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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 05:39 PM
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Car: 91 Formula, 89 IROC
Engine: LB9, LB9
Transmission: 700R4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: Posi 2.73, Posi 2.73
I am so tired of everyone saying LO3 is junk, less than $1000 can show lots of potential in these things.
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:33 PM
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hell u put a thousand dollars into any car its fast for a little while
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
I would actually bet I owned the most ABUSED L03 that survived past 200,000 miles. When I got it none of the plugs had electrodes left and 2 of them had no centers (these were misfiring HORRIBLY) The oil hadn't been changed in over 15,000 miles, and the lady I got it off of had stuck it in the snow and over revved it until it blew the radiator apart. I took her home, changed the oil, changed the exhaust (cat was a GONER nothing left inside) and put another 40,000 on that car all while outrunning both of the other L03 Camaro's in my home town by several car lengths. When I retired it it ran strong but had a leaking rear main seal. I really REALLY wish I had taken a picture of those valve covers you could literally see where the rockers had pushed sludge out of the way to operate NASTY!!! These motors are flat out tanks they can take the most evil abuse I've ever seen an engine endure. As for 1000 dollars to make an L03 fast, I could do it with about 350. A wet nitrous kit, and a good day of work. Not saying it would like it but considering the torture I've seen these things endure I wouldn't be surprised to see one live under juice for a LONG time... anyone care to test this theory
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
PS engine developed the leak at 211,634.5 and the VSS had been dead for a minute there
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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Car: 1992 rs
Engine: 305 tbi
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awsome you are my effing role model once i get my student loan check for this semester a wet kit is going on my L03 and seeing how long shell go 150 shot? or bigger?
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 04:25 AM
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Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
Hmm lets see here a 150 shot would put you at about 320hp and a TON of torque especially if you can let it go at a low rpm like... I don't know... the launch A 200 shot would put the car at 370hp and insane torque and I would imagine it would last a summer if you are careful with it. Of course this is all theoretical and knowing the reputation of these motors it will probably turn into a proverbial nitrous huffing bad penny that just refuses to go bad on you but I can't say I would complain
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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Car: 91 Formula, 89 IROC
Engine: LB9, LB9
Transmission: 700R4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: Posi 2.73, Posi 2.73
Hell if you threw a 75 shot on and called it a day, wonder how long the tanks would run.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 02:42 PM
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Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
A LONG time with a bottle heater or letting the bottle warm up between uses. Probably about 5 to 7 minutes of continuous use on a 10 pound bottle for a 75 shot. A 150 shot will run a bottle dry in about 2 minutes.
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:56 AM
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Car: 91 RS Camaro, 75 L82 Corvette
Engine: LO3, 383 Stroker
Transmission: 700R4, TH400
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 3.23 posi/LS1 discs, stock

Check out my Signature, I'll update the mileage every so often. I'm the 4th owner of this car so not sure if the engine is original. Looks it though. I just put the open element on it last week.
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 10:14 AM
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Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
As a side liner topic the RS body now has a 140,000 mile junkyard dog TPI in it and probably has 230,000 on the body total. Still has stock steering components, and still tracks straight. The TPI 350 has had a 150 shot sprayed to it at least 30 times so far and a leaner 125 shot sprayed to it a few times now as well. I wouldn't mind getting a 5 speed TBI car and just cruising it until it can't anymore, Indiana winters kind of prevent that though.
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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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Just bought my 89 saturday. Rolled over to 160,000 on the way home and runs great. This is my first time driving a TBI motor and I'm greatly impressed Going to mildly modify it down the road, but will stay my commuter for awhile. After I decide to retire it from daily duty, I'll get serious with it.

10/8/06--- 168,595
3/22/07--- 175,700
9/6/07--- 182,400
11/30/10 --- 190,300. Daily driven part-time in 2008/early 2009 (thanks to finicky fuel injection problems) before I decided to retire it. Now a project/backup car.
2/17/15 --- 197,110. Time keeps on slippin' for sure. Not much driving, but a lot of upgrades to the car over the last 3-4 years. Very glad I've held on to it.

