Suspension and Chassis Questions about your suspension? Need chassis advice?

Spohn 13" brake question

Old Oct 20, 2003 | 06:51 AM
  #1  
Mongoose's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 1,790
Likes: 22
From: Monroe,NC
Car: 90 Formula
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt/3.27
Spohn 13" brake question

I was browsing Steve Spohn's website and while checking out the 13" brake kit I noticed that they won't clear Firebird wheels. Is this for ALL Firebird wheels (Formula and GTA 16")? Could you explain why the IROC clears but the High Tech Turbo (Formula) wheels won't? Will the American Racing Torque Thrust 2 wheels clear them in 16"?
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 10:47 AM
  #2  
alloy's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,296
Likes: 6
From: Vancouver, WA
Car: 87 IROC-Z28
Engine: 305 TPI-New 355 on the engine stand
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.73 Eaton posi-Soon a 9" Ford!
Why do the IROC wheel clear and the crosslace and formula wheels don't? Good question. The only idea I have is the difference in who the manufacture of the wheels was. There is a lip inside the cross lace and formula wheels that hits the caliper. The IROC wheels don't have the lip.


If I had a a torque thrust two 16" wheel here, I'd be happy to check wheel clearence for you.

Thanks
Dan
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 12:26 PM
  #3  
formul8!!'s Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,609
Likes: 0
From: www.thirdgentech.com
Car: 2004 GTO
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T-56
The IROC rim is cast as one complete piece. The GTA rims are cast as 2 pieces and welded together as once piece, hence the raised lip.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 12:36 PM
  #4  
Mongoose's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 1,790
Likes: 22
From: Monroe,NC
Car: 90 Formula
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt/3.27
If I'm not mistaken the Formula wheels were cast as a 1 piece wheel also. Anyone have a pic of where this lip is?
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 12:38 PM
  #5  
Dewey316's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 6,577
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR www.cascadecrew.org
Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
IIRC Alloy tried them on a set of 87 16" formy wheels, and a set of 89 GTA Crosslaced wheels.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 01:22 PM
  #6  
Axoid's Avatar
Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 461
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, Ohio
Car: 92 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: T5 manual
Alloy, Have you tested the 91/92 Z-28 wheel?
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 01:50 PM
  #7  
alloy's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,296
Likes: 6
From: Vancouver, WA
Car: 87 IROC-Z28
Engine: 305 TPI-New 355 on the engine stand
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.73 Eaton posi-Soon a 9" Ford!
Originally posted by Axoid
Alloy, Have you tested the 91/92 Z-28 wheel?
Yes fits perfectly. Go here for a pic. Bottom of page, click to enlarge.

http://www.spohn.net/product.cfm?productid=1453
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 08:19 PM
  #8  
Justins86bird's Avatar
TGO Supporter
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 3,838
Likes: 4
From: Another world, some other time
Car: 86 LG4 & 92 TBI Firebird
Engine: The Mighty 305!
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Don't fit GTAs. No!! More bad news.
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 10:29 PM
  #9  
ebmiller88's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 6,420
Likes: 5
From: Fort Mill, SC, USA
Car: '88 Iroc, '91 RS, and a '70 RS
Engine: 5.7 TPI; 5.0 TBI; ZZ4/T56 on the ag
Transmission: A4, A4, slated to be a T56
C4, LS1?? Lotsa options out there if you're having fitment issues.

Ed
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2003 | 11:23 PM
  #10  
Justins86bird's Avatar
TGO Supporter
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 3,838
Likes: 4
From: Another world, some other time
Car: 86 LG4 & 92 TBI Firebird
Engine: The Mighty 305!
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Originally posted by ebmiller88
C4, LS1?? Lotsa options out there if you're having fitment issues.

