Front end-rebuild spreadsheet - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

Suspension and Chassis Questions about your suspension? Need chassis advice?

Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Old 05-27-2006, 05:30 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,620
Car: 91 Red Sled
Axle/Gears: 10bolt Richmond 3.73 Torsen
Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

I've attached a pdf file that should help people decide where to get their parts.
I did this because I was convinced that there were only a few 'real' brands of parts for our cars. Look at the part numbers and tell me what you think
Save $$ on your next rebuild.
I would add the steering sleeve's but I don't think ANYBODY should be getting the stock rust prone crap when for the same price (maybe a little more with shipping) you can get coleman hex aluminum sleeves with jam-nuts.
I don't expect anybody to have pictures of their parts with a part number reference but if you do, please post it for visual confirmations.
I'm going to visit a couple stores Monday and take pictures of their parts. No purchases until I get enough convincing evidence that one part is better than another.
The prices are all from online directory look-up. It might be cheaper depending on region so don't hold me too it. Again, I'll keep it updated and maybe a good tech article will formulate.

Last edited by JPrevost; 05-27-2006 at 05:35 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
JPrevost is offline  
Old 05-27-2006, 05:34 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,620
Car: 91 Red Sled
Axle/Gears: 10bolt Richmond 3.73 Torsen
Attachment
Attached Files
File Type: pdf
Camaro steering parts.pdf (84.5 KB, 7330 views)
JPrevost is offline  
Old 05-31-2006, 07:20 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
MurcoRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 690
Car: 1989 Camaro RS
Engine: ZZ4 350
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 9-bolt w/3.73
I'm not sure where you are located but Advance in Florida doesn't carry Moog parts, they carry TRW and Treadsaver (China made TRW parts). I stick with Moog since the "problem-solver" ball-joints use sintered bronze inserts and true ball & cup designs with del-alum inserts. They are far superior to older partial-cup designs.
MurcoRS is offline  
Old 06-01-2006, 12:30 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,620
Car: 91 Red Sled
Axle/Gears: 10bolt Richmond 3.73 Torsen
Originally Posted by MurcoRS
I'm not sure where you are located but Advance in Florida doesn't carry Moog parts, they carry TRW and Treadsaver (China made TRW parts). I stick with Moog since the "problem-solver" ball-joints use sintered bronze inserts and true ball & cup designs with del-alum inserts. They are far superior to older partial-cup designs.
According to Advance's website they do carry Moog parts for our cars. I got everything off of the websites. I'm going to stick with Moog for most of the parts and the cheapest idler arm that comes with a lifetime warranty.
What is odd is that Napa's lower line is 'mostly' Moog where as Moog is middle to top of the line everywhere else. I say mostly because of things like the idler arm. Most stores say Moog's part number is K6249 but at Napa it's MRC18832. Then if you look at Advance Auto Parts part number for their cheapest "Tread saver" product line it's S18832. Hmm... Advance Auto Parts "TRW" part number is 18832. From other members it's been said that "TRW" is Moog . Is my confusion spreading to others yet? Same strangeness goes for the lower ball joints.
JPrevost is offline  
Old 06-01-2006, 03:01 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
MurcoRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 690
Car: 1989 Camaro RS
Engine: ZZ4 350
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 9-bolt w/3.73
Originally Posted by JPrevost
Most stores say Moog's part number is K6249 but at Napa it's MRC18832. Then if you look at Advance Auto Parts part number for their cheapest "Tread saver" product line it's S18832. Hmm... Advance Auto Parts "TRW" part number is 18832. From other members it's been said that "TRW" is Moog . Is my confusion spreading to others yet? Same strangeness goes for the lower ball joints.
The "18832" number is an industry standard identifier, much like "D" numbers for brake pads. Some companies will create their own part number when it helps them maintain their inventory programming. TRW is definitely not MOOG, TRW is owned by Allied Signal and MOOG is owned by Federal Mogul. Who knows, maybe one of those companies owns the other!!!
MurcoRS is offline  
Old 06-03-2006, 06:01 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Lucid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: San Antonio, Tx
Posts: 806
Car: 86 Camaro Z28/ 87 Camaro IROC Z28
Engine: 5.0L TPI LB9 / 5.0 TPI LB9 w/cam
Transmission: Built 700R4 with Transgo shift kit
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt Posi/ 2.73 10 bolt Posi
Oreilly's sells Moog now...
Lucid is offline  
Old 06-03-2006, 10:51 AM
  #7  
Suspended
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Other side of the paper fence
Posts: 10,197
Car: Race car
Engine: Internal Combustion
Transmission: Static
There's a whole bunch of 'private' lines like Napa, Carquest, Auto Value, etc that sell what they call 'whitebox' parts that are just reboxed items like Moog parts. Not unusual. The price is considerably less, couldnt tell you why as the parts are identical. The only trick is to find out whats actually in that box, it can vary from store to store especially if they just switched over from a brand name like TRW to a whitebox, often those are just reboxed and then the next refill from the supplier comes in a different brand.
madmax is offline  
Old 06-10-2006, 05:39 AM
  #8  
Supreme Member
 
