Im doing a complete rebuild on my 89 rs building a badass street warrior.... is there anything i can replace the entire power steering system with to save wight and reduce drag on the engine from the pump?

 

S-10 manual boxes

$40 and you wont believe the weight you'll be taking off once you pull the old ps set-up

 

But what years are a bolt in? Im looking into this too.

 

Mine came off a 92, and bolted straight in. Would I be right in saying 2nd generation S-10's? not the newer 94 and above style, but the older 8?-93 models.

 

82-93 s10 is the preffered. 94+ did not offer manual steering, but the older s10 boxes still bolt up to the newer body trucks.

have fun.
you could always get a flaming river box, it only weighs 12#

 

ok sorry for being oblivios to the steering systems on our cars but there not a rack + pinion right? so u can jus replace it with the s10 box and hook it up to the linkage

 

Does anybody know what the steering ratio and how many turns lock-lock the S-10 manual boxs are? Probably way higher then the performance boxes. I'd like to save weight swapping one, but i can't lose the performance ratio.

 

the s10 box bolts right in, just reuse the factory camaro pitman arm off your original box
most late model camaros run a 12:1 ratio (1.25 per side;2.5 lock to lock)
the s10 box is 16:1 ratio (3.75 lock to lock)
if you do ANY type of corner carving or autocross/roadrace, the manual box is not for you.
this is for weekend cruising and drg racing. when working the wheel around corners, its rips back way to fast to keep proper control of the car, where as power steering comes back to center position slow and controllled.

the s10 is a great box, and ive even had my iroc rims on the car with 245/50 and have no problems turning the car at all. turning a hard right into a parking spot is the only time it gives a hint of trouble.

good luck!

 

is therw anythign that a else that a s-10 box would fit into if so maybe we could find somethjign with a quicker ratio

 

Thats what i was thinking, i just wanted to know from people that did the swap, thanks.

 

Yeah, I was debating on doing the swap also. What about belt routing for the water pump and alternator? How would that work without the PS pump?

Just using a shorter belt would work right?

 

are you using a factory TPI 2 piece bracket setup? alt and powersteering on the drivers side? i rode mine around on a facotry bracket for a bit with the manual steering. i think it was a 935k6, but my buddy did the same thing on his 92 and had to use a 923k6... guess it depends on the year by an inch or two.
might try a vega box, but i think the ratio on it is slower than the s10 (slower=easier to steer, just more turns on the wheel)
quick ratio is the last thing you want with manual steering. take your powersteering belt off and thats how bad a quick ratio manual box would be.

good luck, ill be glad to help.

 

ease of driving might just have to be a sacrifice id make to have a lighter car and take the drive off the motor my dads chevell is manualy steerign and u can barely tell when driving but in parking sots and moving around slowly it take a little armstrong steering but thats ok with me

 

powersteering is .08 at the drag strip on a average basis ive heard of people picking up more. with the parastatic drag and the weight pulling off, its worth it. engine compartment is so much more clean too. and the best part.... one less fluid to leak.

 

2 years ago with the small motor, the only change I made was installing a electric water pump and switching to manual steering and I picked up .5

We were all surprised by that too

 

that is a large gain. it could have been the weather. an electric waterpump is worth a tenth, so a half a second is a big jump.

lucky you.. where is my luck?

 

Swap was done over the winter and the .5 was a constant through the entire yr....what was I thinking getting rid of that motor Man that thing made me some money

 

Wanting to go faster does that to you!!!

 

so manual means no pump and a bi*** to turn the wheel correct?ive seen a company that sell a manual rack and pinion set up.wats a upgrade to loose some weight and still run the pump for smooth turning

 

It's harder to turn than a ps set-up, but not difficult. For the guys looking to get that extra bit of umph for a little bit of time and hardly any money it's agreat swap.

Again, if ones only concerned with autocross type cars it's a bad move. But for the average person it's a swap worth the effort.