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Im only looking for pics of drop spindle off the car I.E (front back and diffrents angles) and showen bolted in on the car too. post brand name with pics
lol... Dean mentions drop spindles are a good upgrade and now everyone is making that the hot topic. Posts are popping up everywhere about this now that he mentioned them.
There is no denying that he knows a lot, but I wouldn't change stuff just because he says so... Do you guys understand everything he said? (I'll admit I don't understand everything, but I do know a good chunk of what he said.)
Vetruck made some posts about how to build the ultimate handling thirdgen. In a few of his posts, he mentioned the benefits of drop spindles. Since he has brought those up, I have noticed a lot interest in drop spindles. Several wanted adds, a few posts asking for more info on them, a couple about where to get them/who makes them... it isn't just this forum either... it's been happening on a few others.
And now this thread...
Just thought it was odd that so many people take his word like it's the bible or something. Apparently you had no idea about this...
lmao no. i'v been playing around with some ideas in my head for a few years. I have also seen a increse in posts talking about drop spindles (hell a few post i just posted in someone said something about "once i get my drop spindels") with the incressed intrest in these, i just wanted to see what each companys models looked like. Yea well the just like a indian leading buffalo off a clif. One will lead the rest will fallow. . .
i'v been hiding behind a hill eating grass
oh ok. and any concusions ?? have you found any way ?
best regards
I just checked my inbox and outbox for my private messages and couldn't find the discussion. Honestly I can't remember a whole lot (It was from early this year). I think the Jeep Grand Cherokee was a possible choice for a replacement steering box. I think there was also some talk about lengthening/shorting the A-arm too. Below is a link to some specs on steering boxes. Sorry I couldn't help more. http://jimshea.corvettefaq.com/
Here is a small pic, but this person was using Belltech 2" drop spindles in front and he dropped the rear 1.5" with springs. He claims that with 17"x9.5" wheels and 275 tires, he only had minor rubbing when at full lock. https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...d-img_0085.jpg
That's all from me. If you want more you can get the pics yourself... I just searched the entire TGO database and these are all the pics I found that were confirmed drop spindle pics.
Mike
Last edited by racing geek; 09-24-2009 at 01:01 PM.
so we cant used stock third gen brakes with drop spindles?
I don't see why you couldn't use them... I would think that if they are built for 82-92 Camaro's and Firebird's, they would make them to fit the stock brakes.
I don't see why you couldn't use them... I would think that if they are built for 82-92 Camaro's and Firebird's, they would make them to fit the stock brakes.
i thought i read on the racecraft one that the mounts were for c5 or ls1 calipers
lol... Dean mentions drop spindles are a good upgrade and now everyone is making that the hot topic. Posts are popping up everywhere about this now that he mentioned them.
There is no denying that he knows a lot, but I wouldn't change stuff just because he says so... Do you guys understand everything he said? (I'll admit I don't understand everything, but I do know a good chunk of what he said.)
Oh well, to each his own.
I know, I can't understand a god dam word he writes
maybe i should explain then why drop spindle keep stock front factory geometry but lower the center of gravity (cg) 2".
Lets say the car has a factory front roll center of 8" off the ground and the cg of the car is 15" looking at the car from the front.That is 7" leverage on lateral roll- think of it as a 7" breaker bar.
Lowering the car 2" can be done (for the most part) 2 ways, 1)springs only, or 2) spindle only
If you use spindles then the cg goes down to 13" and the RC goes down to 6"-----Still 7" leverage and a great byproduct of a lower center of gravity overall. think of a van cornering compared to a 914 Porsche, the van will tip because obviously it is tall. Lower is better.
then, lower the car the same 2" only using springs-what happens? Well, the cg goes down the same 2" as the spindle drop to 13", but the front roll center geometry will drop drastically more to aprox 4" or more (lets just say 4" for this example being the best case scenario)to4" off the ground. the end result of roll leverage is now INCREASED to 9" laterally onto those same rate springs- so you now have to increase spring rate to compensate for this- thus also having to increase rear rate proportionately and yielding a much stiffer straightline ride.
Thats as basic as I can put it.
Yes, buy drop spindles if they are availiable for any car you want to handle better. Lower cg without increased ratio roll center drop is GOOD.
