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Old Dec 24, 2010 | 02:08 AM
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Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

So about finished with my Lt1 swap. All that's left is reinstalling the Torque arm and driveshaft.

I was wondering if its worth upgrading both? Or should I use the money on Sfcs and Bilstens instead? I do plan to take my 92 to the track at one point. Would it be a constant thing? Depends. Much rather be a DD. I figure that being said that Sfcs and Bilstens would be the right choice but just wanting some feedback.


As for the driveshaft. They average out at $120. $100 local. My steel one needs a good cleaning and coating as well as a new u-joint so wondered if buying an alum would be
better off. I know most say the car feels more peepier and less vibrations at high speeds.

Also are bilstens the way to go for the price? I have no idea on brand the 92 has on right now. Rears are unused Gr2s which I bought on a sale. Just looking for a smooth ride. I know tires can account a lot into this as well which I'm still loooking at as I type this.

As far as my front suspension goes. All looks good. No worn stuff just dirty.
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Old Dec 24, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

Originally Posted by Carlos773
So about finished with my Lt1 swap. All that's left is reinstalling the Torque arm and driveshaft.

I was wondering if its worth upgrading both? Or should I use the money on Sfcs and Bilstens instead? I do plan to take my 92 to the track at one point. Would it be a constant thing? Depends. Much rather be a DD. I figure that being said that Sfcs and Bilstens would be the right choice but just wanting some feedback.


As for the driveshaft. They average out at $120. $100 local. My steel one needs a good cleaning and coating as well as a new u-joint so wondered if buying an alum would be
better off. I know most say the car feels more peepier and less vibrations at high speeds.

Also are bilstens the way to go for the price? I have no idea on brand the 92 has on right now. Rears are unused Gr2s which I bought on a sale. Just looking for a smooth ride. I know tires can account a lot into this as well which I'm still loooking at as I type this.

As far as my front suspension goes. All looks good. No worn stuff just dirty.
I read your post twice, and I still can't figure out what the intended purpose of the car is - DD or strip....All that stuff depends on what you intend to upgrade first, second etc..then you talk about shocks, TQ arms etc...
"Depends" -For a big power engine upgrade, you need to look at tranny and suspension - and don't forget brakes. SFC's are a good idea even for a stockish car IMO.

If you're going to get an aftermarket TQ arm, don't do what I did and get a heavier one that still hooks up to the tailshaft....be done with it the 1st time and get one that either hooks up to the crossmember, or get a TQ arm conversion crossmember.

If you're autocrossing, the bilstien's would be nice, but if it's the drag strip 70/30 struts would be better....

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Old Dec 25, 2010 | 08:38 AM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

THE FIRST suspension mod on these cars, should be SFCs.

It is pointless to "mod" a car with a bunch of worn-out OE parts in the way. OE springs, shocks/struts, and bushings, are all CERTAIN to be shot in a car that old. So, the "zero-eth" "mod" should be, RENEW all the used-up stuff; choose springs and shocks/struts consistent with your intended use, replace all the rubber stuff, and go from there.

That said, a replacement torque arm accomplishes 2 things: it takes the front attachment point OFF OF the trans like James talked about, such that the car isn't trying to rip the trans mount in half every time you give it gas, like it does in the stock setup; and it takes a HUGE flexible thing out of the suspension system, thus eliminating something that stores and releases energy unpredictably. However, there are ALOT of other things that cause WORSE misbehavior than the TA does, which if left OE, pretty much prevent the TA from making much, if any, noticeable improvement.

IMO, assuming that the car is in good repair (all new springs & shocks/struts, front CA bushings, ball joints, steering parts, all new sway bar end links & bushings, steering gear tightened up, strut mounts if needed), the order I would THEN do rear suspension mods is:

1. SFCs (welded in)
2. LCARBs, set so the LCA is angled just slightly downward from the frame to the rear, maybe ½" or so;
3. LCAs (ANY are better than stock, which I can flex with my bare hands);
4. TIRES, which should be mounted on wider wheels than any of the skinny stock pizza-cutters that came on these cars, and sized accordingly;
5. TA
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Old Dec 25, 2010 | 09:57 AM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

i would put the Tq arm at the lower end of the list.. with a stock-ish lt1 your not making power to call it a 'need' IMO.. i mean every little thing helps i would replace the worn out suspension peices and go a little soft in the back with some stickier 245+ tires.. the list above sounds about right; after some stout performance parts (drivetrain & suspension) are thrown at it, if not done already
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Old Dec 27, 2010 | 03:10 PM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

Is attaching the torque arm to the x-member bad for street driving and potholes? Or does it only affect the feel of accelerating / braking? I have a UMI TQ arm that attaches to the tailshaft, but am wondering if that was a total waste of money and I should have gotten an adjustable x-member mounted one..
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Old Dec 27, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

Originally Posted by hellz_wings
Is attaching the torque arm to the x-member bad for street driving and potholes? Or does it only affect the feel of accelerating / braking? I have a UMI TQ arm that attaches to the tailshaft, but am wondering if that was a total waste of money and I should have gotten an adjustable x-member mounted one..
attaching it to the corssmember has no affect on potholes or drivability. If you want to take it off the trans, you can use on the relocation crossmembers that use the stock style torque arms.

if your not breaking trans mounts or the tail shaft of the trans, the stock style arm will work fine
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Old Dec 28, 2010 | 03:15 AM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

Originally Posted by hellz_wings
Is attaching the torque arm to the x-member bad for street driving and potholes? Or does it only affect the feel of accelerating / braking? I have a UMI TQ arm that attaches to the tailshaft, but am wondering if that was a total waste of money and I should have gotten an adjustable x-member mounted one..
That's EXACTLY why I said don't make the same mistake I did in my earlier post.....I too have a non-adjustable UMI TQ arm that bolts up to the stock location. Now that I have a blown 400 sbc with plenty of torque, I wish I would've gotten one that took the strain off my tranny tailshaft and on the crossmember instead.

At your current level though, you shouldn't have any issues but if you plan on hard launches, you might want to go with the conversion X-member...
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Old Dec 28, 2010 | 09:20 AM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

It makes you wonder why GM didn't make the TQ arm hooked up to the x-member in stock form.. But, yeah, I got the heavier UMI non-adjustable one just like that because I thought it was better because of the poly bushing and stronger steel.
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Old Dec 28, 2010 | 02:39 PM
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Re: Torque Arm worth the upgrade?

Originally Posted by hellz_wings
It makes you wonder why GM didn't make the TQ arm hooked up to the x-member in stock form.. But, yeah, I got the heavier UMI non-adjustable one just like that because I thought it was better because of the poly bushing and stronger steel.
OOps...I just discovered you weren't the OP...but the UMI TQ arm is def. stronger than the flimsy stock one...and twice as heavy. I;m getting one of these real soon..http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...qvck68utb6a7t4
EDIT: Just ordered mine!!

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