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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 06:02 PM
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Just bought my 89 camaro rs off of an old man...98,xxx
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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Car: 91 camaro rs,92 camaro b4c,1983 cam
Engine: 305 tbi Soon To be 500hp 383,l98,ca
Transmission: 700r4,700r4,turbo 400
362000 and counting performer tbi intake edelbrock headers no cat rear disc conversion shift kit
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
Impressive hands down period!
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by helrazor
362000 and counting performer tbi intake edelbrock headers no cat rear disc conversion shift kit
Ummm...holy CRAP, man...is that miles or kilometers?

I'm at 175,000 miles right now and doing pretty well. Every now & then the ECM retards spark timing dramatically, but aside from that, pretty good, indeed...
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 06:03 PM
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Car: Badass 1991 Firebird
Engine: Screamin' 305 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73, 3.42's waiting to go in!
The Big Guy may rev his LO3 to the bejeezus belts, but my motor seldom sees more than 3000 rpm, 4000 max. However, many times, late for a job, my commute has required daily sprints at sustained 90-100 mph, not even breaking a sweat, plus she still handles like a go kart. In 30,000 miles of "spirited" driving, has needed only a battery, flexplate, and a rear main seal. Not bad for a 15yr old car that gets some speed put on it now and again.
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 08:23 PM
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Car: 91 firebird
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
350 TBI with 202,000 Miles.

New L05 short block at 30,000
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 02:00 AM
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Car: 91 firebird
Engine: 350 vortec heads
Transmission: t5
Axle/Gears: 3.08 open diff
my lo3 has 240,000 miles on it and it was used and abused since
the day it was born.its also been ran with mobile 1 synthetic since the day it was born.my throttle even got stuck at wot a few times.6000 rpm for about 5 seconds without a hick-up.the motor was still running great when i yanked it out about a 2 weeks ago.
i am currentle in the process of doing a vortec 350 conversion.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 06:04 AM
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Car: 89 RS
Engine: 305TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: IDK, 2.73?
Not as many as a few of you but mine has 206K+ and it still runs like a top. Typical smoke on startup (umbrella seals are my next fix for this car) but other than that it runs great. Will still chirp the tires going into 2nd (L03/700R4) at full throttle acceleration. Mostly I baby it as it's my daily driver (if I wanna really beat on something I take the 02 Z out).
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 03:38 PM
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Car: 91 camaro rs
Engine: 305 tbi
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i got about 170xxx on this. but the engine was rebuilt at about 150xxx


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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 11:09 AM
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Car: 92 Camaro RS
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Transmission: stock
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194,XXX original motor with minor mods. Third owner(I think) Still runs strong. Haven't taken it to the strip yet but a rough guess says it runs a mid-high 16 maybe a low 17.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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Car: 1987 Chevy truck
Engine: LO5
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210,000 on my 87 R10.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Car: '89 Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolts 2.73
I bought my Bird last november and it showed 317000 kms . It now has 323000 kms . These are really good engines , mines started leaking oil since I changed for synthetic oil (never again) and it has some minor problems but still runs good , idles smooth and it sees 120 mph practicly every day to tech school and 4500 rpms some times too ...


Rock on
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by -89ca/\/\aroRS-
Just bought my 89 camaro rs off of an old man...98,xxx
How much did you pay? What shape is it in?
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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How much did you pay? What shape is it in?
i paid 1200 everything is in great shape there is just 1 big dent and thats it
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: 305 TBI (L03)
Transmission: 700R4 (MD8)
Axle/Gears: 2.73 Open (GU2)
Originally Posted by golden
I bought my Bird last november and it showed 317000 kms . It now has 323000 kms . These are really good engines , mines started leaking oil since I changed for synthetic oil (never again) and it has some minor problems but still runs good , idles smooth and it sees 120 mph practicly every day to tech school and 4500 rpms some times too ...


