This is something completely off the wall and I was wondering if it is even close to being feasable. Any and everyone give my your opinion!

Ok, so I am sitting here one day trying to find headers for my L03 engine. I was thinking how annoying it would be to get regular headers w/o the AIR fittings and living with that blasted ses light. Then a thought hit me......why get rid of the AIR system, why not use it?

My idea is somewhat absurd but I think it could possibly work if done by anyone who is compitant in engines....(i.e. not me!)

Well here it goes. Instead of deleting the AIR injection system, why not use it on the intake manifold? Would it be possible to tap and drill the intake for the AIR tubes and just plug the holes in the exhaust manifolds, or just get headers w/o them. Would it not have a kind of supercharging affect since it is in essence forcing air into the manifold? Now I am not completely sure how the AIR injection system works, (by a long shot) but I think it just injects air into the exhaust manifolds to reduce carbon gases.....please do correct me if I am wrong. By rerouting the AIR lines and just putting one "air injector" per runner in the intake, could it not make power? And if so, would it not do so in the higher end since the engine is spinning faster and the compressor is belt driven? And couldn't the computer compensate for the added air?

This is just an off the wall idea.....Anyone who knows anything please give me your thoughts and opinions....just please don't shred me to pieces. After all I am just another third gen lover that has WAY to much time to think about making his car better....

It would be so awesome if this would actually work. GM might've actually give a hidden power source in our under powered (but reliable) TBI's!
Lc

 

When you remove the AIR you won't get any ses lights at all. That sounds like a bad idea to me because all you will be doing is putting extra air into the intake manifold and no extra fuel, also the distribution would be horrible.

 

Dang, guess not all new ideas are good ones. Oh well, just a thought Thanks!
Lc

 

I had that idea years ago.....
The pump doesn't put on the pressure needed for it to work.

 

Thats not stupid at all, awhile back there was a pic of a thirdgen with a gas powered leaf blower under the hood..........YEAH RIGHT LIKE THATS GONNA WORK!!!!!!.....but the AIR pump won't put out enough BOOST to do anygood.

 

Dang, guess not all ideas are new.....

 

lol - im sure somebody thought of it before i did...

 

doesn't the air pump only run the first few minutes of operation?

 

Nope, it runs the whole time, but the first few minutes it is directed into the manifolds, and once it heats up, the diverter sends it to the cat.

 

all the A.I.R. pump does is push extra air into your exaust to lower emmisons. if you think about it its really just a cover up but pretty clever though.

 

not exactly, the extra oxygen helps the cat burn of the unburt hydrocarbons it isn't really a cover up.

 

i also have headers without the airtubes and i have no lights!!!
plus there is not as much crap in the engine bay!!

 

ahh, thank you wise one.:hail:

 

thatz wize a%*

 

guess he was pissed he didnt know the answer...

 

I would seriously almost PAY to see that picture!!!

 

me too. although iv thought of similar stupid things, but would never voice them nor even attempt them!:nono:

 

Or post a picture of them...

 

So I was wrong it wasn't a thirdgen but a MUDSTAIN.....but heres the pic. Check out the power cord!!!!!!!!!!! Whats he gonna do go to the track with a 1/2 worth of extension cord..........don't think he would be smart enough to buy a power inverter.....

 

omfg! thats it, my day is shot to sh#t now, cause i know im gonna keep thinking of that insane load of crap.lol

 

omfg! thats it, my day is shot to sh#t now, cause i know im gonna keep thinking of that insane load of crap.lol

 

that setup has gotta be good for the 30psi mark...

lol

 

LOL! Good ol' Ford ingenuity......
I wanna see track times for that leaf blower!

 

I don't think Ford designed that. In fact, here lately I am liking what ford is doing with forced induction (way better then chevy...)

 

Ford has to to keep up with Chevy's n/a beasts. And would a dragstrip actually LET someone race with that leafblower under the hood? I'm just imagining how that idea came about...

"...man I really can't afford that supercharger, and a Ram-Air hood isn't cheap eather...but hey! I just remembered I own a leaf blower! MAN I'm a genious! If I stick that under the hood and throw it strait into the air cleaner it should ad 20-30hp!!..."

Bruce (90RS305)

 

Come on .......Ford's 390hp supercharged Mustange GT engine OR Chevy's 405hp n/a LS6?????? I think I have to agree with 90RS305 about the fact that Ford has to supercharge their ponies to run with us bow tie guys. The fact that Ford does offer a FACTORY supercharger is a major plus....(not sure if chevy does yet or not) but still.....do chevy's need them???!!?!?!
Just my $.02.....
LC

 

This is all I'm going to say: The Cobra is cheaper, almost as fast, easier to mod (I like to mod, and a cheap pulley seems like a good idea to me...). I don't care how a car makes its power, hell a s/c is a plus - its easier to mod.

