when is the stuff gonna be up on the site , ive been waiting for like 2 months now . they were supposed to be up around the new year and now its now the new year anymore , its feb21 and i wanna know some info on these. like price and have all the pics and stuff.

 

A pic has been posted of them already in a thread, but I too would like to hear a more solid number on the price. I heard $250 for the front kit and $500 for the rear kit, but don't know what options this includes (which coils, which shocks, etc.). Pending release price, I'm going to be buying a set for the front since I need new springs anyways and my shocks kinda suck as it is too.

$250 sounds cheap to me to include everything for the front from Spohn, but if that price is true and includes everything ya need, I'll be first in line

 

thats my problem i need new struts so i have to spend like 400 for that , so maybe the coilovers will be a choice.

 

Same here, waiting patiently................

 

patiently! i cant related to that

 

 

thanks

 

I remember reading about benefits of front coilovers in prev posts. Remind me again of what the benefits are (except weight saving). How would this affect handling?

 

I want to make my car low and still have a nice ride soo i dunno. If this isnt a option i have another in mind .

 

make sure you spec the id on those sleeves. bilsteins need a 3" or larger sleeve in order to adapt a coilover spring. smaller struts like the koni and kyb style use 2.5.

very important just in case you buy your struts before hand.

 

I too am interested in a coil over kit. Where are they???

 

Ya sure about that?

ANd Sometime soon. Burning the plates now for the kit.

Kat

 

pa racing and profab will fit on koni and kyb, not bilstein. need a 3" or larger id for those. never tried it on my qa1 struts as i couldn't if i wanted to. the amount of time you guys are taking with these things you'd think your reinventing the wheel.

 

do you have any pics of the mount for the shock on the rear end?

 

Not even the aount of time taking to reinvent the wheel. It takes a while to have the stuff machined powder coated and what not. It was more or less cool this should be it and wala, another snag. Thats what more or less happened.

AS for the bilstien strut. I'll take your word for it. Cant say that I ever seen one in person.

Kat

 

and it does... nothing worth waiting for happens over night.

 

Can we get a better idea of the price? The estimate of $250 doesn't include the QA1 shocks does it? That sounds quite low to include the QA1s, but if it does, all the better then.

 

Ask Steve for the price. I don't know what it is.

Kat

 

They are $395.

http://www.spohn.net/product.cfm?productid=1502

No struts. The assumption is that Spohn test fitted these against the struts he sells (including the Bilstein).

Edit: That's the front pricing. There doesn't seem to be a rear pricing as of yet.

 

so if he test fitted them then what ID are they?

the site says 2.5". that will not fit over a bilstein hd strut. i am trying to get the point out that those who may have a specific strut must check to make sure it will fit before they buy them. pretty simple and not the end of the world but 2.5" is a standard sleeve and spring size. you can buy sleeves, adjusters and springs from the biggest name race companies for half that price. it's the package and upper plate support that can make the difference.

right now the only thing i see that might be worth the wait is the plate design, art morrison makes a very nice plate support which is only $65 for the pair but it is not a 3 piece. it would be interesting to see what the variables are that might make this design better.

also what is the spring dimensions? how tall? the spring rates on his site depending on how tall of a spring would really be way to harsh on the street. i had a 250lb rate with only slight weight reduction on the front end and i could adjust more upwards then down. incredibly harsh on the street to.

reguardless the price is on par with the other companies so everything else looks fine. just need to add that it will only fit certain struts so that the buyer doesn't get thrown off. as an example of pa racing website claiming that the 2.5" will fit.

it doesn't and couldn't if you tried... spohn is running a business so i would hope he has checked all of that out but if the spring height and sleeve id is similar to the other kits purchasers of the kits with slightly modified vehicles or more so will have a tough time.

 

I agree. I also agree he is running a business. As such, he should have tested fitment with the products he sells (I know I would if I was in the fabrication business). That's why I said "assumption". An e-mail to him would find out for sure, but since I'm not buying the kit within the next month, I don't want to waste his time asking. I'm saving my money for an LS1 swap and will think about coil overs after that.