Xophertony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Or-eh-gun
Posts: 2,724
Car: 1988 Trans-Am GTA
Engine: 5.7L TPI
Transmission: WC-T5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.27
Moog is made by TRW now.
Xophertony is offline  
Old 06-10-2006, 06:52 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
MurcoRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 690
Car: 1989 Camaro RS
Engine: ZZ4 350
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 9-bolt w/3.73
Originally Posted by Xophertony
Moog is made by TRW now.
Are you sure about that? Neither of the websites show any affiliation, they are traded on the stock market as two seperate companies, and Federal Mogul is a much larger company than TRW. Where did you get this information?
MurcoRS is offline  
Old 06-29-2006, 10:55 PM
  #10  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Lehigh Valley area of PA
Posts: 38
Car: $150 82 Camaro
Engine: 406 when my ship comes in
Transmission: 6 speed Richmond (its that ship business again)
Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

I worked for a company that bought another company that was well known as a manufacturer of engine and chassis parts. As this was some twenty years ago I do not want to use company names as I am sure the situation in the chassis industry has continued to evolve and the sources and brand names may have changed. In the 90's there was a very limited number of chassis parts manufacturing companies in the USA. Most of the "Brand Name" suppliers did not manufacture a full line of products and some made none of the parts they sold. Therefore they purchased the parts that they did not manufacture, either from competitors or third party manufacturers. Most of these parts were identical if purchased from competitors, although some items with large production runs were made to customer specs. Third party purchases could be manufactured either to manufacturers specs (usual if the manufacturer sold to the OEM) or to customer specs. The industry became even more complicated as imported parts became available and off brands developed. Quality could change greatly from source to source. "Brand Name" companies followed one of two sourcing routes, purchase from the cheapest supplier (which at times resulted in quality problems) and put it in the "Brand Box", or they developed a quality (Brand Name) and an economy line (new name). Add to this the need to always have a supply of product and situation becomes very muddy. Terms like "Replacement part" and "Meets or exceeds OEM specs" do not always mean the same thing. Brands that offer a real special feature(s) over the competition usually control the manufacturing process either by making the product in house or through specifications given to the factory manufacturing the product and you get what you bought. But, as a customer, in many cases "what's in the box is what you get" and the seller's warrenty is more important than the actual product.
Al Miles is offline  
Old 06-30-2006, 11:20 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
MurcoRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 690
Car: 1989 Camaro RS
Engine: ZZ4 350
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 9-bolt w/3.73
Oh, so true!! I've pulled-out tie-rod ends out of TRW boxes and found different quality parts (thicker forgings, larger hardware, better fit & finish) from the same batch at a store. The reps I've spoken with told me that sometimes they will substitute when they run low from their supplier. That means that you can purchase a "premium" product with "standard" parts in the box and sometimes get the better stuff in the standard box! Be a smart buyer, ask to see all that they have of a part (3rd gen stuff is readily available, very GM generic, and usually well stocked in multiple quantities) and make sure of what you are getting. Although as Al said, the warranty is your primary concern and performance is a close second!
MurcoRS is offline  
Old 07-06-2006, 09:46 PM
  #12  
Junior Member
 
Aerosmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 45
Car: 1982 Camaro, 1985 Z28
Engine: 383, 305
Transmission: TH350, T-5
I spent 12 years managing a retail auto parts store. That said, on the average, if it has a private lable on it, it is probably (now) made overseas. Case in point is most of Autozones private label stuff. Some people will even tell you that some stuff is reboxed premium brands, but that is rarely the case unless as stated the private supplier ran out. The Auto parts industry unfortunately is not regulated to the point that quality at a certain level is required. All you have to do is make a part that fits and meets minimum standards and they will buy.
At the other end of the spectrum is the business I'm now in, Pharmaceuticals. This is the second most regulated industry in the world after nuclear energy. When we bottle a multisource(generic) it is the same product from the same tank or bin as the 'brand' with the only difference being the label graphics. We even have to use the same shape bottle as the one the brand drug comes in.Too bad car parts aren't like that.
Aerosmith is offline  
Old 07-07-2006, 11:31 AM
  #13  
Suspended
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Other side of the paper fence
Posts: 10,197
Car: Race car
Engine: Internal Combustion
Transmission: Static
What retail store? Autozone or the like?

I havent checked much lately since its been over 10 years since I worked behind the counter but the last parts I got a year ago for my pickup at my local mom+pop were whitebox parts from a local warehouse and without any doubt you could buy the same parts and pay more for them in a Moog box... as in they matched the Moog parts on the shelf at the mom+pop.

My past experience with TRW fits with a post above. It really was hit+miss as to what you would get in the box. I spent a few months ordering from different warehouses before I got a matching set of the 'better' parts for my car. I'd have to say that what I finally sold myself was made somewhere on this continent, and it was obvious to me some of what I did not take was from Asia. We carried over the years I worked there so many brands I cant even keep track. I know we sold Moog, TRW, McQuay, Sealed Power (Mostly Moog at first and later solely TRW origin in the box) and then a whole group of whiteboxed parts. Sometimes we carried more than one line of parts.

Just FYI for those that dont know:

When we switched lines, especially to whitebox or a 'chain' brand like Auto Value, the parts on the shelf were reboxed in the store to the new box so we had a whole line of Moog parts thrown into Auto Value boxes. Same goes for Sealed Power, did the same thing there although the later parts were mix+match. Quite likely the warehouse had reboxed as well, who knows what exactly we were getting. Only sure way to know whats in there, check.

Lets say a repair shop or gas station orders up some parts from you and waits. What they dont tell you is they have a 'rush' job (arent they all?) and they ordered parts from like 4 different places. The ones I know who did this a lot did it to get parts faster and also in case the parts sent were defective or what was in the box wasnt right. That happens more than you want to know. Then with all the parts at the shop, they always end up opening more than one box and next thing you know the TRW parts ordered from store X end up in the MOOG box from store Y, and the parts are sent back to store Y. I checked for this, but other people at the store did not and so... only way to know whats in the box? Yea, check the box.
madmax is offline  
Old 07-17-2006, 08:12 PM
  #14  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 16
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: TPI 350
Transmission: 700R4
I also found it strage the Napa would be so much lower on Moog parts than O'Reilly, Summit, and RockAuto. After reading over the post from Al Miles, Aerosmith, and madmax a couple times, I looked over the part pictures that Napa put up and compaired them with pictures RockAuto and O'Reilly put up. Going from the pictures as a repersentation of thier products (not that pictures always match the actualy part in the box), the cheep Napa parts are not Moog. Example is the Idler Arm:

Napa's Idler Arm P/N MRC 18832 for $35.99

O'Reilly's Idler Arm P/N K6249 for $64.99 (Owch!)
RockAuto's Idler Arm P/N K6249 for $55.79
Summit's Idler Arm P/N MOG-K6249 for 61.69

The joint on the Napa "Moog" part looks nothing like the other 3 Moog parts.

