Same thing that happens when you run a 32 psi tire at 24, or at 32. 32 is much more bone jarring. It takes more pressure to raise the car to the proper ride height. You can not run safely at a lower pressure and lower height becuase the bags will fail much sooner- 1year as opposed to three at normal pressure.

Just like proper pressure maintains the integrity of the tire sidewall, running a tire lower will dramatically change the way that tire feels from it being new with 24psi as opposed to it being a year old with 24psi. That flexing rubber sidewalls of the bags do the same and break down the older they get.

Its like a ballon that you can't blow up at first, but once you've put air into it and expand it a few times, it strecthes and becomes easier and easier to expand each time you let the air back out of it.

 

this is complete b.s i don't want to argue in this thread as it should stay on topic but to be honest to say you won't even retain stock ride quality with airbags on a thirdgen now that's very very funny and really makes your points look very bad. there are alot of vehicles that the big threee produce with full air ride suspensions... why don't they do it on factory production? same as above, it isn't cost effective nor is it reasonable or even wanted by half the population that buys vehicles. your pulling these ideas out of thin air and giving people the wrong perception and that's not right.


and as far as mine don't you worry, i changed it to factory spec when i sold it and kept the bag setup for the new 91z. i sold it for a bunch of reasons but the main one was the cost ratio to fix up a new car versus tearing mine down to repaint a good paint job and interior, it wasn't worth it for the plans i've done to the new 91.

back to topic though you can't seriously compare a load leveling system from lincoln to say the same setup on a range rover or even a full out air suspension from companies like air lift and chassis tech. they are night and day differences as well as completely different uses.

 

you should get drug into anything when you want to claim your stating a fact that is fictional at best. not to mention to my knowledge you don't own a thirdgen with air ride to even compare. i have had conventional eibach springs with different strut combinations, full race coilover suspensions and the like so i can truly say from experience that air ride does and will do what these people are asking. my coilovers were great for the track but couldn't compare to the ride i had with my eibach setup which was nice, my air ride equipment is unbelievable and worth every penny over the other two options. now i have never had a weight jack setup, nor anything remotely close to what dean has tried to do with his v6 car. i appreciate the ideals you guys bring to the table and have no problem hearing different stories from those that have experienced it but if you want to state something as fact put it on your car or have experience with it on your car and then comment on it. you can not compare apples to oranges like the two of you are trying to do and you certainly can't state certain comments as fact when you haven't personally experienced such.

 

Your right, the factory engineered systems are much better than any aftermarket add-on to a suspesion engineered from the factory for a different geometry and spring setup. The geometry position of the bags is crucial to there effectiveness, the length of the control arms, the a-arm chassis mount points, etc... I could go on and on.

Hence why the same these car will ride much better with 15 & 16 " rims with an overall 25.7" tire. A car like a newer Mercedes that runs 19's has the suspension geometry lengths engineered specifically to coordinate the frequency of the suspension design. You can';t make an 18" rim ride decent on our cars, they weren't designed for it. Neither were they designed for airbags.

 

this is not true with air rides setup... the car doesn't do any of the things you are talking about here.

 

this is true to a point. the first paragraph is right, you have to fine tune your setup. having adjustable struts and shocks also helps the setup as well as the right bag placement and of course the other suspension goodies our cars should have upgraded anyhow. as for the rest though you can have your cake and eat as much of it as you want. the setup works and it works damn good... it handles just as good as my other setups and is adjustable to ride smoother then them as well. it's all a fine tunning piece like anything else but you do not have to sacrifice ride, control and overall use just to have air ride. they are not just for show cars. i personally wouldn't put them on a daily driver but it has nothing to do with the ride and use.... it has everything to do with the expense.

 

explain to me, how something with effectivly less spring rate (good ride) is going to outperform something with a higher spring rate. Explain how you are going to get the high spring rate, with the car in a lower stance (less pressure in the bags), and how you are also going to get a good ride with the car at a high ride height (more pressure in the bags).

Have any times around a road course to prove your car actualy handled better with the bags? What was the ride height, and pressure when it handled better, what was the ride height and pressure when it rides better? You have as much hard data as I do. The diffrence is, mine are based in the physics of this all. As far as I know, no company has made a car part that beats physics.

