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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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quality torque arm/ contol arms/ panhard rod?

Am interested in purchasing an adjustabe torque arm, adjustable lower control arms and an adjustable panhard rod.

I have either 1 1/2 or 2 inch drop springs and UMI sfc's.

Does anyone know what I should get, which ones are the best, and which ones are proven to not cause me a major headache?

Any pictures of quality components and advice would be greatly appretiated.
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 06:40 PM
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id go spohn. look above for sponser link.
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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have read in alot of other posts that spohns torque arms/ panhard rods/ lower control arms have broken while driving the car. Is there any truth to this?
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 11:06 PM
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id like to see a few of these posts youve read. I have heard of BMR AND PA having issues with quality control, but havent seen any of spohn parts failing.

Not saying they have or haven't i just personally have never heard this before.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 04:56 AM
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The only thing that I ever heard of Spohns breaking was his old style torque arm. Thats it. The only other time that something breaks of his (this applies to any manufature of rear suspension parts ) is when they use a Moser 12 bolt due to the way that they use 4 smaller bolts to hold the rear bracket on for the torque arm. They tend to come lose and screw some stuff up.

Soo yeah.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 07:49 AM
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right on thanks Kat. If Im gonna buy spohn lower control arms which ones should i get? please keep im mine my car has 2" lowering springs.

You got any pics Kat
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by irocstang
right on thanks Kat. If Im gonna buy spohn lower control arms which ones should i get? please keep im mine my car has 2" lowering springs.

You got any pics Kat
I'm not Kat, but check out their site, you said you want adj. and im assuming you want a street car so here is what id recomend:

http://www.spohn.net/product.cfm?productid=1293

$175

Also be sure to get these:

http://www.spohn.net/product.cfm?productid=1290
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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spohn lower control arms

have heard its not a good idea to go with tubular control arms as it will have a negitive feel on the suspension (harder and therefore every bump you hit feels that much worse). Is there any truth to this?

Also the spohn relocation brackets......know of any pictures of them installed? I am going to be running UMI sfcs and they use the lower control arm bracket as a weld point. Will this cause any problems? If I could see a picture It may help me with this question.

If you have any ansewers/pics to these questions please reply

hmmmmmm.....wonder is spohn is into a GP on these lower control arms.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 11:54 AM
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Re: spohn lower control arms

Originally posted by irocstang
have heard its not a good idea to go with tubular control arms as it will have a negitive feel on the suspension (harder and therefore every bump you hit feels that much worse). Is there any truth to this?

Also the spohn relocation brackets......know of any pictures of them installed? I am going to be running UMI sfcs and they use the lower control arm bracket as a weld point. Will this cause any problems? If I could see a picture It may help me with this question.

If you have any ansewers/pics to these questions please reply

hmmmmmm.....wonder is spohn is into a GP on these lower control arms.
the relocation brackets weld onto the axle, so it will not interfer with your SFC.

Negative feel? depends on what you call negative. if you dont like a harsh ride that handles extreamly well, they might not be the best option, but if your up for giving up a little bit of ride for that extra handling, they are for you, with the Poly bushings, it really wont be that bad, if you got them why Rod ends, then yes, it would be very harsh.


here is a picture of the relocation brackets, installed.



As for Spohn doing a GP i don't think so, i remember one time, someone wanted to do one but with the way his business is growing so fast he didnt have time to do it. but still, by far some of the best customer service ive ever recieved from a company.

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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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thanks

thanks for the pic and tellin me they weld to the axle...I wasnt aware of that. I am after a better ride than I have now. i have stock lcas on my camaro right now and i think they are worn out. How can one tell if they are? and will these spohn lcas/ relo brackets make my car feel better than if i just bought stock ones or just replaced the lca bushings? What are the differences I should notice with the spohn ones?

pps.....think part of the reason my car feels so crap now when i hit bumps is i need new door pins (they bottom out when i hit bumps) I did notice quite a difference when i replaced the spings/shocks/struts/spring insulators)

Will i notice nothing but positive results from installing these spohn lcas/relo brackets?

in ansewering these questions please keep in mind that I am building my suspension/chassis in such a way that it will be able to take the torque of a stoker 383 or 6 speed LT1.

currently have
-UMI sfcs......able to take the stress of 700+ hp
-Edelbrok stb for TBI
-TDS wonderbar
-stock monroe shocks and struts
-Sprint (cant remember 1 1/2 or 2") lowering springs/ all new insulators
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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Re: thanks

Originally posted by irocstang
thanks for the pic and tellin me they weld to the axle...I wasnt aware of that. I am after a better ride than I have now. i have stock lcas on my camaro right now and i think they are worn out. How can one tell if they are? and will these spohn lcas/ relo brackets make my car feel better than if i just bought stock ones or just replaced the lca bushings? What are the differences I should notice with the spohn ones?

pps.....think part of the reason my car feels so crap now when i hit bumps is i need new door pins (they bottom out when i hit bumps) I did notice quite a difference when i replaced the spings/shocks/struts/spring insulators)

Will i notice nothing but positive results from installing these spohn lcas/relo brackets?

in ansewering these questions please keep in mind that I am building my suspension/chassis in such a way that it will be able to take the torque of a stoker 383 or 6 speed LT1.

currently have
-UMI sfcs......able to take the stress of 700+ hp
-Edelbrok stb for TBI
-TDS wonderbar
-stock monroe shocks and struts
-Sprint (cant remember 1 1/2 or 2") lowering springs/ all new insulators
get something better than the Monroe shocks and struts, you'll be uber happy. honestly, before i'd replace the LCA's or TA id replace the shocks and struts with AT LEAST KYB's but would very much recomend Bilstein, they work well, with my eibach's atleast. not sure on the quality of the sprint springs.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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i will replace those shocks and struts at a later date. I know I need to do that...thats a given...im planning adjustable ones. They were cheap so i got them for now. They do work ok.

any ansewers to the other questions about the spohn lcas/relo brackets appretiated

thanks again
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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IMO, there are nothing but positive results from going with those new parts, but that is subjective, ill take the harsher ride for the added handling.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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I have double rod end LCA's, them are the ones people talk about giving a harsh ride.

If you go with the polys, you will be fine.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 10:09 PM
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Yup..

I have the poly/rod ended stuff with a rod ended torque arm..

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=327822
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by irocstang
i will replace those shocks and struts at a later date. I know I need to do that...thats a given...im planning adjustable ones. They were cheap so i got them for now. They do work ok.

any ansewers to the other questions about the spohn lcas/relo brackets appretiated

thanks again
Oops didnt see this. Honestly, before spending your money on suspension parts, buy a set of GOOD shocks. Tokico's, Koni's, or Bilstien's. As you can see I have Koni red's and I love them. When they go, I think I'll have them rebuilt, sell them and get a set of yellow's. I had KYB's on the car and the differance is night and day when I put them on there. The ride is firm but not harsh at all.

As for telling if the bushings are worn out, if they are the stock ones, more than likely they are. You can tell by looking at them for cracked rubber and what not. Usually when they are bad, the worst part about them sticks out when you look at it.

When I replaced the stock stuff in the iroc with the poly/poly boxed stuff that I had, the car rode 10 times better. Go figure, the rear wasn't moving all over the place. Now, with the Spohn stuff it is even smoother. Since having the rod end on the one side, it allows the rear to move almost bind free, allowing the springs and shocks to do the work like they are supposed to. Instead of having energy wasted to overcome the bind that rubber (and shot poly) ends have.

The Relocation brackets.. Do a search, it has been beaten to death arround here. Especially by Dean.

HTH.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 10:51 PM
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buy new shocks and struts

I already did and there WAS a difference between night and day when i did so. I agree they need to be replaced but i am going to wait. I am waiting because my camaro is in the garage and im stock pileing parts. I will install all them once i have all them.....all at once. I do appretiate the info on which ones to get though. I will use it when its their turn to be bought. I most likely will be going for the spohn lcas/relo brackets and panhard rod/relo brackets. Any info on which adj torque arm would be gladly appretiated. Also any info on camber plates (strut tower) and which ones to get would be appretiated? Will there be a noticable difference if I go with camber plates? Any one know and have pictures of them installed?

One day my camaro will kick my mustangs A** in a race...and will be worth more than my house.

Thanks for replying with ansewers
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