Lower Ball Joint:
Napa
O'Reilly

Center Link:
Napa
O'Reilly
(Joints look different)

I dont think those are Moog, I did not see any reference on the Napa web page stating that said part was Moog. Unless, as what what stated in the threads above, the Moog parts got shoved into "white boxes". I hope to have time tommorow to run over to Napa and take a gander at a few of these parts just to be sure.

Edit: Went to Napa, took a look at the ball joint, the "Moog" part looks like a PoS. The Napa agent said that these were Moog's cheep line of parts, but they had no marking to say who made them. The Napa Agent also said these parts wernt worth puting on your car and they hardly ever sell this line. This is a Napa store located in a light industry part of town with a decent amount of car shops around. When basic car repair shops dont even use that Chassis line, you know its ****.

Last edited by Rydex; 07-18-2006 at 07:21 PM.
Rydex is offline  
Old 09-13-2006, 01:21 PM
  #15  
Member
 
DAVEY420's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Trevose,PA
Posts: 181
Car: 85 IROC Z
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: TCI TH350 TCI 2400 STALL
Axle/Gears: 3.42 WORN OUT POSI
Hey guys I work at Napa and we don't offer Moog. The MRC is our Master Ride junk. I just wanted to chime in so there was no misinformation. The top of the line is our precision made by Dana and that has a lifetime warrenty.
DAVEY420 is offline  
Old 12-03-2006, 08:15 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
1986Z28OWNER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 961
Car: 1986 Z-28
Engine: 429ci Aluminum LSx, Twin 72's
Transmission: Reid case Powerglide/ GV overdrive
Axle/Gears: 9", 40 Spline axles, 3.89
i work at partsource, so if anyone needs mcquay norris or trw PN's or SKU's i can get them easily
1986Z28OWNER is offline  
Old 12-15-2006, 11:25 AM
  #17  
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Carleton, Michigan, U.S.
Posts: 142
Am I the only one who knows of this company?

http://www.p-s-t.com/gm/gmfekpg.html

Or is something wrong with their parts?
Ucantcme57 is offline  
Old 01-08-2007, 10:42 PM
  #18  
Member
 
IROCWPB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
Posts: 160
Car: 88' Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: 383ci TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: stock
I'd really like to know the best source/brand to go with here. I'm going to do a complete front end rebuild, every bushing, tie rods, and everything else that goes bad down there after 20 years. I'd like to get a good price on everything, but I don't want to be installing junk. Last time I had my car up to 120+ it scared the living hell out of me, i thought my wheels were about to fly off.

Can someone tell me where I can get a good price on the best parts? That P-S-T.com seems to have good prices, but who knows about the quality. Energy Suspension sells a kit and it says it includes all front AND rear bushings and tie rod ends for 140$. Energy Suspension is the only tranny mount I've found that my motor won't rip apart in a day.

Thanks
Justin


edit: I'll also be putting in new shocks and struts, any recommendations there?

Last edited by IROCWPB; 01-08-2007 at 10:51 PM.
IROCWPB is offline  
Old 01-09-2007, 08:41 AM
  #19  
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Carleton, Michigan, U.S.
Posts: 142
That poly graphite is some of the strongest material around.. The product is endorsed by both hot rod and chevy magazine and both have done many articles on their products..
Ucantcme57 is offline  
Old 04-05-2007, 01:41 AM
  #20  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: michigan
Posts: 13,039
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

so what is the conclusion here... decent info but no real point yet. did we ever come to a conclusion on what is the right one. sometimes saving money isn't the best thing when it comes to something as important as these pieces are it's good to know what's right and then find the best price on it right?

p-s-t has been around for sometime, i put a kit on one of my cars back in 02 but soon sold the car so i never had any real time with it. i'd like to know more about those kits as well as the price isn't bad.