 

i have no idea what happen, the thing froze up for 30 min and i couldn't post.

your absolutely right talking about physics..

i do have time with all three setups as well as seat time with other vehicles but getting into the rest on paper it is a proven fact that hard metal standard setups is where it is at on the auto-x track for the absolute all out piece. however with that said do you have any seat time in a car with bags at all, let alone a thirdgen? how many suspension setups have you had on your car to physically compare and how much do you really care about how the car rides on the street versus building for a road race? i've driven trucks, custom rods, mustangs, camaros of all years and many other vehicles with air ride. i've riden in some bad 2 way setups where people went cheap and then i've driven a few really nice setups that were all out. not every air ride setup is guaranteed to work perfect but air rides kit works very well.

as to the rest, no one here has said "i'm building an auto-x car with air ride and i'm going to out perform you" they have said that air ride can and usually does out perform stock suspension setups on the street and at the track. however if you take two thirdgens and do one built up like mine and one built up like deans chances are deans will make it through the paces faster.... doesn't mean you can't do it with the air ride though and when your leaving the track the guy with air ride will have a better ride home.

that's the point... you want to build a car to out handle all others do something other then air ride and put the money in your pocket. you want a great riding street car that can be taken to a track and not look silly. then have at it, the options are there if your willing to pay.

 

see i guess that's where we differ in some though. in the end it's all preference i suppose. for example i don't like how my 17's ride on my grand prix. i had to switch back to 16's because it was so harsh. the 18's on my 91 were very nice though, they were definately stiffer then the 16's but nothing to complain about and when i added the air ride it just got nicer. i hope to put a set of 16's on in the summer just to see the real difference. either way there is no doubt about it, anyone who truly is interested in air ride probably isn't planning on building an auto-x competitor. everyone has different goals for their cars, it's nice that air ride in general has gotten to a more user friendly and ride friendly point. i know i love my setup and wouldn't change it one bit.

 

ooh some good reading while i was gone watching the snowcross at the local track .

I just want to know this , will my trans am ride better with the eibach coils i have now with my lowered stance or will it ride better with air ride at the same height . I dont car about auto x ing or even getting close to a road course with this car .

Ialso dont want to have any problems at the drag strip with the car either, will i . I dont run every weeked, its probably like 4 passes a year or seomthing like that .

I just want a better ride than i have now , are air bags gonna give me what i want ?

 

those questions have been answered by others here with air ride on their cars and i've answered them as well. listen to dean and john, unless you want to hop your car and have it drive like a cady leave air ride to the rest of us who are stuck with it i guess. i don't mind being one of the few.

 

I for one am going to order the kit myself and see how it is. My car currently has Eibachs, KYB, BMR, SSBC, and all poly bushings and it rides like ****. All of this new and don't get me wrong...this thing can handle. Every time I see one of these kits on a car at a show or whathaveyou...I ask about it and always get the same response. People love the ride. My goal is to continue having the same handling capabilites I do now with the ride quality I had when I first got the car. From what people have said and from what I gather from Kandied (correct me if I'm wrong) this is what I will get. One question for the guys with the kit though....is there any maintenance for the bags, tank, etc.?

 

Ok, this statement is the problem… Explain to the rest of us how you do not loose “performance” and what “nice features” are gained.

The basic issues that the handling freaks have with an air bag suspension is simple, forget RTFC’s bouncing and bobbling, but Dewy hit the nail on the head. As you inflate the bags their rate rises AND ride height rises.

In general, as you drop ride height you need spring rate to go up to limit suspension travel and prevent hitting bump stops, bottoming…

A stiffer spring rate will generally improve handling (it’s nowhere near that simple, but if you tried to simplify that would be the case), and in the same way lowering ride height improves handling (again, not that simple but…).

Since airbags act in the opposite direction that you need them to THE BEST that you can do is to pick the ride height that you want to have optimum handling at and then find the compressed height of the air bag when it is at the appropriate pressure to have the spring rate that you need at that ride height and fabricate the bolt on spacers to make the total height of the bag/spacer assembly correct at that inflation pressure.

Now assuming that you get that all perfect, and fabricate everything to weigh the same as what it would weigh to just do it with a normal set of springs, you have a suspension that can have the same performance as the plain spring suspension at just that ride height.

At any other height/inflation pressure the spring rates will change and handling will suffer, even if you drop ride height. And worse, unless you use a MUCH smaller (like roughly 1/6th the rate) air bag in the rear, the ratio of front to rear rates will change as you change height/inflation pressure and not only will the rate change unfavorably when you change height, but you will get a severe under/oversteer condition at different ride heights.

