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Old Jul 17, 2021 | 12:54 PM
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Hybrid Front Suspension??

Why did GM opt for a hybrid front suspension consisting of a MacPherson strut and lower ball joints? It's much weaker than the setup used in the earlier gen Camaros and Fire Birds. If you want to install a heavier BB motor you have to beef up the front end first.
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Old Jul 17, 2021 | 01:45 PM
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

There are several reasons.
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  • That's not a "hybrid" of anything. It's a straight-up McP strut design, one of the 2 possible variations of it; the one it is, being the one with a 2-bolt control arm; the other being a 1-bolt CA and a 2nd link of some sort to triangulate it.
  • The car is considerably lighter than a 1st or 2nd gen. Doesn't need as much weight in the suspension parts.
  • The design they used has considerably less unsprung weight than the double CA design, therefore rides better while allowing for higher spring rates for handling.
  • The factory didn't put big blocks in these cars. To them, that was a complete non-issue.
  • There is no need to "beef up" the front end for a big block in any case. All that's needed in that area is stiffer springs.
  • This design has considerably fewer moving parts, therefore is MUCH cheeeeeeper to produce.

There are probably other reasons but those come right to the top of my head almost instantly.
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Old Jul 19, 2021 | 10:15 AM
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

I'm sure a cast iron BB 427 or 454 would tear up the OEM front end in a short time without any additional modifications or reinforcements.
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Old Jul 19, 2021 | 02:28 PM
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

Doubtful.

People used to put those in these cars pretty often, back in the day. Not so much anymore with the wide availability of LS variants that make the same or more power on less gas with less weight and fitment problems. I don't recall ever hearing about "tear up front end" from anyone. Lots of questions about what springs to use and not much else.

As a FYI, the front control arms are the same ones as were used in some other body styles that DID get much bigger and heavier motors than our cars.

Don't make up extra "problems" that don't exist.
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Old Jul 19, 2021 | 09:57 PM
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

Only adding about 150lbs with going from iron sbc to iron bbc.

GM put bbc engines in test mule 3rdgens for many years starting in at least 82.
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Old Feb 9, 2022 | 10:00 AM
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

Ok Yes my Buddy bought a '70 and a half SS camaro with came with a 396. He replaced it with a "Rat" 427BB, but it was a 2nd gen.
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

396 and 427 are the same motor, except the 427 has a .125" larger bore. Other than that, same same. Same stroke, same cam selection, same heads, same intake, same exhaust, SAME.

"Rat" was the common slang for a big block back in the 70s. Still somewhat is. The small block was "mouse" before that which is why the bigger one is "rat".
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Old Feb 9, 2022 | 08:35 PM
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Re: Hybrid Front Suspension??

Hell, GM still uses thirdgens for test mules. They were using one back in 19. Probably testing a crate motor. I guess GM likes testing different powertrains in em.
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