Spohn LCA relocaton brackets!!! any advice
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Spohn LCA relocaton brackets!!! any advice
I just ordered a set of spohns Lca relocation brackets, anyone got any good installation advice?
I also plan on getting the lakewood Lca's. I hope this will pick up my 60 ft times. Plus I am going from 2.72's to 3.73's on my posi rear.
I also plan on getting the lakewood Lca's. I hope this will pick up my 60 ft times. Plus I am going from 2.72's to 3.73's on my posi rear.
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Just follow the instructions. Mine were installed a few years back and I cannot quit remeber how to do it but I am pretty sure you just bolt it up to the exesting LCA holes and then just weld where it tells you to (around the perimeter of it). Here is a pic if that helps. Kinda hard to see the welds but you can get an idea.
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Originally posted by bluegrassz
thanks for the pic.
Did you notice any difference after the install?
thanks for the pic.
Did you notice any difference after the install?
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Make sure to measure before you weld them in so that both sides are positioned the same.
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Thanks guys for the info. The best I can tell, everyone is picking up a tenth in there 60ft time. Is that about right?
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LCA Brkts.
Originally posted by Justins86bird
Make sure to measure before you weld them in so that both sides are positioned the same.
Make sure to measure before you weld them in so that both sides are positioned the same.
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Re: LCA Brkts.
Originally posted by Dyno Don
Get the Global West ones and you don't have to worry about that.
Get the Global West ones and you don't have to worry about that.
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Dont the spohn brackets bolt in first, and then you weld them?
If they bolt in first, then they should be in the right place. Or am I wrong?
If they bolt in first, then they should be in the right place. Or am I wrong?
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Originally posted by bluegrassz
Dont the spohn brackets bolt in first, and then you weld them?
If they bolt in first, then they should be in the right place. Or am I wrong?
Dont the spohn brackets bolt in first, and then you weld them?
If they bolt in first, then they should be in the right place. Or am I wrong?
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
You are right. Even if you aren't sure you can bolt a lower control arm to it and swing it up and mark it with a pencil. That way you know it is in the right spot.
You are right. Even if you aren't sure you can bolt a lower control arm to it and swing it up and mark it with a pencil. That way you know it is in the right spot.
thanks.
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Id get an adjustable LCA...Not a fixed one... On mine and many others with spohn LCAbrackets from what I read/experienced the hole geometry is OFF and thus you need to be able to correct it...Otherwise you run the risk of negatively affecting your pinion angle..
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Originally posted by Kenwood
Id get an adjustable LCA...Not a fixed one... On mine and many others with spohn LCAbrackets from what I read/experienced the hole geometry is OFF and thus you need to be able to correct it...Otherwise you run the risk of negatively affecting your pinion angle..
Id get an adjustable LCA...Not a fixed one... On mine and many others with spohn LCAbrackets from what I read/experienced the hole geometry is OFF and thus you need to be able to correct it...Otherwise you run the risk of negatively affecting your pinion angle..
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Get the back end up in the air with the front wheels chocked. If you're lucky you can remove the rear pivots of the LCA's without changing the axle's relationship to the car. One bolt will go through the original pivot bolt hole and the bracket. It's lined up right when you either push it all the way forward or back with the pivot bolt in it (I forgot which, but it's fairly obvious when you do it), when it's right the distance between the front pivot, the original pivot and the 2 new pivot holes is the same. It's much more important to get the 2 sides the same then to get them lined up perfectly though. Scribe the outline on the original bracket where you're going to weld, pull it apart, grind that area clean on the original bracket on the axle, reassemble and weld. It's really much easier then it sounds, and with the heavy plate that everything is made of you can run a big heavy bead without worrying about burning through, even with a stick welder.
As far as performance… I feel they're worthless on the street or road racing, even on a car that is lowered quite a bit. At the dragstrip they'll hurt your times with radials or drag radials (they'll hit and grab HARD off the line, but your suspension will unload about 10' out or so, unless you've got no power to start with), but work well on a car running SOFT tires like real slicks. I've run low 1.7's 60's on 275 40 17 GSC's with a stock suspension and air bags in the rear springs with a manual tranny, and wasn't able to manage better then a 1.94 (all the runs were in the 1.94-2.11 range) with the brackets using either of the lowered holes. It would hook so hard off the line that it felt like someone hit the back of your helmet with a brick, and then start spinning 10-20' out.