Add in the fact that your shock/strut dampening rate will only be right for one inflation pressure…

The only features that you gain that I can think of, assuming everything else is optimized is that you can change the height of your car, not that it does anything right at those different heights, making the height change thing only useful at either low speeds or when you’re sitting still

The factory setups know this and optimize the handing at their low height and just figure that you’ll only need the extra clearance at low speeds (at least this is what Lincoln does).

 

Good discussion guys

 

awesome...good to see they have a front setup now....I was making arrangements to do a setup like 406....something or other (that black vert that was slammed to no tomorrow!) Looks like I found a better alternative.....with bumpstops removed, how low am I looking to set the car? I remember reading that you removed the back ones jeff, but was unsure if you relocated them or not

 

maintenance in what way specifically. occasionally you'll need to tighten up the air lines until they seat properly in the valves as the billet expands but once you get that squared away everything is pretty good. your environment may determine that as if you have high moisture in the air you'll need a filter for the tank and lines which should be drained so you aren't pushing water but that's an extreme. once the setup is installed assuming it's done properly there isn't much to it. it seems much more complicated then it is. the only down fall to the whole setup is if you have to work on the system requiring you to disconnect any lines. you'll want a lift as trying to do it on jackstands is very hard to do.

 

I should ask this as long as Im at it.....the rear kit says it comes with shock absorbers, but the front says it will use your aftermarket/stock struts.....any confirmation on this? I ask because I need new shocks/struts, and dont want to be paying for rear shocks if I dont need to (jeff I know you cant answer this, just looking for someone else to reply)

 

You mean advertising $ ($$$?) influence the results of reviews you see in magazines??? It can’t be… my world is falling apart…

Did anyone notice how the same basic “review” of the airride stuff turned up in a whole pile of magazines within a month or 2? Funny how there is a matching ad within a few pages of the review, huh?

Man, RTFC… you just leave yourself open to attack… I’m on your side here and I can’t leave some of your statements alone. This analogy is completely incorrect. As you inflate a balloon pressure rises slightly and the material stretches to accommodate for the increased air volume. As you inflate an air bag, the bag changes shape to some extent to accommodate the extra air volume, but past that both air bags and tires are designed not to stretch at all, but they do flex to allow the assembly to compress and act as a spring, and when that happens the pressure inside changes, increasing the spring pressure somewhat like a spring does when it compresses and stores energy.

The reason that you have unfavorable changes when you change the inflation pressure of a tire is 2 fold, neither of which affect air bags. First, changing the air pressure in a tire changes the contact patch and it’s structural rigidity/ability to keep the contact patch flat to the road. Neither of these are an issue with the air bag, it doesn’t have a contact patch and it’s structural rigidity is irrelevant, the suspension takes care of this. Secondly, tires act as undampened springs on a car. Changing the air pressure on a tire changes the undamened spring rate. With an air bag, they are dampened springs, but the spring rate changes, so changing their inflation pressure could change it to a more or less favorable rate for the dampening on the vehicle.

 

Well, if you want to be technically correct, there will be an optimum spring rate for an application. Too stiff will be as bad as not stiff enough. Too stiff will not allow the tires to follow road imperfections, cause skittering across bumps/transitions… and too stiff at one end or the other will cause over or understeer.

The rule of thumb is that the right spring rate is enough spring to support the car and keep it within the range that the suspension works at through the road transitions that it will see.

After that you pretty much end up stiffening one end or the other to balance handling (taking into account roll centers, CG… and to some extent this can be done with sway bars…), deal with braking/acceleration…

AirRide has proven that it could alter physics in the minds of thousands of readers by just spending enough $$$

 

they charge you for it, you can ask for it to be deleted from the kit. talk to darren.

 

lol... there is no need for argument here. i was skeptical once too. what can you do, for 5 years i had people telling me that i should just upgrade my springs, maybe use coilovers, go here, go there.... it wasn't what i wanted. air ride was. in the end i spent more time and wasted money for something that had i just looked into it on my own i would have been better off years ago. it's only a matter of time, more then half the custom cars you see today have air ride on them and even some very popular drag cars. now i have not ever found an competing auto-x car with air ride and probably won't as the expense is useless but to say it can't happen??

i'm definately not a deciding factor on anything, i built my car the way i wanted to with suspension including. i think everyone should have their own opinion and as long as they are based on first hand experience it should be taken into account but in the end it's all opinion. i absolutely love air ride and i can't say enough good things about it on my car. those of you interested i wish you luck, do alot of research and talk to as many as you can with air ride to figure out what is right for you. took me along time but it paid off and i'm extremely happy. oddly enough when i had coilovers people couldn't stand how stiff the ride was, when i first had air ride done people asked why the ride was better, no one even knew it until i would raise or lower the car with them in it. the setup works...