Rock on
If it's stock, no it doesnt see 120 mph.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 11:38 PM
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Car: Red 91 RS Camaro
Engine: LO3 with Comp Cam
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 4th gen rear
Well some bad news for the 3rd geners. My camaro has brokin down again, this time it will be for good for a while. The tranny gave out at 130mph when I was flyin to work last week. I couldn't afford to fix it so I had to buy a newer car. 01 Grand Am GT ram air, Its not the camaro but its still GM. No hondas for me.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 11:51 PM
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LO3

200,588 and still running strong... well maybe not.
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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Car: '89 Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolts 2.73
Yes it does see 120 mph at 4600 5000 rpm and with a broken exhaust manifold gasket , no sh*t ...
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The only mod is a Mr. Gasket non drop base open air element .

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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks
Originally Posted by iggy1991
Well some bad news for the 3rd geners. My camaro has brokin down again, this time it will be for good for a while. The tranny gave out at 130mph when I was flyin to work last week.
Maybe that is a good thing.

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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:38 AM
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Car: 91 Formula, 89 IROC
Engine: LB9, LB9
Transmission: 700R4, 700R4
Axle/Gears: Posi 2.73, Posi 2.73
speed limiter should kick in at 116 mph i think.
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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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I have 168k on my 91 Firebird L03 with 5 speed. I replaced the clutch at 155k.
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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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I've got 140k miles on my 92 rs with the L03 and T5. No smoke and no mechanical problems what so ever.

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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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Car: 1992 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI V8
Transmission: 700R4
I have 111k on the Vert and it runs great! I guess mine is kind of low mileage compared to this crowd
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: 5 speed Manual
I notice a few of you high milers have 160 stats. so, maybe running it that cold isnt so bad for these engines.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Car: 91 Camaro RS Covertible
Engine: 383 stocker TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 posi
mine has 160,000 on the motor but the trans didn't make it, 3-4 in a 700r4 was built weak. My car is stilll running on the track and going somewhat strong. I'm looking forward to getting more power under my hood with a 383 or 406 sb. The legend lives on
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:06 PM
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155,xxx and still running strong.
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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I guess I'm on the low side with 49,xxx
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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Car: 91 RS Camaro, 75 L82 Corvette
Engine: LO3, 383 Stroker
Transmission: 700R4, TH400
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 3.23 posi/LS1 discs, stock
Originally Posted by 91black5spd
I guess I'm on the low side with 49,xxx
Why even post on " High mileage TBI's post up" thread

I wish my car had lows miles though!
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 12:15 AM
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Car: Badass 1991 Firebird
Engine: Screamin' 305 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73, 3.42's waiting to go in!
Forgot to mention my miles, over 178,000, will start up and drive stone cold, no smoke, no oil use, and still packs a punch! Just got the rear end completely rebuilt, bought 3.42's for it but they were for a class 3 carrier, and I have a class 2--but my 2.73 ring and pinion were fine according to my mechanic, so I've got the 2.73's back in. There is an adapter to use, if I want to use these gears later, but you have to order the part, so I just went with the old gears, quiet as a Lexus now except for my exhaust : ) You can also get 3.42's for a class 2 (3.08 and numerically lower) rear end, now I know.

I tend to think the tall rear gear contributes to the engine life, since my car is usually below 2000rpm, even on the freeway. Low temps help too, colder stat and fan switch. Runs better than when I got it, and it ran good before. Loves Valvoline Dura Blend synthetic blend, made the motor much quieter, I use Hyperlube Racing Formula as well, always have. Goes plenty fast too. For more speed, I've read over and over that a mild cam, head work, exhaust and throttle body work get good results, Car Craft got over 300hp and 400tq with bolt ons, probably more reliable than the NOS, plus you can do that too and go crazy.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Car: 89 camaro rs
Engine: 305 tbi
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hey thought i would chime in. auto with 124K im 2nd owner. got it with 106K all ive done is flowmaster, 'highflow' cat, air delete, open element, injector spacer, and chip. runs good. not disapointed for a 305.