as for the poly graphite then i also hear moog was bought out, are they still making good parts or no and if so what are the part numbers we should be looking for... is it still what's posted above?
Kandied91z is offline  
Old 04-06-2007, 10:01 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
MurcoRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 690
Car: 1989 Camaro RS
Engine: ZZ4 350
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 9-bolt w/3.73
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Originally Posted by Ucantcme57 View Post
That poly graphite is some of the strongest material around.. The product is endorsed by both hot rod and chevy magazine and both have done many articles on their products..
Not to sound cynical but I listen more to people who use the products instead of the magazines that are supported by the advertising dollars from these companies. I had PST poly graphite pieces on my car for about 2 years and was not happy. I had suspension binding, noise, and no noticable difference in steering response or stability in turns. I've had Del-Alum bushings in my front end for 5 years now and am very pleased. They sharpened the steering response, do not bind, and only transmit the slightest bit more impacts from the road than the factory rubber parts.
Have we verified anything about MOOG yet??
MurcoRS is offline  
Old 05-31-2007, 08:43 PM
  #22  
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Woodbridge, ON, Canada
Posts: 180
Car: Camaro RS '91
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: Auto w/ TransGo shift kit
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

So what's the conclusion on PST? I'm ready to order my front end parts but I'd hate to spend my money on something not worth it. I think I'll get with the sway bars and some bushings from TGO's sponsor Spohn but I'll need shocks and ball joints and PST has some good prices.
What do you recommend? Any suggestions where I should buy from (and what)?
Thanks.

D.
Vortex91 is offline  
Old 08-08-2007, 05:29 PM
  #23  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
 
87zjeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: louisville, ky
Posts: 1,366
Axle/Gears: '01 3.42 10 bolt
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

just to add my $.02, i have been using te p-s-t poly bushings i everything except motor and tranny mounts for about 10 years now. inner and outer tie rod ends/ sleeves and haven't had any problems with them. my rear bushings are the ones that came in the hotchkis parts.
87zjeff is offline  
Old 08-08-2007, 07:21 PM
  #24  
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Woodbridge, ON, Canada
Posts: 180
Car: Camaro RS '91
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: Auto w/ TransGo shift kit
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Thanks 87 but I've ordered my Energy Suspension kit from Summit. Now I have to put everything in, this century hopefully, hehe.
Vortex91 is offline  
Old 10-24-2007, 10:31 AM
  #25  
Member
 
FireHwk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hacienda heights, CA
Posts: 101
Car: 92 camaro vert.
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 4th gen with 3:42
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

I put the camaro steering parts on a excel sheet with a filter so it's easier to sort. If anybody wants it they can e-mail me at [email protected]. there is a spam-filter so you will need to reply to it.
FireHwk is offline  
Old 12-12-2007, 04:38 AM
  #26  
Junior Member
 
RIPPERACE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Phila, Ohio
Posts: 7
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: 355, original 305 H.O.
Transmission: TH 700 R-4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 posi, rear disc rear end
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Just to add my two pennies also, you have to watch TRW parts. I bought all the front end stuff for my S-10 through Advance Auto Parts, and they stock TRW stuff. It's their "Lifetime Warranty" stuff. Anyways, to make a long story short, when installing bushings in the control arms I noticed that I had 8 individual boxes. 4 with the same part number (uppers) and four with two different part numbers (bottoms). So far, so good. Well when I started unpacking the bushings I had four of the same bushings for the tops that matched the boxes, but I had THREE of the same bushings for the bottoms and one odd ball! That's not the end! The rear leaf spring eye bushings weren't even the same as what came out. The rear eye bushings were WAY too small. Now we move on to the lower ball joints. Same TRW part number for both lowers, but what was inside was indeed very different. One ball joint was bigger than the other. Someone mentioned about different castings for the parts too???? You better believe it! The inner tie rods were definately different even though the part numbers on the boxes were the same. One had more "beef" to it than the other. These were all UNOPENED boxes!