 

I know how stiff lowering springs are there is no way that the air ride will ride as rough. This is stupid to argue with someone that wont change their mind you cant argue opinion. I also think rtfc will never be for air ride cause he helps with ideas of developing coil overs so he is not gonna be for anything else. Anyway the bags wont be way up im not using these to jack my car up its not going to be like riding on jacked up air shocks.

 

You tell me my quote is wrong- then you yourself say in your statement above-

"the bag changes shape to some extent to accommodate the extra air volume"

The tires will balloon more with age. The bags will balloon more with age.

You are saying the same exact thing I did, thus your own analogy is flawed also. Tires will strecth to a maximum cord length and then go no further over a period of use. Each tire is different so the rate varies on drivng style, road conditions, and vehicle weight as to just how long that will vary. However, unlike a balloon that does it immeditely the first time you inflate it. The tire does this much much much much less than the analogy of the balloon but the balloon analogy was given to explain the principle in layman terms- Its the same thing dramatized because- of course- anyone including you should be intellegent enough to realize the plyible difference between tire rubber with belt cords and a balloon material is not equal in extreme, but is shown for understanding in a blown up scale.

Tires do stretch. Airbags do stretch. The rubber ages and cracks and the shape integrity breaks down even further.

I can't believe you said tires do not stretch- why debate any further. I have never seen any rubber material known to man that does not stretch- go figure. again your the expert crossfire even the steel cables on the SanFransico Bridge stretched to a maximum point over years of tension. Someday they will even comdemn that bridge when it steches and breaks down intergrity so much that it becomes unsafe.

I've shared every fact I can towards airbags purchase. Facts are there- base your purchase decissions accordingly to what you gain from this debate. I in fact buy and use them, just not "fulltime" and not for comfort. I buy them for load assist only and I replace them every three years when they start to become to unsafe- thats the lifespan for my particular useage on my vehicle with my wear and tear.

Tires are designed to PREVENT stretch as much as possible to extend lifespan, but they still do stretch.

EDIT:I reread what was said between Crossfire and myself. I think the miscomunication is that when we talk about tire "stretch", they stretch to a point when first inflated then stay that way. However, when you drive on them they will "expand" and then come back into shape. That expanding will get worse and worse over time and the stabiltiy or intergrity breaks down. They always go back to original specs obviously or else the damn tire would grow larger than the rim and come off of it- so again, obviously the stretch and the go back into shape. Its the stretching further and futher as they age is what breaks down handling abitly because they become more spongy. In due time the strech so much that they do start to crack from age- even though they return to size.

 

Very true, I was trying to simplify. Although with the front/rear suspension diffrences, on a thirdgen, that rate is usualy pretty high. Usualy high enough that it won't ride "great"

This turned into quite a discussion, I mearly came in here for this...

I'm not going to argue the features, and that yes, for some people this is the right choice. But don't try to convince someone that their car will ride like a luxury car, and peforme like a sports car at the same time.

 

for some reason, I bet many more members on this site will now have the air bag set-up Sounds like a pretty nice set-up, btw Jeff, I picked up the issue of gm high-tech that your old 91 was in...looks great

 

Subscribe to this Thread good discusion.

Daren said it wouldnt be long when I talked to him at the PRi show...

 

i was talkin to a guy over at clugp.com about his gtp on bags and he says the ride is bouncier than stock but its still a good ride . So . i just wish i could ride in someone thirdgen before i spend 2 grand on this.Someone around new york do this and give me a ride in your car.

 

say the ride is better which it may be, no one seems to know. Anyways you're crusing around your town in your new air bag ride. Everything is great until your system turns on. How annoyning is it going to be to have a commpressor going on inside your car. Ive heard these systems theyre annoying. And i seriously doubt you want to mount the compressor on your decklid or roof. There is always a draw back somewhere. Save your 2000 dollars use it to rebuild your suspension stock and just get some shocks more suitable for grandma driving and spend the rest of the money on something else for your car.

 

I'm telling you guys, I drive a car with airbags on it everyday of my life for the past 14 years I have had them on it. I put them on the truck two years after I bought it and have had 3 different systems on this particular vehicle. I speak from experience, And this guy you quote above is saying the same thing about the bounciness that I am.