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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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254,000 and counting. No mods yet except for a B&M shift kit for the 700R. Bought it used for $800 and hadn't had a problem except for the typical oil burn at start up or stuck in traffic. Just bought the valve seals and just waiting for time to put them in.

When it fnally blows up, I'll probably rebuild with a mild cam and see if I can go another 254,00 miles!
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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 02:52 AM
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250,624 AND STILL ROLLIN ON THE STOCK DRIVE TRAIN, 5 SPEED COULD USE A LITTLE FRESHIN UP BUT ITS STILL ALIVE AND KICKIN
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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From: Mountain City, TN
Car: 92 Camaro RS
Engine: 355 L98 Carb
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3.73 Auburn Posi
My 92 LO3

My name doesn't reflect what I currently have... I moved out to Cali last year and bought this 92 RS 5-spd.. Its the 'toilet bowl' injection as they all say and it had 248,+++ mileage on it when I bought it and it now has 254, + mileage on it and it is still running strong! I've done some mods to it -- Cold Air Intake, Strut tower brace, LCAs, poly bushings all the way around, panhard bar, other stuff...
I've not been the easiest on the engine neither... been through some ****, but as they go, its almost like a Timex.. takes a licking and keeps on ticking!
It was a one owner car and he religiously changed the oil every 3K miles... I've replaced the starter, the front A-arm bushings, ball joints, typical wear and tear items.... oh, and the distributor pick up as well...
I previously owned a 91 RS TBI.... These cars are durable in the engine department.. even though they may not be all that powerful like the TPI cars, they still last one heckuva long time...
Anyways I'll shut up now and post this........ my 2 cents worth...
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 01:31 AM
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My everyday driver is a 91 RS bought it with 87,000 now has 94,400 no complaints just pings when it gets hot. Put a 160 thermostat still jumps up to 210 when standing still for awhile. Cab hit me drivers door, got another one. Just need to get weather stripping and electronics swicthed over, then painted bright aqua. Otherwise fun car. I use high mileage castro oil with a quart of lucas additive. Works great smooth running.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 95z28bill
Put a 160 thermostat still jumps up to 210 when standing still for awhile.
You gotta change the fan switch so the fans will kick on earlier if you dont want it to get hot when standing still. The thermostat wont matter if no air is going through the radiator.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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I officially hit 178,000 miles as of this afternoon And my baby is STILL kickin!
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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Car: 1991 Trans Am Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3:08
I cant remember what I posted last but here is my new best time in my 92 305...T-5...I'm 102...at our 1/8 mile track here 500 is a perfect reaction time...this was after I removed my ehhaust at cat and took my air cleaner off....oh mine has about 220,000 miles on it now....I'm thinking more and more these engines are bulletproof...lol

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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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From: Sarasota FL
Car: 99 WS6 / 00 SS / 11 CTS-V / 13 300
Engine: LS1 / LS1 / LSA / 5.7 Hemi
Transmission: 4L60E / T-56 / 6L80E / W5A80
Axle/Gears: 3.23 / 3.42 Auburn / 3.23 / 2.62
Just passed 110k miles on my RS I bought it in June with 107k. The previous owner had put less than 3,000 miles on it in 4 years!!! I looked at the oil change sticker, and saw it wasn't overdue on mileage, but that the oil was due 4 years ago!

I still wish it had lower miles, but I bought this car as a summer fun car to keep miles off my Z (I have a demo for a daily driver)...I love my Z, but hope it never passes 80k someday
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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From: MN
Car: 1992 25th anniversary camaro
Engine: 406
Transmission: t56
Axle/Gears: 410s
my 1993 k5 blazer has 250,000 and still tickin
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