Siegel1719

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Thats right. Its done. Darren anounced it today. Heres the link.
http://www.ridetech.com/news/default.asp?mode=teaser

Oh and only $350 for the front.

Just waiting on pics.


Jeremy

18inchboyds

i saw that too , i got my email , this thing has got me itching , i want it . i wanna see the kit and i wanna see what it comes with for 1700 .

Siegel1719

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For $1700 you get front and rear bags with brackets, 2 or 3 gallon tank, small compressor, 1/4 lines, and valves, and everything but shocks. Should give you like a 2-3 second rise fall time.

Siegel1719

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oh and the Ridepro e so you can set your ride height.

Kandied91z

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not with standard valves.

good to see they finally finished the stock front end. not a bad price considering their quality.

18inchboyds

yeah i checked it all out yesterday night , 3-5 second rise times, kanided how much air is needed to raise a 3rd gen , 3 gallons 5 , how many ?

Kandied91z

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1 time, 3 gallon.

88CAMARO--3

can u use stock... shocks with the kit? im either going to get the air ride or coil overs but was wondering how hard it is to line up the brackets on the rearend to convert to coil overs? sounds like a pretty sweet deal for only 1700. ill have to look into that.

Spdfrk1990

I want it i want it 1700 isnt bad cant wait till the body is rdy. I want the 4 way adjustability also. I wonder if it would work with spohn a-arms. 1 more thing how low you guys think is safe for driving with out scraping cause i can always drop it at the shows.

18inchboyds

it will probably work with the spohn a arm but you will have to do more work , i got an email from darren and what you do it mount a flat plate over the coil spring cup , it blots on and has a little hole in it for the air bag.

18inchboyds

here are the pics

18inchboyds

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Spdfrk1990

Hmm i doubt that would work with a spohn a-arm. WOw is that car rusty.

18inchboyds

they shoulda tested it on my car i have no rust on my car. It woulda made it easier for them to work on .

Spdfrk1990

This is a giant step for thirdgens though this is awsome i'll be so excited when i get it.

RTFC

I just don't get why anyone would buy a performance car and mess up the performance by installing an airride kit for looks. You do not see race cars with air ride. These are sports cars, buy a cruiser and do it to it.

18inchboyds

yeah it is awesome , hopefully with this system now an awesome thirgen that mags would overlooks they would look at twice . Now you can get brakes engines suspensions and body kits just like other cars . Now thirdgens have about everything you could want for them . hey speed lemme see a pic of your car .

18inchboyds

well blackburn said the car is greta with the bags and hanldes awesome so , i mean his setup in the front was a little different. But gives it an awesome look and now i can have a great ride too .

Spdfrk1990

Im sure it will have a much better ride then lowering spring and it will also make changing struts a breeze no more spring under pressure. Send me a message on aim and ill get u some pictures of my car.

Kandied91z

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you should have contacted them and said you were willing to pay for it, i'm sure they would have done it years ago... the only reason they didn't until i took my car there and showed them the demand. at least those of you with stock front ends have an option now and a very affordable one at that.

Kandied91z

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you don't loose performance at all, you gain some very nice features...

18inchboyds

jeff b did you have ride pro e on yours too and if so how did you like it and how does it all work . I see it has the numbers, what do they represent , air pressure , lbs , height .

NastyL98_T/A

350 for the fronts? Just the bags right? I'm assuming that's with no compressor, tank, lines or anything.

Kandied91z

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JungleMan

I also see absolutely no point of having airbags on a thirdgen, but if it floats your boat go for it...

I'd rather have all-out handling and a harsher ride, if I wanted a luxury car, I'd have bought a Caddy.

FirehawkSS

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I dont get it? What are the advantages to an air bag system. The only thing ive seen them for is to lower your car to the ground when its parked at a car show. Then when you want to drive away you can raise it again. What other benefits are there? Im not being sarcastic I'm just curious what advantage it has on a 3rd gen.

18inchboyds

an awesome lowered ride . Lower your car with sportlines like i have now and then ill get my air bags and we'll see who has a better ride , and you can still drive the car hard , art tests out all their products and does an awesome job with their stuff . Just do some research on them www.ridetech.com

NastyL98_T/A

I'm not sure you understand. Airbags don't hurt the performance of the car. The car will handle much better. Youc an raise the car to get over speed bumps and into driveways. PHR did an article recently about air ride. They had an open track day and they had a stock 4th Gen there. They made a few laps with the car and then put the airbags on it that day and made a few more laps and the performance was a TON better than stock.

RTFC

I am soory to burst your bubble, but I have lots of experience with air bags on a truck of mine I have owned for 16 years. The rear bag setup is a load assist setup, not full time. It is set up with independant feed lines so the air will not transfer from one bag to the other going around corners.