Its pointless to me to tell you anything other than the truth. I have no agenda on sales. I come in here for a hobby to help others with my experience in suspension and try and put that into laymans terms so it is understandable. Some here(Like 83 Crossfire TA) have an agenda to always try and make me look wrong like I am trying to sell you something. Its tough to try and explain something through typing hence why I try and give simple analogies.

Dean

 

here ya go

 

convinced me...leave it to the professional drivers to give the true handling of air ride suspensions...now only to find 2 g's layin around.... wish it was only that easy

 

I have been contemplating an air-ride set-up ever since I seen Jeff's lastyear. Pretty cool, I must say. Couple things that are holding me back beside the cost is all the added weight and a noisy compressor. How much weight would you say the tank, compressor, valves and plumbing weight?

As for the debate on which is better....it's all personal opinion and what the intended use of the car is. I look at it this way, 99% of my driving is on the street to and from work, shows and the like. The other 1% is shared between the strip and an occasional SOLO event. Why would I want to live with a bone-jarring ride just to have an optimal ride 1% of the time. That's just my thoughts, I can see both sides of the debate though.

 

How often does the compressor run and about how much weight is it with everything but the bags.

 

AirRides mechanics set the cars up before and after lunch-= don't buy into the hype. Those two NASCAR drivers are driving completely stock Camaros for free, then giving feedback on air ride non biasly?-think again.

1) they were paid to show up for the magazine shoot.
2) simply loosen the front swaybar bushings and the "stock" Camaro will roll like a pig in mud, and create a loose rearend- Just conveniently like the article states. No one knew because AirRides mechanics did all the work on the car.
3) no track times posting true results
4) roll improved with the Airstrut having more rebound force than the crappy front shocks they had for the first conventional spring drive. (plus the front swaybar links where snugged back to original use)
5) That racetrack has not road imperfections- Its very nicely paved. Its the bumps and dips and groves and potholes encountered in daily driving on streets that cause the airbags to bobble around corners. They picked a very nicce smooth track that relied more on shock rebound and swaybars for handling(and they fudged those).

6)I can see it on the GM Camro SS sales brochure-"While dissecting his laps in the stock-suspended Camaro, Grissom told us the car kept "rolling over" and "bottoming out" in sharper turns, and that the back end would step out, forcing him to make corrections. On one long sweeper, he told us, the car had "laid over" so much (body roll) that the flat turn felt like it was off-camber. When the Camaro "laid over," as Grissom called it, he needed the entire track to get the car through the corner, and really had the wrestle with the thing to get it where he wanted it."
In other words "Don't buy a '96 SS Camaro new, they handle like crap." '96 SS owners should be oh so happy at that.

Don't be guilible to what you are reading just because they had a few famous named drivng the cars- look behind the scenes at what really happens. It's not going to work like that in the real world.

 

thank you.

 

lol... exactly, do what this guy said.

 

you can't trust them, they were paid off. right...?

 

this is true..... unfortunately the only way to learn is through experience and trial/error. i've ridden in cheaper setups that will bounce you all over the road. anything is possible if it isn't set up right. i've never ridden in a properly setup vehicle with air and had that feeling but again anything is possible. one things for sure unless your using air cylinders or hydraulics you have to try pretty hard to have a bad ride with air from any of my experiences. hydraulics on the other hand i've never seen one with a good ride and air cylinders... well i'm amazed anyone buys them.

 

depends on the size of tank. 5 gallon with a 450 which is a decent one takes 3 min to completely fill. if you insulate and install properly the noise is not to bad. roughly 3 full inflates and you'll need to run the compressor again.

as far as weight. they have all the specs on the website. 1 amp and a sub is more weight.

 

You had yours setup different then the kit they are offering though didnt you kandied.

 

truthfully there is no debate here, dean and the rest are taking the stance that many such as myself and others like the media are trying to say air ride is the all out optimal suspension. this isn't true, the point is you don't have to loose performance that many "stock" vehicles already have and through proper tunning and setup they can be better then "some" options for everything. however just with motors or anything else there is always something that is optimal for 1 particular situation just like your stating. air ride is great for people like you and myself who want to be able to do certain things once in awhile and not feel left out... it is not like hydraulics. however again it all depends on how you set it up.

as far as your first questions... do some research on compressors as they have noise volume ratings and usually some solid rubber mounts will make them very quiet. unless your at a show or showing off the things rarely go off assuming your running 5 gallon tank or more you'll find it's not a problem. when it comes to the rest just as i stated most info can be found on their website or email them and they will send you weight ratings. personally though you'll add more weight with many other things, valves are not heavy and the rubber air line is extremely light. the compressor and tank are the heaviest items and they aren't that bad either. weight of the system really isn't an issue.