Laters

 

Chevy already has 2 supercharged cars, the gtp and the new monte carlo ss, ofcourse those are both v6's. They are also coming out with a supercharged cavalier, which everyone knows is a 4 cylinder. It is always a plus when a car comes stock with forced induction, because like others have said, it is so easy to make them faster. That being said, GM without a doubt makes the best NA engines, including v8's. Just look at the LS1. NO FORD ENGINE CAN TOUCH ONE WITHOUT A POWER ADDER PERIOD! Now if GM would get on the bandwagon and start producing supercharged or turbocharged LS1's from the factory, there would be no comparison who would be the winner. GM all the way. It's all in what the engine was built for, and the 2003 cobra, which comes with 8.5:1 compression and forged internals, is an awesome platform to mod, but once again, when you compare apples to apples and oranged to oranges GM is superior.

 

i agree, except for this statement like you said in the drag forum, it doesnt matter how you get there. if FI is needed to keep up, so be it. like i said, thats even better - its easier to mod.

 

I agree. I'm still very eagerly awaiting GM's venture into the forced induction V8 market. Imagine the GN or TTA on steroids. Thats all I gotta say. Everyone knows what GM can do with forced induction on smaller motors, now it's time to see what they can bring to the plate with V8's, hehe. Eventually they will get there, hopefully sooner than later though. Although I am still a huge fan of the *** whoopin GM has given ford's forced induction cars NA, so even if they don't come out with some sort of power adder car, they will no doubt still be able to compete, and compete very well at that. Rumor is the C6 Z06 will have 500+ hp NA!!!!!!

 

That rumor about the 500+ is more than likely going to be true. I used to be a salesman at a Chevy dealership not too long ago (got to take a spin in the 2003 ZO6 and really open her up!! ) and I heard that too...

As far as forced induction with Chevy's higher model cars (like the corvette, for example) is there is one huge problem. Chevy will tack on a HUGE markup to the pricetag. The other salesman and I talked about it all the time because we had like 7 Corvettes on our lot and just drooled over them all the time. If Chevy decided to supercharge that thing and make it commercial, it would be virtually untouchable by the mustang... but the Corvette's target market just isn't ready to pay the extra money. I very well could be wrong though....

Bruce (90RS305)

 

Well isn't ford's supercharger the roots style? It looks kinda like it from what I have seen. I wonder what kind chevy would come out with for the LS engines....a 500 horsepower LS6, now that sounds like FUN!!!! Of course,my opinion still is that the LS6 and even LS1 on its worst day will hurt any Ford running with it....n/a or not.

I can understand how pricing would be an issue....and I will definitely pay homage to Ford's ability to make things in a decent price range. As far as modding goes....I guess you have to have the experience, time, desire, and ability to do so. All I need is the time!
Lc

 

i don't think the cost jump would be all that much to go to a mild supercharge LS engine.

the question is do you really want all the blue hairs driving vettes, to have THAT much more HP under them. some of them scare me as it is, i would trust them behind the wheel of a kia.

 

no doubt!

 

Im not out to stereotype the Vette drivers. Some are crappy some good. Hey, sounds like the general population to me...

I think the price jump would be a little more then most people would want to pay...
Most would see it as a high price jump just for more HP, which I think lots wouldnt like. My dad wants a vette and doesn't care a damn about HP and modding (i think the majority of vette buyers are like that).

 

how much do you think it would really cost GM to put an eaton on the LS1/6 engine, probably pocket change. at low boost levels they probably wouldn't have to make any changes to the engine. the only real additional cost, would be in R&D.

 

How much it cost GM and how much it cost you are two different things. Although related, I bet it would raise the price of the Corvette quite a bit. And like I said, most buyers prolly don't care that much about the power. Although I know quite a bit would...

 

they raise the HP all the time, Z06 went from 385 - 405 in one year, C6 is supposed to have 500, they HAVE to raise the HP to stay ahead of the game.

 

well, something tells me they arent going to do it in the near future. although i think it would be cool if they did i also think the price would go way up. remember price counts a lot. and the cobra is relatively cheap. the weekend is here...
laters
brady

 

Basically my argument. As the Corvette isn't the cheapest car on four wheels, it's also by far not the most expensive. The target market for the Corvette is middle-to-older age men that want power and luxury for getting to the tennis court and back. Occasionally a younger person gets a hold of a few $$ and THAT is where the HP/TQ is actually a selling point. Because of the power gains a supercharger would add to an already monster of a car, Chevy would tack on a hefty pricetag for it. They know that they wounldn't be paying much for a larger profit margin. But, goodbye target market. One of the reasons they havn't done it yet. I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to see them do it though.... Let me tell you I had a chance to drive a 2003 ZO6 and it had to be one of the funnest things I have ever done. I hit 4th gear once, on a 15 mile drive...

