does it matter if the brackets are bolt on or welded? I am looking at the bolt on because I dont want to pay some guy to weld them in but I dont want the brackets to fall off. has anybody here heard or had the bolt in relocation brackets break or fall off?

 

I got the umi bolt in relocation brackets not that long about they looked pretty tough and go on tight. So tight I had to hit with a hammer to get it to line up correctly. I highly doubt that they would ever fall off or break once you bolt them up.

 

awesome looks like bolt ons for me!

 

only thing is that i've heard bolt ons will "egg out" the bolt holes over time and become less effective. just FYI.

 

Those brackets are under tremendous stress and leverage levels. I would not trust just bolting them on. The strain on it over time will cause a bolt failure and they will loosen as someone above has already discribed. For you safety and other motorist on the road, bolt them on then try to get it down soon to have them welded.
Bolt on ones are nice for location purposes and keeping the alignment specs of the LCA's equal. The bolt on ones have a location bracket which bolts to the shock mount on the axle also- the weld on ones do not have this extra bracket. I actually purposely bought the bolt on ones and welded them just to get the extra bracket for support and safety and for the future transition I may do someday to coilovers on the rear.

 

I bought UMI's bolt on relocation brackets, just got them the other day. I will install them myself and then have them welded in in the near future. I can't imagine it would egg out the holes, the LCA bolts in there, and they don't seem to egg out the holes. I think you have that confused with the bolt in SFCs. The metal is very thin were you would bolt in the SFCs, so it def. would egg out the holes.

Anyways, I bought the bolt on brackets just because they have the extra mounting point at the shock mount. And I planned from the begining to have them welded on.

 

No, I assure you I have my facts right. I spoke about the added leverage the Rrelocation brackets give the LCA's- thats the key to the bolt on relocation brackets loosening.

 

Well maybe so, point is, there ok to use, just plan on having them welded in soon after they are installed.

 

Isn't that what I first said?
Might I give you a suggestion to wait and experience things since you are new and just building your car, rather than start assuming you can give a professional analysis to other people on parts you have never owned.

 

alright guys not that big of a deal....ill bolt them in and have somebody weld them in

 

We have not had any issues with our bolt on design and I feel very confident running them with out welding them. We not only make them for the F-Body but we even use them on the A-Body vehicles as well with the same luck.

I do recommend welding, as that is the safest and best way, esp. if the car is a race car putting down a good amount of power. Otherwise a bolt on set will be just fine if welding is not accessible.

Hope that helps,
Ryan

 

You just haven't been sued yet.
You yourself just said in your own admission that you recommend welding them. Bolt on is not safe and could be dangerous if they come loose- period. They are only manufatured by vendors so they can sell something to a person that wants to install it themself but can not weld- that person can then drive there car to a shop and have the parts welded by a professional.

The first time you have a problem you will claim attimently that every part is sold with the disclaimer that this is a race part and not intended for hwy use. And that the instructions also require the part be installed by a professional- History has proven that disclaimer does not hold water since many many a company has folded up and come back out under dfferent names.

 

I recommend welding as the "safest" way, yes. But when installed correctly and if checked periodically like recommended there is no reason why a bolted item can not work. Bolts can come loose on any item, not just control arm relocation brackets. Under your opinion any item that is bolted the vehicle is unsafe such as the motor, transmission, rear end ect. There all bolted in place and there is a chance that any bolt anywhere could come loose..

 

Yes, but cars are engineered under strenious testing and engineering under strict federal safety guidelines for highway use. Your parts are bolted into a vehicle and altering these sfaety guidelines and are not engineered to handle the ADDITIONAL levearaged stress levels that bolt location was accepting from the factory engineered purpose.
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Might I suggest to you to simply at this point agree and further insist that the bolt-on parts you sell are merely for the purpose of bolting on then driving the car to a facility to have them welded in place within a safe mileage increment.

You know darn well that this public conversation alone can be printed and used against you legally in any such unfortunate event that someone follows your suggestions and has a bolt on failure, and g()d forbid someone gets injured or killed.

 

Might you insist I agree? Who do you think you are? You can have an opinion all you want and you can express it all you but this doesn't mean anyone needs to agree with you.

We will make parts and engineer parts and advertise parts as we fill necessary and I don't need you telling me what I can and can not do or even suggesting what you think I should do.

I suggest you mind your own business.

 

I will, I have said my peace. Good luck.

ps- for the record, my quote was "Might I suggest..." not " Might I insist..."

 

I have no idea who HPE is but the bolt on brackets are fine. With the added shock mount you actually have more mounting surface than a weld on one. Also the bolts are in double shear so the odds of breaking one is very close to nil.


HPE when you open your own chassis and suspension manufacturing business and provide products it would be a little bit easier to take your comments to heart.