This truck corners very well "for a truck" I use to beat stock Mustangs back in the early 90's when I would screw around and take it out on the AutoX course during funruns when I was racing my Vette. So its no slouch.
Now when I pump up the airbag setup a little or alot in the rear, It blantantly f*&^% up the way this truck rides and handle. It will produce a bobble bounce and feels like the truck is now riding on bumpstops- this gets worse the more air that is pumped into them. The handling and ride quality sucks when air is in them. I am not suppose to, but I completely drain them when not needing them for load assist. They are "AirRide" componants.

Again, please explain to me why roadrace cars never ever have run airbags if they make a car ride and handle so much better than coils?

RTFC

Sure they ran faster. AirRide also paid PHR big bucks so the results would "show" in their favor. Its called marketing hype. I know real world resting from personal experience with three different systems over the years on my work trucks.

I'm trying to save you guys alot of wasted money on BS you will not be happy with if you want your car to still handle decent.

Airbags are stickly for a showcar to lower when cruising slow or parked low- thats it. All-show-no-go cars so they can then raise them to drive home, get over speedbumps, or even get them back on the trailers. People use them JUST LIKE HYDRAULICS which suck in handling also.

Kandied91z

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lol...

Dewey316

I'm sure Dean would be willing to host the $500 combine challange. I'd make the trek down to CA to participate. Us low-tech coil spring boys vs. you boys who think Air-Bags will out perform us.

RTFC

You're going to get "us" in trouble this time John. I am not suppose to solicite wagers on this forum. I have been banned befre for such attempted ventures
ps- I took my car out last night after having the allignment reset on Thursday morning. My camber and toe was off a good margin and had the car out of balance. I heated the brakes really good running them through two different twisty hilly backroads with very slow very tight corners with hard downhill braking going into them. This car slows unbelievaby and I can do no wrong in it. If I did twhat I was doing in my Vette it would lock and skid right into the guardrails on those tight dipping downhill corners under hard braking. And it never grounded out either.

Dewey316

I'm not soliciting, I just made mention to the idea.... of course none of us support wagering anything....

Spdfrk1990

You guys that are against air bags are killing me I dont think we want to buy them and go run the freakin laguna seca with some trans am cars. I am building a show car and I like the lowered stance as compared to stock which looks like a 4x4. I also hate the harsh ride of the lowering springs and anything performing better then stock or even stock would be fine with me. I mainly want them for looks and I can get that perfect stance I always wanted and not leave the paint off my crossmember or headers at the end of the driveway. I just cant see the downside to them for a show car so what are you haters trying to say that your 1 million lb springs handle better well good for you. Now try to go over some of the same bumps i do after I get the system and also drive down a few roads by me and tell me how the ride was. Oh also how does a truck with load asist bags have anything to do with this it is totally different setup. If you was to goto air ride they get rid of the stock springs all together with the leaf spring cars they remove them totally and use control arms that hold the bags and performance improves dramatically.

Siegel1719

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Lets keep this post on topic. If you dont like air ride make your own tread and bash them there.

Thanks
jeremy

RTFC

I have ridden in more cars here equipped with full time airride setups than you guys have seen.

I'll tell you something else you don't know about me. I am the head judge of the "largest NHRA sponsored car show in the nation". I have been for 8 years now.

I know what the heck I am talking about.

I not hating, I am informing from experience.

Edit: My kid brother's best friend growing up was also hired on to ChassisTech as their lead designer for the last year or so. He redently resigned from them due to marketing BS and limited agendas.

Spdfrk1990

Ok so what are the down sides of air ride again for a show car. Please dont say a bag might pop I dont think they made them paper thin and i might drive the car 10 times a yr.

Dewey316

What do you think is going to happen when you pump up those air bags to get the car to a driveable height.

RTFC

Ding,Ding,Ding.......Exactly. We have a winner.

Spdfrk, I said above it is strictly for a show car, Please read again what I wrote.

Spdfrk1990

I think Kandied said he had a smooth ride and i dont think im going to pump them up to where the bag is fully extended. I also think u were trying to twist my words here is the full sentance.
(I also hate the harsh ride of the lowering springs and anything performing better then stock or even stock would be fine with me)
the word "and" should of been the sign

Spdfrk1990

I will also say Dean im not saying your that your not knowledgable I think you seem to know alot about suspensions and ive read alot of your post and agreed with your point. The thing is I think we are both interested in 2 totally different setups.

RTFC

Try this at home.
Take any ol' kind of spring you can find (small household spring, anything) Set that spring on the ground and press on it hard, it compresses and recoils.

Now take a balloon,
set it on the ground and press on it hard, you an feel it bobble under your palm as the sides expand trying to disapate energy. Unlike a tire full of air that rotates, a car will bounce funny when you press on the fender of a very stiff suspension without the tire rolling. The rolling of the tire diapates energy different than a tire that is stagnant. Those airags are like a stagnat tire, they bobble. The bags are much worst because they have a much lower volume of air inside a tighter confined space than a tire does., and the rubber walls are much more rigid than that little ballon test hence why the Airbags pumped up with an adequate amount of pressure for a decent ride height will feel like they are bouncing off a bumpstop.

