need it. I guess I guess I can always call them if I have to but I figured it'd be easier to ask here first.
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:48 PM
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I am pretty sure you will still need the adapters. The new K member has provisions for a Gen 1 block and not Gen 3. The mounts are in different locations. Thirdgens with tubular K members and LS1 swaps may be the coolest thing ever. What is your set-up going to be?
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 04:08 PM
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just as the sig says, I'm considering either a 4L60E in place of the T-56. Only reason would be for consistancy. Then I'm either considering a HUGE shot or possibly a turbo setup, but I'm thinking NOS only because I don't know if i want to spend the money for the custom turbo setup. If I do spray it I'm going to be looking at around 900-1000 hp on the gun. Then the car will probably weigh in to 3000-3200 pounds fully loaded. All in all I'm thinking high 10's on the motor alone. I'm kinda wondering how the spray will affect the quuarter times since the car will probably be all over the track. Probably a Progressive Nos controller to help out with that. I'm going to take pictures when I totally get everything started so I have a record for myself and anyone else who would be interested.

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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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talk with them as they should be able to help you out. when i was working on the ls6 swap they had no problem with making a setup.

good luck!

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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 04:46 PM
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just as the sig says, I'm considering either a 4L60E in place of the T-56. Only reason would be for consistancy. Then I'm either considering a HUGE shot or possibly a turbo setup, but I'm thinking NOS only because I don't know if i want to spend the money for the custom turbo setup. If I do spray it I'm going to be looking at around 900-1000 hp on the gun. Then the car will probably weigh in to 3000-3200 pounds fully loaded. All in all I'm thinking high 10's on the motor alone. I'm kinda wondering how the spray will affect the quuarter times since the car will probably be all over the track. Probably a Progressive Nos controller to help out with that. I'm going to take pictures when I totally get everything started so I have a record for myself and anyone else who would be interested.

Chris
That thing sounds outright scary. At first I wondered why you wanted to rid the T-56 but then I read further. You need a tranny that killed elvis to handle that beast.
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 07:10 PM
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i'd go with something other then a 4l60 (700-r4 that's heavier). they won't last long either...
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Old Sep 13, 2003 | 10:07 AM
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Yeah that would be the other option but even the guys down the street at LS1SPEED are switching a lot to TH-400, cause they can't get 4L60E to keep up with monster HP levels. They hold up good until about 600 flywheel HP. Then it's caboom. I'm going to see how much they're getting for what since I'm more in planning stage right now but the actual work isn't too far off. Maybe I'll just have Larry over there put one together and see how well it works. I can't wait.......Oh, and the future wife told me I couldn't spray it so the decision has been made to suck boost. It's gonna be a turbo car!!! Yeah.
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Old Sep 13, 2003 | 01:56 PM
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that makes alot of sense seeing as how nitrous is cheaper.....does she know that?
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 07:29 AM
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Yeah I told her the turbo setup is going to be a ton more expensive, but she said she sees nitrous as cheating!! I guess I'll be one of very few turbo LS1's in a thirdgen thanks to my future wife!! Talk about lucky. Now the olny true test will be finding a way to limit the hp (think LT5) when my daughter is old enough to drive it!! Oh the things I do for her!!
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by fakezcar
I guess I'll be one of very few turbo LS1's in a thirdgen thanks to my future wife!!
you are a LUCKY man. :hail: :hail: :hail:

if it weren't for my the GF i had for 4 years, i might have a turbo LS1 as it is i have a 305 TBI

BTW, does she have any sisters
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:02 PM
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There is a guy here in Dayton who has a twin turbo 35th aniv T/A and the thing is downright scary. His best Et is 10.05 and that is with a 9" rear with 3.50 gears, roll cage, stock 346 displacement, slicks, and a few other drag goodies. His best trap is 136 I belive. You can see videos of it in the general discussion forum at www.daytonfbody.com. His name is Mike Brown. He is building a 382 LS1 to replace the 346 wih the same turbo set-up on it. Anyways, a turbo LS1 in a thirgen should scream. The wieght difference alone should get you in the 9's. I belive the guy put down 650 to the wheels if I remeber correctly. He does underrate his cars though and he said his 30th TA Conv. just had a cam and it ran a 12.05.
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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Dewey316
you are a LUCKY man. :hail: :hail: :hail:

if it weren't for my the GF i had for 4 years, i might have a turbo LS1 as it is i have a 305 TBI