 

yes i do, my system is this:

1 pair of qa1 12 way adjustable air struts with variable bag adjustment.
1 pair of rear bags (4thgen rear coolride kit)
bilstein hd shocks for rear
3/8" plastic air line, was going to go braided but i don't run enough pressure.
big red 1/2" valves.. more like 3/8" inner id. plenty fast enough though. (truthfully i'd use the standard ride pro valves that are only 1/4", save money and although a second or two slower the ease of adjustment is worth it. it's very hard to dial specific psi with the big red valves on my system.
5 gallon tank
viair 450 compressor with 150 psi switch
ride pro-e digital control with remote option

pretty basic and straight forward, nothing tricky here however i can say that a large part of my performance gain over conventional setups are the strut bags, however they are costly...very costly but they work. i will be replacing them with the new kit for a comparison here shortly so it will be interesting to compare the standard bags of their new kit against my strut bags but beyond that everything else is common equipment.

 

http://www.ridetech.com/projectview....696&SUBSYS=CC#
Found this about your car I wonder why they didnt make you cool ride bags for the front also. Ill just get some bilsteins struts im sure it will stop anything from bouncing. Oh and the price they gave me was 2g's to my door for everything and the 4way adjustment.

 

this is too funny to even discuss, dig a little deeper why don't you? some of your points you make describing the physics and hard mechanics of racing suspensions in comparison is interesting and valid but picking apart an article none the less looking for things that could or could not be true is just funny and makes it seem as if your trying to hard to look for a fault. reguarless, having worked for several magazines and participating in them it's true that many magazines often persuade certain situations to favor things one way or another. you should not believe everything you read but it doesn't mean that everything is massaged because of money. again none of us were there so who really knows, if you are so skeptic why don't you email them or go over to their forum at www.ridetech.com and discuss it with them, i'd love to see what they say to you about it. you'll get alot further that way and then they can't hide..

 

im just gonna go sit and play some more gran turismo 4 and wait for my spohn coilovers i would def buy some air bags for a show car if i can ever afford it, glad to see a kit on the market

 

i have a coilover conversion front end. i drove two identical 99 convertible saleens with standard and strut bags and i preferred the strut bags. at the time no kit was available for the rear and they had no idea the 4thgen would fit, only thoughts that it would. i took the car down there and they agreed that a strut bag could and would work so they built it. originally had plans to produce it but after trouble with qa1 and the fact that 1 out of 100 thirdgens have a coilover conversion they decided to scrap the full production of the strut bag. also, the only qa1 strut that would work with the proper specs was slightly shorter then normal. this didn't allow the full extension they were looking for and can be seen on the rise pics in that page you posted. i personally didn't care as i never go that high with it so any higher was a waste but they didn't like it.

i had brought down stock a arms but they didn't work with the coilover conversion k-member so they weren't able to truly build a "stock" thirdgen kit that was marketable. supposedly they have had a few down there since then and now they have a front end kit to make it all complete.

as far as the price. 2k sounds about right, give or take your options. definately recommend picking up the ride pro controller though as it's very nice and easy to install.

detroit autorama was this weekend and there was a thirdgen there on air with the kit all of you are interested in. aparently it rides very nice, i didn't get to speak with the owner but the g/f said that she loved it and so did he.... who knows though as it's all personal opinion.

 

funny thing is i thought the same thing... i was so excited to have coilovers. they sure performed but the ride and ease of adjustment was a joke. if your building a race car they are great. if it's a street/weekend warrior they are marginal at best for the effort i'd stick with a properly setup stock style suspension.

 

Interesting custom dash and console that guy has did you get anymore pictures. I also emailed Jason back from air ride asking about the controller.

 

what do you need to know about the controller? i'll have a few more pictures with better detail in a few days. check the audio and interior sections for a few more. car has a few things custom that are interesting... 6 months ago i took my car to a well know interior shop for similar work. brought in my magazines to explain the old one and the things i had. told them i wanted it in time for autorama.. well i delayed things and decided not to rush. they had told me they were working on another thirdgen at the time, went to autorama and this car was there. identical ideas in the most part but i'm glad i didn't let them touch my interior.

 

Oh i just asked him if that price included the controller.