Bruce (90RS305)

 

Definitely have to side with you on this one...GM doesn't really like giving us what we want....hence the 50th anniversary vette. The thing came with an amazing........anniversary logo????
They should have supercharged that vette....just my opinion...to really honor the anniversary. Just think...a supercharged anniversary vette, with only that little anniversary logo to show what it MIGHT have under the hood....that would've been cool. But it never happened....guess we'll have to wait for the C6, not like I'll ever have one....But I am perfectly happy with my Camaro!
Lc

 

Lol, I know what you mean. Quite funny you say that, because one of the salesman on my lot used almost that EXACT same joke to talk a guy out of a 50th anniv. and go with a ZO6. "Well, yes, I agree, it is a really nice car concidering it is a 50th Anniversary edition, and the great thing about it is it comes FULLY equiped with this shiny.....50th Anniversary sticker!..." Needless to say the guy walked away with the keys to a shiny black ZO6. The other salesman and I about wet ourselves...

But I really love how they did the ZO6 for real. NO DIFFERENCE appearance wize all except for a lil' plate that sais '405 HP', and after you get spanked its just too late....

Bruce (90RS305)

 

But I really love how they did the ZO6 for real. NO DIFFERENCE appearance wize all except for a lil' plate that sais '405 HP', and after you get spanked its just too late....

Bruce (90RS305) [/B][/QUOTE]


Amen. Z06:hail: Of course.....third gen with LS6:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:
Lc

 

there is a difference appearance wize.. look at a Z06 and a Regular corvette from the side angle.. the rear trunk/glass is shorter and made like a conv. lift trunk in the Z06. plus it has rear black wheel vents in front of the rear wheels, speed grill up front, and is about 1" lower(due to shocks) than the standard. not to mention wheels. and of course.. the little tag.

but they did go into A LOT of wieght saving for the Z06 from the 2001-03. the 03's have wieght savings, like a lighter front windshield, the 03 Z06 wheels are each 13lbs lighter do to spun cast aluminum. the brake calipers are also lighter 1lb each.. ect.

they listed all the wight savings and differences in Z06's in the Aug or sept edition of Car and Driver mag.

 

Yeah, but didn't the "weight savings" add to the cost? I know that the titanium exhuast is like....700 if not more. I did know about those little rear brake coolers...but I never knew they were lower....My friend had an '03, bright red cop teaser. I got to ride with him once and he opened it up for me.....HOLY SH*T! I didn't think that thing would ever stop pulling!!!! Definitely got my attention and respect....now if only I could get my hands on a LS6, plant myself in the seat of my own car.....wishful thinking
LC

 

They do that for advertising mainly I think. That leads to sells. The actual power increase isn't for sales... Those old dudes (mostly) aren't going in there looking for a Cobra killer or a 500 HP beast or something that a $50 pulley will give them 50 more HP. They just want "cool". The Vette gives it to them. Corvettes turn heads...
I can't afford one, but if I could I would say, "F Chevy and their $50K Vette. Im gonna buy and build a Cobra." That is the opposite of your Corvette buyer though...

 

lol, the cobra is at a minimum $35,000. Not exactly cheap if you ask me, and a pulley cost just a little more than $50. Sounds like you need to sell your camaro and buy a mustang. The vette isn't only about hp either. You get a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, it weighs over 500 lbs less than a cobra, you get way better looks, and quality(Did you know they stopped production of the 2003 cobra shortly because they had reliability issues?) Stunning, since it's a Ford right? The vette to me is basically a $50,000 ferrari. Name one other car you can buy for $50k or less that can run 11's stock and will outhandle most exotics.

 

NOT the vette, LOL! It would be nice to have an 11 second production car....it would beat even the v-10 powered Viper. But sadly (or something like that) the z06 only runs a 12.6 on a good day. And I am using the term "only" very loosely...add one of those $50 pulleys and then maybe you'll see the 11 second 1/4 times! Of course that would be thinking like R*cers....ya know...cheap mods=MASSIVE power
Lc

 

Really???

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=646371

http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showf...rue#Post511194

http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showf...rue#Post159786

 

I know they have gone 11s stock, but come on...
We both know how rare that is. They are 12s cars. Yes a few people have gone 11s that doesn't mean every car at every track will. Although they are faster then 12.6s...
I do like the Mustang, if you made me spend all $50,000 oh my imaginery money on buying a car I would go Vette, but otherwise the Cobra is a steal. Everyone should admit that. As far as looks - that's all opinion. And I happen to prefer a 2003 Cobra look over a Corvette. I have read threads on other boards where people have traded in a Vette for a 03 Cobra (and they could afford the Vette). I'm just open to all cars, I guess some aren't which seems limiting because GM is not G0d on cars. Their quality doesn't exactly kick *** either you know (yes even the Vette).

Oh and 305RSlc: A cheap pulley WILL give the 2003 Cobra much more power. It's called boost.