BTW, does she have any sisters
Well first things first. I believe I am very lucky. I've been dating her for 2 years and have known her for about 11 or 12. She also has a 3yr. old daughter we're raising. (Oh so much fun!!)

and currently the car is a non-running 357 tpi. it also started as a 305 tbi. We've pretty much decided we're keeping it because of the cars no longer being produced. And we're getting a haouse next year after the "BIG DAY". second my dad donated a huge heater for the garage (I gotta put it to use somehow ) Best was the line.....

"Which should I do for the Camaro dear? Turbo or Nitrous??"

"Turbo?.?. Is that right?"

"There's no right answer, I'm asking your opinion."

"Turbo, I consider Nitrous cheating."

"Ok but you know it's going to cost more."

"It's not like it's getting built tomorrow!!"



BTW: Yes she does have a sister, and she's two years older.

Chris
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Old Sep 16, 2003 | 12:22 AM
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i'll never understand why people consider nitrous to be cheating but whatever works. N20, turbos and superchargers are all alot of fun.

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Old Sep 16, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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It seems to easy to get that much more power at the switch of a button.
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Old Sep 16, 2003 | 10:15 PM
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It seems to easy to get that much more power at the switch of a button.
i agree. i personally dont think a motor is designed to have 1 mod to bring it to godliness. i tend to think spraying is cheating with the exception of a well modded motor.
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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 12:47 AM
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no reason to change the thread to a discusion on nitrous but i don't see it that way. if you moderate the nitrous to levels the engine can handle it's the same as running forced induction. on that basis nitrous plummed to my intercoolers would be considered cheating.

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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 12:58 AM
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you do make a good point but i still tend to think its cheating. i mean would you like pulling up to a bone stock 1983 ford escort that blows you away because it has a shot of nitrous? i know thats exageration but all the time and effort, and money, i put into my car and loose to an escort would **** me off.
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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 01:27 AM
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oh don't get me wrong i see where those of you who think that way are coming from but anyone who has used the stuff knows that cars such as an escort may be able to do that but for how long?

main reason i ever got into nitrous was to be able to experience some occasional speed without the hefty price tag of forced induction. after building the motor i can honestly say that its wonderful to have that and more there all the time but even still i like to go a little faster once in awhile.

only way i see it as cheating is if you were to race someone who lied to you but nitrous is pretty easy to find.

it's all in good fun!

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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 06:23 PM
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I look at nitrous as steroids in a lifting comp. You only use it because you can't keep up. But on the other hand it is a reliable power adder provided you know what you're doing. If you don't, as with other power adders, things go boom. And don't get me wrong ther will be a 10lb bottle in the back of the car still, it'll only be used on the intercooler as a more effective way to cool it down for the passes. it's still a lot of fun, and that's what building a car is about, isn't it? So either way you go it works.

And to the *******s that "claim" they don't have it then beat-up on a car that's all motor, or better yet a N/A car beats up on them.....all I have to say is HA!! I'd much more see an N/A car beat a Nitrous car. Come to think of it my buddies 4th gen does it quite often.
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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 06:46 PM
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sorry i didnt mean to change the whole topic of the thread like that. but to keep with the original topic, whats the difference with the motor mounts on an ls1 and a standard sbc? i have no idea about newer stuff, i only understand pre 80s.
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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by spartyon
sorry i didnt mean to change the whole topic of the thread like that. but to keep with the original topic, whats the difference with the motor mounts on an ls1 and a standard sbc? i have no idea about newer stuff, i only understand pre 80s.
From the swaps that I have seen I think they are higher on the block and farther back than GEN1 small blocks. Don't hold me to that.
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Old Sep 17, 2003 | 08:31 PM
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I personally don't care about the topic changing since it's shows people thinking and reacting to what was said earlier. But from what I've seen of the k-member and the swap kit it looks as if it'll all bolt up like a solid motor mount. If that's the way it's going to go I'm all set then, and I can finalize plans so the project can start. (I like making sure I know things are going to go together without too much hassle) I guess I'll shoot the manufacturers an e-mail and see if they can give a more solid answer.... oh well.
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