As far as performance… I feel they're worthless on the street or road racing, even on a car that is lowered quite a bit. At the dragstrip they'll hurt your times with radials or drag radials (they'll hit and grab HARD off the line, but your suspension will unload about 10' out or so, unless you've got no power to start with), but work well on a car running SOFT tires like real slicks. I've run low 1.7's 60's on 275 40 17 GSC's with a stock suspension and air bags in the rear springs with a manual tranny, and wasn't able to manage better then a 1.94 (all the runs were in the 1.94-2.11 range) with the brackets using either of the lowered holes. It would hook so hard off the line that it felt like someone hit the back of your helmet with a brick, and then start spinning 10-20' out.
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bluegrassz, please let everyone know if you notice any improvment after the install. I considered buying them. Are you going to do your mods 1 at a time? Doing them 1 at a time would be ideal to see what improvments they make. Does anyone else think they make a difference for a car that is not lowered? The probably make a little difference, right? Are they worth the time and $? Im sure a lot of other people are asking the same question. Id love to hear any other opinions of people who have them. Good luck bluegrassz!
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Oh, don't get me wrong, they make a big difference, it's just not a difference that is really usable by most people. You will feel a big difference, but you won't be able to run faster with it unless you're running soft slicks at the track
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Originally posted by 83ho86tpi
bluegrassz, please let everyone know if you notice any improvment after the install. I considered buying them. Are you going to do your mods 1 at a time? Doing them 1 at a time would be ideal to see what improvments they make. Does anyone else think they make a difference for a car that is not lowered? The probably make a little difference, right? Are they worth the time and $? Im sure a lot of other people are asking the same question. Id love to hear any other opinions of people who have them. Good luck bluegrassz!
bluegrassz, please let everyone know if you notice any improvment after the install. I considered buying them. Are you going to do your mods 1 at a time? Doing them 1 at a time would be ideal to see what improvments they make. Does anyone else think they make a difference for a car that is not lowered? The probably make a little difference, right? Are they worth the time and $? Im sure a lot of other people are asking the same question. Id love to hear any other opinions of people who have them. Good luck bluegrassz!
I will try this and see what happens. I will post the results. I think the track will be opening in march.
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Not sure if these are of interest... I have posted them before...
These are the Spohn brackets. My car is lowered and the both of the bolt holes matched up fine with the lca's without any adjustment required (i.e. stock length). I did manage to pull a 1.96 60ft on street tires (5 speed car) which is a considerable improvement for me anyway. I look forward to using some drag radials at some point this year.
-Schultzy
These are the Spohn brackets. My car is lowered and the both of the bolt holes matched up fine with the lca's without any adjustment required (i.e. stock length). I did manage to pull a 1.96 60ft on street tires (5 speed car) which is a considerable improvement for me anyway. I look forward to using some drag radials at some point this year.
-Schultzy
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Originally posted by Schultzy89GTA
Not sure if these are of interest... I have posted them before...
These are the Spohn brackets. My car is lowered and the both of the bolt holes matched up fine with the lca's without any adjustment required (i.e. stock length). I did manage to pull a 1.96 60ft on street tires (5 speed car) which is a considerable improvement for me anyway. I look forward to using some drag radials at some point this year.
-Schultzy
Not sure if these are of interest... I have posted them before...
These are the Spohn brackets. My car is lowered and the both of the bolt holes matched up fine with the lca's without any adjustment required (i.e. stock length). I did manage to pull a 1.96 60ft on street tires (5 speed car) which is a considerable improvement for me anyway. I look forward to using some drag radials at some point this year.
-Schultzy
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Nice welds (Mine were the first things I ever welded, and did them with flux core, making them not he prettiest welds I've ever made).
Like I said, I ran low 1.7's on radials in my 6speed car before then, best I could do with them was mid/high 1.9's.
Like I said, I ran low 1.7's on radials in my 6speed car before then, best I could do with them was mid/high 1.9's.
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