i'm looking at buying some weld in sfc's whats the best i can get?

 

Depends on application. Street Car, Drag Car, AutoCross,

 

completly street turning lots of corners and such

 

I am currently looking into this for the same Purpose. Canyon Carver application, I Have looked a Sphon, S&W, Hotchkis, Mac, competition engineering, South Side Machine, Jegsters, Alston. They all Have their good and Bad Points, I will Reply With my results and comparison as soon as research is done.

 

that would be great so far from what i've been reading sphon is great for the track and hotchkis is a great all round sfc

 

I like the Hotchkis, but the fact that they dont triangulate the front togeather bothers me. These are the ones I preferr At this moment. The Hotchkis, Sphon ,competition engineering one of these Three Will Make it on to my car.

 

spohn seems to be a good choice, i like the way it has lots of room and people seem to be satisfyied with it

 

Ok It is to late and my vision is getting blury So I am just going to make the Smart Decision and Say The Spohn will be what I go With, I will Just make sure to Weld them In The Entire Length Of them Every Where.

 

No no don't do that. You have to space out the welds or it will be a weak weld-bond. THe welds should be about 1" each and 3 to 4 inches apart. There is a lot of variance, room for preference so just make sure to space them out and don't make them too long.

 

Thanks for catching that. I am very tired and what I ment to say was Tack weld them the length of the SFC but didn't Come out that Way.

 

Any brand of SFC's will make 100 % improvement for body stiffness on 3rd Gen car. Just make sure you have the ones that require welding. I have the Sphon SFC's on my car.

 

how do you like em? cus its gonna cost me about 500 cdn to get em to canada then i can get them installed

 

Like I said All SFC's are bacically the same. however Spohn are of a very good quality. I am the original owner of my IROC and after the install two years ago the car is now tighter then when it was new.

 

i used hotchiks subs in my camaro, i should have done BMR though. have you looked at theirs yet?

 

I like the sphons because you can stitch weld them down the length of the sub frame. Many others only weld at the fron and rear mouting spots of the sub frame. Any sub frame connector will be a drastic improvement but I like the fact that the spohns will help distribute the stress throughout the entire length of the car and not just in 2 places per side.

 

bmr huh where would i go about finding these?

 

They don't make them anymore. You will have to find a set on ebay or classifieds. Look for bolt in ones that way you know they haven't ben welded on and ripped off.

 

hmm i'll look around for them

 

Any of you guys start getting wheel hop after the install of your sfc's? Read something about that a while ago.

 

very informative post guys!! Thanks a lot for the research info! I've been really looking into SFCs lately and I've been leaning towards the Spohn ones as well, and this more or less confirmed my feelings. I hope to be ordering them soon!

 

wheels hop huh? haven't heard about that

 

from all the sfc's i've looked at spohn seem to add the best "road" stiffness, hotchkis is just an overall good sfc as well.

looks like i'll be getting the spohn though

 

dont make them anymore?! www.bmrfabrication.com thats where you find them. awesome company. hmmm i dont see any in the 3rd gen page... hell, i bet if you mail them they will sell some to you i just got some for my brothers 4thgen hawk. they are THICK. i was very happy with them. and never buy bolt in's. you want the weld in connectors. unless he was saying get the bolt ons and weld them in...

 

Yea they are a great company but they really did stop making their sub frames for 3rd gens this past summer.

Just check out that site. No sub frames to be found for 3rd gens. My buddy found some on ebay after a few phone calls to bmr for varification. They said they don't make them anymore.

 

do you know why?! im gonna have to mail them demanding reproduction.

 

No I have no idea why. I can't remeber the answer they gave. Seem kinda funny though since they make everything else for our cars.

 

Yea thats what I was saying. That is the only safe way to buy used sub frames and if you wanted BMR's ones that is the route he should go.

 

i agree. bolt ins are a waste of time. dang, i cant believe they dont make them anymore. its rediculous that they make everything else BUT subs for 3rd gens. they make TONS of forthgen stuff. if i ever get a 4thgen, thats the 1st place im going

 

I agree. My only thought is that they had to re-design thier jigs to make them. But how hard can that be? I mean they make tubular A arms and k-members and everything else under the sun for our cars. Wierd huh? I hate mixing and matching suspension brands to.

 

i found a set of bmr but they were welded in and ripped out

lol

not gonna even bother, i think spohn will be getting some cash from me

 

AWESOME NEWS! i mailed BMR and they said they are going to start making them in the summer when they release their version of the tubular k member and a arms for 3rdgens! HA! i told you they wouldnt stop making them. now i have to tear out my hotchiks and get the BMR's. my advice is wait till they re-release their subs and get those.

 

Are the BMR's better than Spohns? If so why?

 

well frames are pretty much a like with the welds and such. some weld to different areas of the unibody. i just prefer the bmr products because of the price and the fact my whole car is bmr. they have a nice selection of suspension parts and thats all they do. they were working on an 8 second turbo camaro and used all their own stuff on it. they also offer xtreme parts which are larger then all the other aftermarket products offered. plus, their sales reps are really nice. see for yourself at www.bmrfabrication.com ive never had a problem with anything they have sent me. my brother also uses bmr on his 95 hawk and loves them as well. if your going to get subs, get the boxed. i feel they are more stable then the tubular versions. people have said you lose ground clearence, i havent lost any nor has my brother. maybe you do with other companies boxed versions.....not sure. check them out though, im sure you will like what they have to offer.

 

check out the kenny brown super subs. they are of excellent quality and also really lightweight.(13 lbs per side i think). they are tubular which is way stronger than square tubing and they box in the control arm mounts. best suspension mod you can do if you have t-tops.

 

KB is very nice. i disagree with you on the boxed idea. i think boxed is much stronger then the round subs.

 

personally i like the tubular ones but the box ones should be stronger.

i'll call around and see what i can find out

 

This is a direct quote form BMR: Yes that is my final answer

 

im an overkill nut. soon to have xtreme sway bars on my street machine

 

the way i look at things is do it right the first time, if you need to kill a rat get a shotgun,not a stick.

in other words, i tend to go with overkill

 

I have the bmr's on my car, found a set that was bolted in and had them welded in. They're thick, but the arm that came off and went above the y-pipe was hitting the y-pipe so I had to have them welded to the exhaust to get rid of the rattle. Now it makes some noise at real low rpms but nothing that makes the car any less driveable than my other mods ha.