Not just becasue Dean said so, Laws of physics says so
one question, does the roll center actually go down with the drop spindles?
i was under the impression that drop spindles only moved the wheel up by two inches on the spindles, and did not change anything about the geometry...
i was just wondering would the belltech 2100 like on jegs.com work on our cars. the pics look the same as many of the other pics for the ones with stock brakes and steering. all the holes even look in the same place. i just can't see spending $550 for the racecraft ones. i really want to lower the front the right way but ouch. i have been looking for days and cant find anything but the racecraft for bolt ins. just wondering if anyone has found others a little cheaper.
i was just wondering would the belltech 2100 like on jegs.com work on our cars. the pics look the same as many of the other pics for the ones with stock brakes and steering. all the holes even look in the same place. i just can't see spending $550 for the racecraft ones. i really want to lower the front the right way but ouch. i have been looking for days and cant find anything but the racecraft for bolt ins. just wondering if anyone has found others a little cheaper.
funny you mention that. Summit seems to use a generic picture for most of their belltech spindles, and that picture seems to be of a 3rd gen drop spindle, that belltech hasnt made since 04?
if you go to jegs and look at the 2100 it also recommends the ground force if you see the pic for thoughs they also look the same ???? i wonder. need to find some s-10 spindles then and test fit. i would like to get some to lower the right way
Hey 572_rat, what size tires do you have with that setup I have the same springs as you (with 4th gen insulators, which are higher). I was thinking about getting the 2" Racecraft spindles but from what I see it looks real low and not what I'm looking for personally.
I have stock 16" IROC wheels with stock size tires @ 245/50/16.
Hey 572_rat, what size tires do you have with that setup I have the same springs as you (with 4th gen insulators, which are higher). I was thinking about getting the 2" Racecraft spindles but from what I see it looks real low and not what I'm looking for personally.
I have stock 16" IROC wheels with stock size tires @ 245/50/16.
Thanks!
-Marc
Tires are 28 x 7.5 x 15 Mickey Thompson, I have the 3rd gen isolators
28 inches tall? I have stock which I beleive is 25.5 if i remember correctly.. That would mean i'd be roughly 2.5 inches higher than you.. Actually probably higher cuz i have 4th gen isolators which i beleive are higher than the 3rd gen ones. Cool thanks i'm pretty sure i'll be getting the drop spindles now!
I heard drop spindles were no longer produced for our cars, yes this thread is 7 years old but i see the links still work and racecraft still has the 2" drop spindles on their website so did they start offering them again?
That's a lot to spend on something you can't use on the street or autocross. Looks to me like Ronal R15 17x9.5s wouldn't clear the steering, either.
Why couldn't they be used on the street? and they are made to clear steering and maintain factory steering geometry, im running irocs(16x8 85-87 style i believe) so i shouldnt have any problems if i decided to spend that much on them. That is the "correct" way to lower the front of our cars from what i understand
That disclaimer is the very first line of their product description.
They say stock wheels fit, but didn't specify which ones, and they specify stock brakes don't work. Lots of hassles.
Probably a better option might be to raise the inner pivots of the lower A arms, then cut coils. No clue if that would help or hurt bumpsteer.
That disclaimer is the very first line of their product description.
They say stock wheels fit, but didn't specify which ones, and they specify stock brakes don't work. Lots of hassles.
Probably a better option might be to raise the inner pivots of the lower A arms, then cut coils. No clue if that would help or hurt bumpsteer.
A lot of things aftermarket like this say not for street use so i ignored that line completely, didnt even see where it said will not work with factory brakes, how would i raise the inner pivots of the A arms is there a bracket? Im a bit of a new guy to lowering so sorry if i sound dumb. Also my car is a v6 but im planning a 305 swap, just have to have the funding(of course) XD XD
No, raising the inner ends is not a thing, but it could be. I have wondered about it, it would raise the front roll center, which helps these cars. Probably best left to others for now, not newbs like me. If I was going to try it, I'd just drill new holes directly above the existing ones, then try to reinstall the arms in the new holes, with washers added to the bolts and see if they hit anything else. If clearance can be had without weakening anything, then check the bumpsteer. If that can be corrected, then weld the washers and drive it to an alignment shop.
Hopefully someone who knows about such things will find this and chime in.
The only way (that I know of) to get drop spindles for our cars is to buy the Racecraft spindles, and have a knowledgeable person rebuild/re-weld them. That is exactly what Racecraft did with their roadrace spindle, which they no longer offer. I had ordered the roadrace, received the regular, sent them back in for the upgrade/rebuild - total was 750-800. It would probably cost more than that to get a knowledgeable person to take apart and rebuild as they would not be familiar with all the details. As I recall, RR drop spindles were 1.5 lbs lighter than stock - see 2nd embedded pick.
Doable? - yes. Finding the right person - challenging and cost will scare most people away. Plus, you will be limited to 8-8.5" front wheel. I believe the drop w/245 is every bit as competitive with no drop w/275's. Wider than that there is no contest, but you have heavier wheel combo's, difficult rebound control, difficult tire wear patterns, wheel/tire expense, and rut control on the street.
09-23-2009, 05:30 PM
Posts are popping up everywhere about this now that he mentioned them.
The only PM i found was from you asking for templets for these brakets i made. BTW i havent even got around to scanning the paper you still want them? 