 

i am trying to save people the year of hassles i had finding the right spring rate and id to use what i wanted, nothing more. just making a point for people to investigate it before they buy. doing this will save you alot of headaches and you cannot rely on the websites alone to do so as they aren't always accurate. not to say spohns isn't but obviously pa isn't.

 

Kandied, The Koni strut body is 2.175". Do you have any idea what the O.D. of the Bilstein strut body is?

I know when we talked awhile back, Spohn was having his own sleeves CNC'ed. We had tried to fine other premade sleeves from various manufacturers but nothing is thick enough that would fit onto the 2.175 strut body. Art morrison, and PA both use Afco sleeves which are very thin and HAVE BROKEN during use- so again, Spohn has made thicker ones to be used with 2 5/8id coils.

Now about his 3part mounting system. Unlike both PA and Morrison, Spohns upper coil mount will mimic the angle of the strut shaft at all times making it a "true Coilover" design eliminating upper hat spring bind from a stationary mounting surface that doesn't follow suspension travel change in geometry.

So Spohns kit will work 100% free of coil bind- also with the added benefit of coil bearings for twist movement when steering.


Now- Why is he taking so long? Because he is test fitting and test driving the setup and improving any and all potential problems that can be faces with trying to use such a kit on various different vehicles with varoius different weights, ride heights, and comfort levels.

 

Are you a "beta" tester? Do you know what's an equivalent rate to an 800# spring for the coilover setup?

 

Beta? No I am not testing anything for Spohn if thats the question.

My calculation puts a 325lb coilover spring colse to an 800lb conventional spring setup on these cars (336 to be exact). I'd like to lower slightly my rate, or get a custom valved strut that has slightly less compression force and slightly more rebound and go to a 350lb rate.

 

so how long for the rear kit?

what about the k member, will we be seeing that in the next couple monthes?

 

what coil spring rate would be equal to sportlines . in the front. ?

 

I doubt I'm the first to notice, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere else yet. Anyways, Spohn is taking pre-orders! check it out http://spohn.net/product.cfm?productid=1502

 

*cough* look up about 10 posts.

 

LOL, whoops!

 

I'll be doing the same thing 91Z... LS1 swap first, then see how much it screws up the ride height, and decide on the proper spring for a coilover setup. Seems like drop spindles would be a good idea with this setup as well, if Belltech does indeed start making them again. I wonder if/when Spohn will get a tubular k-member out to go along with the A-arms and coilovers. I know Hawks has 'em but I think I'd rather go with Spohn if he's gonna do it.

After dropping a couple hundred pounds in motor and tubular parts, I wonder how heavy the springs will need to be on a coilover setup. Probably way down below 300#... I know Kandied had some trouble finding the right spring.

 

Dean;

Your rate calculation for road racing looks good to me, But the people who order kits with Spohns rate for drag racing will be upset when the car weight transfers less then a stock car. My car had Eibachs drag launch front springs for the stock location and I changed to coilovers with a 200lb rate and the 60ft time droped off. Now I have 150lb springs and the car is better (1.5 60ft ), Soon I will try 125lb or 110lb like the super stock guys run and yes I drive way more on the street then at the strip.

Jerry


Spohns rates
Drag Racing:
275#
Street/Strip:
300#
Road Racing:
325# - 350#

 

Jerry,

I have not talked to Steve in some time now. When we talked about rates, I suggested to him that I think I would be looking to go to a higher 325 or even 350 lb rate for my car to be equivilant to what I have now. I never suggested anything other to him and I have no idea what rates he has tested and what results they got. I would agree that the 275 is too high for drag racing.

My calculations puts a coilover at 42% the rate of your current spring.
So for those of you math challanged, just calculate "rate" x .042= coilover. My case it is aprox 800 x 0.42 = 336.

The biggest problem with softer springs is they are generally taller. So the question is your paticular ride height. Too soft a coil on too low of a car will cause coil bind where the coils would entirely ground out on eachother it the suspension travel is too great.