Remeber the old Hoppityhops that kids bought from Toys'R'Us? Ever sit your *** on one of those and bounce around? same damn bobble feel you get with airbags. Cushy and fun for awhile, but they get annoying fast and your brain starts to mush. Your car will ride like that over severe bumps and donk you to the left or right of the road 5 feet.

Edit: my typing skills

Dewey316

I think we both understand what you are getting at. The point is, the higher your ride height with the bags, the higher the rate. heigher rate = harsher ride. (there are other factors, yes i am simplifing it.)

It does come down to what you want. Unfortinatly in suspension, you can't have your cake, and eat it to. You don't get the versitility of the airbags, and get performance, and get a good ride. That is just not the way it works. If you want a stockish ride, leave the car stock. If you want to lay frame at a show, get bags, if you want performance, get higher rate coils. You don't get all three.

Spdfrk1990

Im going to be driving pretty low only when i come to speed bumps or the end of my driveway, railroad tracks things like that will i jack it up. Ill get it and test it out ill let you know how the ride compares to my hotchkis springs.

Kandied91z

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doesn't matter who you judge for as judging is personal bias anyhow. john and yourself are always trying to pull something like this which is funny as hell to watch. explain why an road race team would want to use air ride? is it cheaper? is it more cost effective or beneficial in any way that coilovers or even stock suspension pieces placed right couldn't do? what race team cares about having such a range of adjustment for their setup?

how many people here who are thinking about air ride want to do anything close to what your doing with your v6 car dean? these people don't care about pulling g's, they want to know they can have the range of adjustment and not loose their performance they already have and they won't. getting into this discussion is pointless as everyone knows my stance but your comparing apples to oranges and not a single thing above you said translates to anything that you'll notice on a thirdgen. picking apart the setup on your truck alone would be enough to show how the two are different. that's like myself trying to explain that a v8 can outhandle your v6 car when everything else is equal... won't happen.


you may know a thing or two about suspension and you might even know a thing or two about air bags in general but it's a proven fact that air ride can and does handle just as well as conventional setups on the street and at the track when compared to the same vehicle with stock or similar components. these companies like air ride technologies are not trying to prove they can go out and win an auto-x event or claim that someone who plans to should think about air ride. the events are setup to show that you don't have to loose your factory performance, in fact you often gain and the real test is that your car will be safe on the street which is what is really most important to many who are interested. now you and john may not want this type of thing on your cars, that's fine as not everyone does. to argue the point that someone couldn't have fun on a auto-x weekend event is crazy and rediculous. now if you want to talk dollar value and overall racing technique then that's a completely different ball game and i guarantee you that 99% of those looking for air ride aren't interested in your arguement because if you wanted to auto-x you wouldn't spend $2,000+ on valves, tanks and all the other equipment. it would be pointless.

the customer that wants air ride wants adjustment and looks with a great ride. the ability to take it on a road course or drag strip and not loose all control is a nice feature but many of these customers aren't looking for a scca or similar race build and could care less about carving corners through some stretch in the california hills at the fastest time. many of them just want to know they won't have the old traditional boat like feel that is associated with air or the jaring range that is still common with hydraulics today and they will get that with a properly built 4 way system.

RTFC

Every car that has been engineered from the Factories (Lincoln, Rover, Mazda,...etc) Have had nothing but troubles with those self leveling comfort systems (thats a fancy label for airbags) that have been highly engineered for a factory stock production vehicle.

Also, every factory production vehicle they were engineered into were not anything close to a sports car. It was a fad that came and went very quickly when the big automakers discovered a "full time" airbag setup was not what it was cracked up to be.You will not retain even a "stock ride quality" with fulltime airbags on a third gen. They would go through shocks quickly trying to damper the rebound bobble effects on the bags in order to maintain a smooth ride.

Kandied, why'd you sell your car? You just outfitted it with the bags and then sold it shortly afterwards?

Kandied91z

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why don't you explain what happens as i'd like to know, maybe i'm missing something?

Dewey316

I'm not arguing the purpose for them. But to say, they ride better and performe better is hogwash.

The only reason I came in here, was to point out, that you don't get both a better ride AND better performance with them. When you can prove otherwise, feel free. I was not saying that EVERYONE needs to go with weight-jacked springs, adjustable shocks, etc. I'm not saying there isn't a demigraphic that this is a good thing for. I'm mearly clearing up, that you will not get perrformance, looks, and a better ride, from one product.

I really don't want to get drug into an argument with you again. We have diffrent opinions, we have diffrent goals with our cars, I am stating a simple fact, and one that I don't think is arguable. You seem a little defensive because you happen to have this product on your car, and were involved with it before it was even realesed. You may have some bias there. Why do you insist on trying to argue this crap in every thread that Dean or myself post in. What performs at auto-x, and road racing, also performs on the street, its not like one thing that doesn't work at the race track is going to magicly make a care handle when the pavement is owned by the DOT.