Ed
Neither one is a 13" tho.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2003 | 09:18 AM
  #11  
Axoid's Avatar
Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 461
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, Ohio
Car: 92 Camaro RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: T5 manual
Originally posted by alloy
Yes fits perfectly.
Thanks, I didn't notice that wheel the last time that check Spohn's site. One more wheel question. I'm sure the stock temp-spare wont work, but do you know if the 1LE or 4th gen spare work? Thanks,
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2003 | 10:37 AM
  #12  
alloy's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,296
Likes: 6
From: Vancouver, WA
Car: 87 IROC-Z28
Engine: 305 TPI-New 355 on the engine stand
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.73 Eaton posi-Soon a 9" Ford!
Originally posted by Axoid
Thanks, I didn't notice that wheel the last time that check Spohn's site. One more wheel question. I'm sure the stock temp-spare wont work, but do you know if the 1LE or 4th gen spare work? Thanks,
My stock spare won't fit, but I've not gotten ahold of a 1LE or 4th gen to check yet. The 1LE spare is a 14" wheel size, so I'd try a 4th gen wheel. Or if you have a flat on the front, move the rear up and put the spare on the back.
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 07:04 AM
  #13  
formul8!!'s Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,609
Likes: 0
From: www.thirdgentech.com
Car: 2004 GTO
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T-56
The 14" 4th gen spare will not work on the rears with the '89 and up bigger 11" brakes. I tried and it grinds on the caliper badly. Unless you want to swap fronts to back if you get a flat, I don't recommend carrying around this spare.

Maybe the 16" spare from the 17" wheel'd SS/WS6 will work?
Reply
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:02 AM
  #14  
Mongoose's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 1,790
Likes: 22
From: Monroe,NC
Car: 90 Formula
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt/3.27
Well,I was just trying to find out about the fitment of the brakes with the Formula wheel. I would like to stick with a 16" wheel due to the already stiff ride from my altered suspension. 17" wheels with the lower profile tires would just make it too stiff. I may wind up going with one of Ed Miller's C4 or LS1 brake conversions.
Attached Thumbnails Spohn 13" brake question-mine.jpg  
Reply
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:34 PM
  #15  
84 1LE's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,671
Likes: 414
From: Oyth
Car: 89RS vert
Engine: Erod
Transmission: 4L65e
Axle/Gears: BW, 3.27
The 1Le aluminium spare(14in wheel) WILL clear the front 1le brake,but NOT the Rear 1le caliper.Have one on my 84 & ive tried it.You would have to put a front wheel in back & use the spare in front( for a rear flat only).My original steel 14in spare wouldnt even clear either fr or Rr brakes.
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2003 | 10:36 AM
  #16  
Schultzy89GTA's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 850
Likes: 0
From: Damascus, OR, USA
Car: 1989 GTA
Engine: 383 Miniram AFR195
Transmission: Tremec TKO
Axle/Gears: BW 9 Bolt/3.70
Originally posted by Justins86bird
Don't fit GTAs. No!! More bad news.

Tell me about it... it was my wheel that we tried it on. Kinda dissapointing but I'm sure that we will figure something out

-Schultzy
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2003 | 06:41 PM
  #17  
TheGreatJ's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 998
Likes: 0
From: Tuscaloosa, AL
Car: 91Z, 91RS, '84 Jimmy
Engine: L98, 355, L98
Transmission: 700R, T56, 700R4
Originally posted by 84 1LE
The 1Le aluminium spare(14in wheel) WILL clear the front 1le brake,but NOT the Rear 1le caliper.Have one on my 84 & ive tried it.You would have to put a front wheel in back & use the spare in front( for a rear flat only).My original steel 14in spare wouldnt even clear either fr or Rr brakes.

You don't want to stick the donut on the back of a 1LE anyway, or any car with posi for that matter. Having different size wheels on the rear will cause a difference in axle rpm that will eat your posi alive. So unless you have an open diff rear (or want your posi to act like one,) ALWAYS put the donut on the front and move a front wheel back.
Reply
Old Oct 25, 2003 | 06:46 PM
  #18  
84 1LE's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,671
Likes: 414
From: Oyth
Car: 89RS vert
Engine: Erod
Transmission: 4L65e
Axle/Gears: BW, 3.27
This wheel inflates to about 26.5in.Which is about the size of a regular tire.It will not harm your posi.Its not the non posi donut type,which is stores inflated.All posi spares store deflated & are inflated to full size when used....
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Frozer!!!
Camaros for Sale
35
Jan 19, 2024 04:55 PM
Vintageracer
Camaros for Sale
12
Jan 10, 2020 05:33 PM
sweet_87_iroc
Camaros for Sale
5
Sep 25, 2015 10:01 PM
redmaroz
LTX and LSX
7
Aug 16, 2015 11:40 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:43 AM.