Dean

 

what is the height of these springs with this calculation. the id also makes a difference but if they are only 10" in height like the other companies out there those spring rates will not work.

reguardless, if someone purchasing knows enough to do similar calculations like above they'll be well enough in the ball park to figure out proper height and id but the rates listed are to extreme if spohn is using the same height/id as other companies.

2.5idx1" tall 250lb spring rate and this is just about as low as the car would sit with all the weight off it... either way i'm not arguing spohn or any other company. just don't want to see anyone go through what i went through so if those spring rates are for taller and wider springs then they'll be fine but if not...

this picture the front end gap with had only 2 revolutions left on the pa sleeve sitting on koni reds with a 10x2.5x250lb coilover spring. i had chromoly tubular front end, a/c delete and aluminum heads/intake. nothing else for severe weight issues and it was a skyjacker..

 

That is the major concern of just how low they can sit without grounding out.I have given Steve photos of my car sitting 2.25" lower than stock height and I would have trouble because I am extremely low. Hence why I am waiting to see if Belltech brings out the drop spindles again and just how much extra clearacne I'll have with the Belltech strut mounting pad height. If it will give at least 1" more room I can fit in a 2.5x8"tall 325 lb spring or even a 2.5x7" (SSS part #17280).

Right now if you look in the picture I currently have 7 1/2" of compressed hieght at max lowered threads. The Belltech's should give me 8 1/2 min which an 8" slightly compressed at ride height should set me about 7 1/2 - 7 3/4". I can go 7" tall if that still doesn't work for me. I also may have to alter my strt housing mount positon to give the upper body of the strut mount travel room also. Matter of fact, when I go to this I will have a custom made/custom valved strut built to my specs only because I run so low.

 

As soon as I have the money, I want to buy Spohn's front coil over kit, but I was originally going to run Lakewood 90/10 drag struts with Eibach drag launch springs. I guess I'm wondering what my current spring rate is on those drag launch springs. After reading what is posted above, I'm alittle worried that the springs I get with Spohn's kit won't perform as well as the Eibach's. I still want to run the 90/10's, but want a spring that is as close to equivalent to the Eibachs as I can get.

 

Kandied91z you are right .......i need to scan some pics with the art mo kit installed it looked like a MONSTERTRUCK evenso we used the art mo springs!
The springs were not used on a stock weight car!
1250KG only made it sit real high!


The spring/shock topic will be a big one !
Koni is selling ( for race teams free) shorter shock -shafts.
To get it right it would take a bunch of spring options ........
Our LS1 swap will bust all the research and with all the changes after the swap we´ll sell the stuff we have over here to update the whole suspension to a penske like remote oil tank style shock
the company is around the corner so for the first time no silly custom/import and expensive phone bills to the US!

ps
we cant report and parts failure like statet above !

glad to know that the "coil over from hell" is know something good!in the past (read up old threads) it was not worth anything...oopps!

 

lol.. times change as more people open their eyes.

 

I just measured my Bilstein strut. I believe I have the sports, which shoud have the same front as the Bilstein HD. The diameter measures about 2.5"...between 2.46" or 2.51" (circumference at the thickest part is between 7.75" and 7.875"). I used a string (no caliper) to measure the circumference then divided by Pi to get the diameter. It looks like it "may" fit, but I use the word may cautiously since it is very close.

Definitely measure it before getting them...with a dial caliper, which is about $30-$50 for a general purpose one.

 

Does anyone know or have a early picture of spohns stb I was going to go ahead and get one but ide like to see spohns before i made my decision.

 

yeah they look like they will fit, definately close for sure.

 

are the coil over kits better than a Koni yellow setup say for road racing......

 

TopleZZ candy.......oooppseven with a coil over kit you need a shock!
and yes the yellow konis are top of the hill with the avg consumer
...more needs ? more money? call ground control and holla for a set of penske with remote "oil bottle" like run in the bigger classes!double adjustable...big time on ya pocket!