I guess my point is you have to watch when you buy aftermarket stuff, cuz it seems that nobody makes their own stuff anymore. Someone mentioned about the "Meets or exceeds factory specs" tagline? Oh boy, you better believe that too! Sometimes you get lucky and wind up with stuff that lasts, but 9 times out of ten it won't last as long as the original stuff. Take brake pads for instance. How many of you run GM brake pads on your cars? Be it daily drivers or your 3rd gens? How many of you don't? I'd be willing to bet that the ones that don't will attest that they've went through a greater quantity of brake pads than when their vehicles had the original brake pads installed from the factory. I know just on my S-10 alone, I've went through 2 sets of rotors and four sets of brake pads in 6 years. Considering that the first brake job I did on that truck was removing the factory pads at 56,000 miles, and the truck now has 132,000, I'd say that's pretty s#*!!y quality! Even if they ARE warranted for as long as I own the vehicle! I'd rather spend the extra, get the good stuff, do it once and have it last rather than having to do brake jobs every 19,000 miles. Hell, that's a little over a year for a set of aftermarket pads! That sucks!

I know for a fact that GM has quality standards that have to be met to have the GM, or Delco name emblazoned on the box because of the QS-9000 standards. So even if the General get their parts from three different suppliers, those three suppliers have to meet strict standards for GM to buy from them. Whereas when you buy from discount houses like Auto Zone, or Advance, or even NAPA, it's kind of a crap shoot. See above about the fiasco I went through with a common truck and it's suspension rebuild and brake jobs. NAPA, I've found, is a lot of times more expensive (sometimes moreso than even factory stuff) but their quality seems tighter than say, Auto Zone.

I haven't gotten as far as buying balljoints, tie rods, and brake stuff yet for my T/A, but I just might end up going through my local GM parts guy to get the stuff to ensure I get the same stuff in the boxes when I open them, and that the stuff I install will last.

Ripper
RIPPERACE is offline  
Old 08-08-2009, 10:16 AM
  #27  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Storm Lake, IA
Posts: 19
Car: 89 Iroc
Engine: none yet
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: strange 33 spline 4.30
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

You forgot Arnold Motor Supply!!
bonebrake22 is offline  
Old 03-27-2012, 12:56 PM
  #28  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (30)
 
BlueZee28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 6,258
Car: 1991 Z28 convertible built 3/1/1990
Engine: Cammed 6.0L LSX
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: custom Ford 8.8", 4.10 gears
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

This thread has been helpful, I was trying to figure out why Advance's Moog ball joints are $35 each and NAPA sells them for $13 each. Looks like the napa ones lack in quality, l am willing to spend a few more bucks for some confidence in the parts.
BlueZee28 is offline  
Old 08-13-2012, 08:23 AM
  #29  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (9)
 
BOTTLEDZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Mass
Posts: 3,830
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: A4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Has anyone confirmed if the NAPA brand of "Moog" is any less quality then the other vendors out there? The current price in my area for a MOOG lower ball joint from NAPA is $15.00. Advance has a MOOG for 37.00. Napa is the only place has has its own part number for the ball joint. Part number K6145T comes up for the exact replacement from a few different companies so it makes me wonder about Napas version of the MOOG ball joint they have for half the price.
BOTTLEDZ28 is offline  
Old 08-31-2012, 04:35 PM
  #30  
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 458
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

I priced a steering and suspension rebuild from Rockauto. This includes shocks and springs, and the total is $734.21

Last edited by johnw999; 08-31-2012 at 05:31 PM.
johnw999 is offline  
Old 08-31-2012, 05:24 PM
  #31  
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 458
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Part
Price
Quantity
Total
MOOG Part # K6145T Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front Lower
$21.79 x2 = $43.58

MOOG Part # DS1049 Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front
$57.79 x1 = $57.79

MOOG Part # K6253 Package Quantity As Shown In Image Incl. front and rear bushings
Front Lower
$14.59 x1 = $14.59

MOOG Part # K6178 Package Quantity As Shown In Image Incl. front and rear bushings
REAR LOWER
$17.09 x1 = $17.09

