LO3 builed up, for under $500 - making 245+HP?
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Car: '90 RS
Engine: 377 LSX
Transmission: Magnum T56
Originally posted by Poncho Villa
That is so cool. Now I know what motor I want to get---didn't know the possibilities for 350 TBI before finding this thread. I'm stoked! Found a couple of engine builders that make high performance motors for use with TBI in Firebirds and Camaros--and they make 300+hp, and 365lbft or so of torque, are computer compatible, and made with high end parts. Check out this page:
http://search.ebay.com/350-TBI-engin...QsosortorderZ1
I thought I was going to have to drop in a TPI motor to get that kind of power. Will be a year or so at least, because my current motor runs great.
Will the T56 six speed from fourth gen cars fit a 350 crate motor?
Poncho
91 Firebird 305 TBI, open air element, flowmaster catback system, custom paint and rims, GTA ground effects
That is so cool. Now I know what motor I want to get---didn't know the possibilities for 350 TBI before finding this thread. I'm stoked! Found a couple of engine builders that make high performance motors for use with TBI in Firebirds and Camaros--and they make 300+hp, and 365lbft or so of torque, are computer compatible, and made with high end parts. Check out this page:
http://search.ebay.com/350-TBI-engin...QsosortorderZ1
I thought I was going to have to drop in a TPI motor to get that kind of power. Will be a year or so at least, because my current motor runs great.
Will the T56 six speed from fourth gen cars fit a 350 crate motor?
Poncho
91 Firebird 305 TBI, open air element, flowmaster catback system, custom paint and rims, GTA ground effects
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Car: 1983 G20 Van
Engine: 305 4bbl
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Originally posted by ssxmac
If headers arent included in your $625 then i can guarantee its going to be really really hard to get 245 out of the 305. the stock exhaust is just horrible, my friends 2.5L contour has 2 1/4" piping.
-chuck
If headers arent included in your $625 then i can guarantee its going to be really really hard to get 245 out of the 305. the stock exhaust is just horrible, my friends 2.5L contour has 2 1/4" piping.
-chuck
I am swapping from edelbrock 600 cfm to a TBI setup off of a 350 as soon as I graduate on saturday. I will do it next week, when my parents go on vacation and I have an extra vehicle to drive. I wonder if my power will stay the same or go up. The TBI intake llooks to be a decent piece. You can see from one side to the other. I am going to port match them and elongate the bolt holes. The intake looks to be a highrise but with fairly small ports. I have a neighbor that has a bridgeport so I am going to open up the throttle body holes to 2" so I can step up to a Holley TBI unit someday. I am using a "747 ecm too.
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i doubt you are making that much hp, how did you come up with those numbers. Those are better numbers than an LT1. With that much power you should be in the low 13s, not low 15s.
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
90mph traps roughly 190-210 RWHP
btw, if you are realy making 250hp, what do you think you COULD make with headers.
btw, if you are realy making 250hp, what do you think you COULD make with headers.
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A chassis dyno doesn't lie.
Notice what it is in a 4,500 lbs brick, if it was in a F-body it would be in the 13s.
I would have headers if I could find smog legal ones for this application.
Notice what it is in a 4,500 lbs brick, if it was in a F-body it would be in the 13s.
I would have headers if I could find smog legal ones for this application.
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From: Portland, OR www.cascadecrew.org
Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
sorry, i didn't notice it was in a van.
but you are alos on a 350, not a 305, so your power numbers are not a good indicator, 250 hp is not exactly a milestone with a tree-fiddy.
but you are alos on a 350, not a 305, so your power numbers are not a good indicator, 250 hp is not exactly a milestone with a tree-fiddy.
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Car: 1983 G20 Van
Engine: 305 4bbl
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Nope the van has a 305 in it not a 350. It came from Gm with a 175 hp 9.2:1 LE9 305 4 bbl. Here is the HP calculation for 4,500 lbs.
Simple Horsepower Calculations
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Using the ET method, I come up with 248 horsepower
Using the Speed method, I come up with 256 horsepower
Here is that sight for everyone.
http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm
Simple Horsepower Calculations
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Using the ET method, I come up with 248 horsepower
Using the Speed method, I come up with 256 horsepower
Here is that sight for everyone.
http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm
Last edited by Fast305; May 24, 2004 at 11:45 AM.
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what mods are you running to achieve 250 HP. Basically you are saying that you have gained 100HP over what your crate engine put of in stock form.
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Car: 89 RS
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first off you have duals, which means you arent running our ****ty y-pipe which is half of our exhausts problem. Second I'm not familiar with your manifolds, they could very well be different than the lo3's seeing as you have a le9 was it? and third, good job getting 250 hp out of a 305, thats my goal after my cam, heads, and intake swap this winter.
-chuck
-chuck
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Get an open element and a full 3" catback exhaust or 3" all the way with high flow cat and headers if you want to spend that much. That would really wake up the engine, believe me.
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With Ebay, anything is possible.
But if you're paying standard, new price, then I don't see it happening.
DISCLAIMER - I didn't read this whole thread.
But if you're paying standard, new price, then I don't see it happening.DISCLAIMER - I didn't read this whole thread.
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Car: Badass 1991 Firebird
Engine: Screamin' 305 TBI
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Axle/Gears: 2.73, 3.42's waiting to go in!
Originally posted by NEEDforSPEED
i think all wait, and save up for a built 350...
anything that i can do now to get power....
heres how it sits as of now :lala:
i think all wait, and save up for a built 350...
anything that i can do now to get power....
heres how it sits as of now :lala:
Also, Slick 50 does wonders, I'm convinced, and I know another guy with a high mileage Bird that runs like new thanks to PTFE. K&N makes a good oversize oil filter too. Slap on a Ram Air or Cowl Induction hood, or make your own scoop with a modified cat litterbox, and, with the new intake, you have just gotten at least 15hp over stock. Plus a burly intake sound.
Forgive me if you know this already. Trust me though, your open air element will have you smiling and your motor screamin'.
See pic of another TBI engine bay, not mine, although mine looks similar.
Also, Berryman's Fuel Injector Cleaner is AWESOME stuff. Slick 50 too, and Castrol GTX 20/50, you will feel the Power!
Then, ya, getya a nice 350 TBI crate motor down the road instead of a rebuild, or follow the messiah's on this site who can get you 300+hp on your 305. Happy motoring!
A stock 305TBI can beat more than half the cars on the road today.
I would give it a thorough tuneup. Have someone rebuild (or clean) the TBI, change out all the fluids, etc. Because you may run into costly problems after you add peformance parts.
I would like to put a TPI-style snorkel setup on the TBI.
EDIT: For now, I put my stock snorkel underneath the bumper.
I would give it a thorough tuneup. Have someone rebuild (or clean) the TBI, change out all the fluids, etc. Because you may run into costly problems after you add peformance parts.
I would like to put a TPI-style snorkel setup on the TBI.
EDIT: For now, I put my stock snorkel underneath the bumper.
Last edited by Akshay; May 27, 2004 at 03:01 AM.
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Akshay, any pics of what that snorkel setup looks like?
And what do you guys think of the Edelbrock air cleaner I have? I had to use a wingnut up through the center of it, but it sounds pretty ***, and I seem to get better response. I also bored one of the holes in the bottom to accept me air temp sensor. Oh yeah, it has a slight raise to it, so all my linkage clears too
And what do you guys think of the Edelbrock air cleaner I have? I had to use a wingnut up through the center of it, but it sounds pretty ***, and I seem to get better response. I also bored one of the holes in the bottom to accept me air temp sensor. Oh yeah, it has a slight raise to it, so all my linkage clears too
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i have never been impressed with those style air cleaners myself. to many stories of them catching on fire or being sucked into the intake.
here is what i run.
here is what i run.
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Cool, Dewey.
I would eventually like to setup a good looking cold air setup. I think it would sound probably just as nice, but with cooler air.
I would eventually like to setup a good looking cold air setup. I think it would sound probably just as nice, but with cooler air.
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
Too hard to tell. Everyones heads and cam LO3's end up making different numbers based on how well they tune and such.
Too hard to tell. Everyones heads and cam LO3's end up making different numbers based on how well they tune and such.
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Originally posted by jconrad
Cool, Dewey.
I would eventually like to setup a good looking cold air setup. I think it would sound probably just as nice, but with cooler air.
Cool, Dewey.
I would eventually like to setup a good looking cold air setup. I think it would sound probably just as nice, but with cooler air.
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there is that tuning word again.
I've been reading around these boards a while now and tuning comes up with just about every thread. It really is the key to getting a good TBI system running. Spend $200 on that.
-chuck
I've been reading around these boards a while now and tuning comes up with just about every thread. It really is the key to getting a good TBI system running. Spend $200 on that.
-chuck
Quote: thats my goal after my cam, heads, and intake swap this winter.
That will change the VE of the car and make tuning mandatory. i think tuning will cost you a bit more than $200. IMHO.
That will change the VE of the car and make tuning mandatory. i think tuning will cost you a bit more than $200. IMHO.
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