Suspension : Stabilizer Bar Bushing
MOOG Part # K6451 Package Quantity As Shown In Image
w/1" Bar; w/o tabs on mounting clamp; Front To Frame
$8.81 x1 = $8.81


MOOG Part # K6457 Package Quantity As Shown In Image
w/1-5/16" Bar; w/o tabs on mounting clamp; Front To Frame
$10.54 x1 = $10.54

MOOG Part # K6249 Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front
$44.79 x2 = $89.58

MOOG Part # ES2226RL Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front Outer
$16.12 x2 = $32.24

MOOG Part # ES2227RL Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front Inner
$26.79 x2 = $53.58

MOOG Part # ES2032S
Front
$8.80 x2 = $17.60

MOOG Part # K6630 Problem Solver
HEAVY DUTY DESIGN; Front
HEAVY DUTY DESIGN; Rear
$7.61 x2 = $15.22

MOOG Part # 5665 Sold In Pairs
Rr Susp; Standard Duty Replacement; Constant Rate Springs
$53.79 x1 = $53.79

MOOG Part # 5642 Sold In Pairs
Frt Susp; A/T; w/o A/C; Heavy Duty Replacement; Constant Rate Springs
Frt Susp; M/T; w/A/C; Heavy Duty Replacement; Constant Rate Springs
Frt Susp; w/A/C; Heavy Duty Replacement; Constant Rate Springs
Frt Susp; Exc. P215/65/15 Tires; w/A/C; Constant Rate Springs
$84.79 x1 = $84.79

KYB Part # 343211 GR-2 / Excel-G
Rear Left
Rear Right
$20.79 x1 = $20.79

KYB Part # SM5027 Mount Components
Front Left
$53.89 x1 = $53.89

KYB Part # SM5028 Mount Components
Front Right
$53.89 x1 = $53.89

KYB Part # 236001 GR-2 / Excel-G
Front Left
Front Right
$47.89 x1 = $47.89

Subtotal
$675.66

Shipping from 3 locations:
Shipping Location AGround (3 to 6 business days)
$9.03
Shipping Location BGround (3 to 6 business days)
$23.42
Shipping Location CGround (3 to 6 business days)
$26.10

Total
$734.21

Last edited by johnw999; 08-31-2012 at 05:30 PM.
johnw999 is offline  
Old 02-10-2013, 12:36 AM
  #32  
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: DENTON TEXAS
Posts: 16
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Purchased all 4 tie rods from summit for my 91. All came in a white box with a moog sticker. One doesn't even say moog on the part and is visually inferior to the rest. I went to oreillys to get another one. The part I got from oreillys is heads and tails above the summit parts. Ill be returning my summit junk.
91z383 is offline  
Old 04-03-2015, 12:34 PM
  #33  
Junior Member
 
SOCAL-Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: So. California
Posts: 97
Car: 87' IROC
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Glad I found this thread saved me a bunch of time getting part numbers. Buying a few parts each week.
SOCAL-Z is offline  
Old 09-24-2015, 09:14 PM
  #34  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: W.A.
Posts: 70
Car: 1984 camaro
Engine: 2.5L 4 cylinder (151 Iron Duke)
Transmission: 4 speed Saginaw
Axle/Gears: 3.43
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Ill be working for oreillys shortly and im about to start my front end rebuild. Looks like moog is the part brand i want? I didnt see anyone say if it was bought out or not.
InfinityShade is offline  
Old 11-21-2017, 11:04 PM
  #35  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 5
Re: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet

Glad to have these part numbers. Thanks for the info
lpfeifer1980 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
deracer
Camaros for Sale
3
04-11-2016 12:04 AM
1Aauto
Sponsored Vendors
0
08-26-2015 02:18 PM
ProtoMaster22
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
1
08-26-2015 07:50 AM
htrdbmr
DIY PROM
2
08-18-2015 12:58 PM
customblackbird
Suspension and Chassis
0
08-10-2015 09:30 AM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Front end-rebuild spreadsheet


Advertising
Featured Sponsors
Vendor Directory

Contact Us Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: