well guys this is the second time i posted something like this but i havent had n e replies. I want a stainless steel, dual outlet full cat back exahaust. I want a borla but they only offer muffler and tailpipes. SLP would be good but i hate that driver side outlet. So does n e one know a good system for my car??

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red extior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

future mods Borla exahaust maybe???

 

borla has a cat back. its adjustable like the 4th gen one too but it doesnt come with the nice tips. why you want stainless steel? roads get salty? my exaust is in my sig. it looks really trick. a cool eaust is Maganflow too. www.magnaflow.com I think they have stailess steel too. when I finish my car I want one of those cat backs. I have 2 friends that have the rear section(stock Z28 intermediate pipe is already 2.75" so they didn't change those yet) one is a '95z28 and the other is '99z28
check it out:

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

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[This message has been edited by Tas (edited October 30, 2000).]

 

well the only reason i want stainless stell is bragging wrights really. My car has never sen snow or salt so thats no issue for me. That one below ur post is sweet. Do they have one that would fit my car? I really like the tips......Thanx 4 the reply

 

I think they do. they have a list of nationwide distributers on the website.

 

ya i was just lookin at the site, They do have one for 83 to 92 firebirds but it says for 5.7, i didnt see it for 5.0 ...are they the same? would 5.7 fit a 5.0?

 

the connection at the cat might be different.

 

Depends on if its for a dual cat or single cat. Otherwise, they're the same.

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1991 Camaro Z28
5.7L 5-Speed (originally 305)
13.25 @ 107.18 MPH
Southern California
Member: SoCal 3rd Gen F-Bodies
Webmaster: SoCal F-Bodies
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so other than cat it should be identical?

 

Go with borla you wont be dissapointed.

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The borla cat back for 3rdgens is not as complete because it doesn't come with their famous intercooled tips. Also I've read posts consierning their fit and finish. Maybe since its been in produciton for a while those issues have been resolved.

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited November 01, 2000).]

 

tas how is it half assed ? its basicly a straight thou 3"stainless pipe with adusters for sound and power

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1991 Formula WS6 305 TBI
K&N 14x3" Open air supercharger accel- 8.8's,coil,cap,rotor,module.
poly's here and there.
245/50h16 255/50zr16
catco cat 3"
Borla 3" cat back
more to come

 

Compared to the 4thgen version. its half assed. it has no intercooled tips, the left side is a single 3" pipe insted of dual 2.5" pipes. it has a single 3"in/out muffler compared to single in 3" dual 2.5" out that the 4th gen version has.

 

oh sorry i thought we was talking about 3rd gen exhaust?so if it dosnt have the "tips"it just wont do?and its better to reduce a 3" down to 2.5" i dont get it.

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1991 Formula WS6 305 TBI
K&N 14x3" Open air supercharger accel- 8.8's,coil,cap,rotor,module.
poly's here and there.
245/50h16 255/50zr16
catco cat 3"
Borla 3" cat back
more to come

 

Anyone know if the Magna Flow system is distributed in canada at all?

It looks pretty cool to me and the dealer directory thingy isnt working!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

i wantd a borla but they only offer the muffler and tail pipes. I thought they where dual outlet...arent they? I also dont think borla has a system with the intermediate pipe.

 

well for me, the 4h gen version Borla cat back is so much cooler and complete, I wouldn't spend the cash on the 3rdgen catback. There ARE other version that DO have the intercooled tips but they are not catbacks. They are rear section kits that just replace the muffler and tailpipes so if you want a 3" pipe it will be another $100 and it won't even be stainless steel for that money.

And Redbird, I said the 4th gen version muffler goes from single 3" to DUAL 2.5" which looks a lot cooler too and should be like a megaphone by going from less square area to more.

 

i just ordered a Hooker Cat-back with the Aero Chamber muffler from www.jegs.com for $199 . All ive heard is good things about it. Like good sound and it proves to have more Torque then a straight 2 1/2" pipe. i should be getting it in a 2-3 days. Hope this helps

RED82TA5.7L

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1982 Pontiac Trans Am
Cross-Fire Injected 5.7l V8
Eldebrock Headers, 1 stupid Glasspack right after the cat and dumps out before the rear axle.
Mods: 1.6 Proform Roller Rockers, electric fan.

Future mods: X-Ram( Aftermarket Cross-Fire Injection Manifold that proves to have as much power as TPI www.x-ram.com )
Cross-Fire Injection after market chip that says that it will proform like 90's injections.. http://www.turbocity.com/CorvetteCro...ECMUpgrade.htm
Hooker Cat-back system

 

oh and it has the 3" I pipe

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1982 Pontiac Trans Am
Cross-Fire Injected 5.7l V8
Eldebrock Headers, 1 stupid Glasspack right after the cat and dumps out before the rear axle.
Mods: 1.6 Proform Roller Rockers, electric fan.

Future mods: X-Ram( Aftermarket Cross-Fire Injection Manifold that proves to have as much power as TPI www.x-ram.com )
Cross-Fire Injection after market chip that says that it will proform like 90's injections.. http://www.turbocity.com/CorvetteCro...ECMUpgrade.htm
Hooker Cat-back system

 

Hey Mike, why don't u just have a custom 3" exaust made? Then get a muffler that has a 3" inlet and whatever outlet you need for your tips you could buy from a part store. Seems like all these people are talking about it coming down to 2.5" here and there on the exaust. Just have a muffler shop make you a custom 3" exaust. That way u know its 3" from pipe to pipe. Thats what I got and it was cheaper then buying the brand name. I don't know what a muffler shop around u would charge. I don't know, its just a suggestion. I really like my exaust though.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI (ZZ4 summer of "01")
ASCD Ram Air Hood-3" custom exaust-Flowmaster 80 Series-No Cat-Edelbrock TES Headers (coated)-March Pulleys-TBI Spacer-K&N Open ELement-TransGo Shift Kit-B&M Supercooler 28,000 GVW-Hypertech Thermomaster-160 Stat-3:42 GM Gears-Auburn Posi Unit-Edlebrock Strut Tower Brace-MSD Superconducters-Accel Cap & Rotor
-Rapidfire Plugs-265/50/R15 Tires-Emmison's all Gone

http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html

 

thats starting to be the way ii am looking at it eric. I was just gonna have the oem replacement from a shop but have them do it in 3" pipe. I ll probably get an slp muffler if i go that way....

 

ok now does borla offer a full cat back for 3rd gens or not?

I also heard good things about hooker

 

if you go with your local shop, you dont get mandrel bends

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 280 grind. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, ****ty stock converter
13.24@104

 

Go with the hooker aerochamber catback from jegs, you won't be dissapointed. Personally, i like the sound of them better than borla.

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Mods:Hooker Aerochamber 3" exhaust, gutted kitty,
March 2 piece underdrive pullies, smog pump gone,;these two made a very noticable difference.
14x4 K&N open air element filter-the best mod so far
Eibach springs with KYB's all around.
Appearance: Harwood cowl hood, Z-28 wing, painted black(7/20/00)-original color was light blue
*All these mods were made this year
Stock Options:117,000 miles on motor, 5spd, TBI, 305, T-tops
Run a best of 16.7 @85mph with traction problem. Have to try again sometime.

 

let me put it this way, borla+open plate+cat eliminator pipe= about 15 horse at the wheels and one hell of a loud and and distinct note on the power but not very loud at idle.

lata
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.390 @ 94.99mph
Edlebrock TES Headers, Cat Eliminator Pipe, Borla Adjustable Cat Back,Marche Pulleys, HyperTech Chip,Transgo Shift Kit,B&M Convertor(2000stall), 36mm Front 25mm Rear Sway Bars, Eibach Pro Kit Springs, Bilstein Shocks and Struts, Steve Spohn Rear Rig( all rod ends), Poly Front Bushings, Baer Track Kit Front Brakes W/ Baer Disc Rears, 17x9 4th Gen SS Wheels, Ported TB, Edlebrock Performer TBI Intake, Performer Heads, 1.6 Roller Tipped Rockers

 

1. Maganflow is straight through like Borla.
2. They both sound awesome
3. Eric and Redbird seem to be one and the same because they don't see that DUAL 2.5" has more area than single 3"
4. MOST local shops do not do mandrel bends but if you want 3" intermediate pipe they USUALLY buy it from one of the cat back manufactures like Dynomax or Magnaflow(my local shop said a 3" Magnaflow intermediate pipe from the cat to my Flowmaster would be $100 installed)
5. umm.. I think thats it...

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited October 31, 2000).]

 

Not true Tas, for me they had a machine that would bend the pipe to what they needed it to bend to. And I thought it was really tuff getting true duals on our type of fbodies? I think I have heard of some people who have actually done it but didn't they have to jack the back of the car up a little bit so the driver side pipe wouldn't scrap the ground? I can't remember, someone help me out with this.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI (ZZ4 summer of "01")
ASCD Ram Air Hood-3" custom exaust-Flowmaster 80 Series-No Cat-Edelbrock TES Headers (coated)-March Pulleys-TBI Spacer-K&N Open ELement-TransGo Shift Kit-B&M Supercooler 28,000 GVW-Hypertech Thermomaster-160 Stat-3:42 GM Gears-Auburn Posi Unit-Edlebrock Strut Tower Brace-MSD Superconducters-Accel Cap & Rotor
-Rapidfire Plugs-265/50/R15 Tires-Emmison's all Gone

http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html

 

Please everyone read things CAREFULLY before you reply. All this miscomunication is very agrivating for everyone involved especially me as I feel like people are putting words in my mouth. thank you.

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited November 01, 2000).]

 

i never said n e thing about true duals either. I would never do such a thing. My father (a long time ago) spent thousands going from muffler shop to muffler shop trying to get a true dual that fit his 82 ta. It wouldnt happen. It always hit the floor board constant scrapeing against the ground. Needless to say it sounded sweet but it was rigged up and the farthest thing from origional. I just want a top name cat back made from stainless steel thats an OEM replacement. Now back to my origional question....does borla offer a full cat back for my car with dual out lets??


BTW thanx 4 all the replies

 

for dual cats? I don't know. Dual rear exit catback? yes.

this is the 4th gen version. The 3rd gen version doesn't have the intercooled tips. Also it does not have those dual 2.5" pipe on the left side. Insted it has a single 3"pipe splitting into 2 tips at the end. kind of like how it looks on the right side of the pic.


[This message has been edited by Tas (edited October 31, 2000).]

 

I did strait duel pipes on my red 92 Firebird. Sounds just like a 4thgen with brola. Costs less, sounds same. Email me and Ill send a pic. of it. Zarb@home.com

[This message has been edited by Zar (edited October 31, 2000).]

 

ok so the borla cat back does come with the intermediate pipe right? the only ones i saw are the ones in the summit catalog that only offer muffler and tail pipes. I see alot of guys that are running flowmaster on thier third and 4th gens. Do they offer a dual exiting system? If so how much?

 

I just checked out the new GMHTP at 7-11 and the 4th gen system uses a 3" in/out muffler now. no more dual 2.5" on the left. the older Borla 3rdgen systms were without the intemediate pipe. this adjustable one is the newest and does have it. The single exit Flowmaster catbacks are cheap($275?). the dual ones are supposed to be expensive($350). I could be wrong about the prices but they should be ball park. The only reason I got one is that I woke up one day and wanted it done. no waiting. no catlogs 6-8 weeks. I wanted it that day. so I took the muffler and tailpipes from my friends '99z28 that he gave me and off I went. I really didn't want flowmaster because I wanted something different. oh well. all done now. no complaints.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

Super GRK_Taz World
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz
ICQ 82881207

 

If you want a cheap cat-back (pricewise) get the Hooker Cat-back from www.jegs.com . i got mine for $199. it comes with a duel outlet Aero Chamber Muffler. and it also comes with a 3" Intemediate pipe. And they also say it has more torque then a 2 1/2" straight pipe. some people also say it sounds very good too. if you want Duel outlet but dont have much money to spend... Get the Hooker

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1982 Pontiac Trans Am
Cross-Fire Injected 5.7l V8
Eldebrock Headers, 1 stupid Glasspack right after the cat and dumps out before the rear axle.
Mods: 1.6 Proform Roller Rockers, electric fan.

Future mods: X-Ram( Aftermarket Cross-Fire Injection Manifold that proves to have as much power as TPI www.x-ram.com )
Cross-Fire Injection after market chip that says that it will proform like 90's injections.. http://www.turbocity.com/CorvetteCro...ECMUpgrade.htm
Hooker Cat-back system

 

oh sorry. i just read the Stainless Steel part. Hooker is Aluminized 16 guage Steel. sorry

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1982 Pontiac Trans Am
Cross-Fire Injected 5.7l V8
Eldebrock Headers, 1 stupid Glasspack right after the cat and dumps out before the rear axle.
Mods: 1.6 Proform Roller Rockers, electric fan.

Future mods: X-Ram( Aftermarket Cross-Fire Injection Manifold that proves to have as much power as TPI www.x-ram.com )
Cross-Fire Injection after market chip that says that it will proform like 90's injections.. http://www.turbocity.com/CorvetteCro...ECMUpgrade.htm
Hooker Cat-back system

 

hooker sounds pretty nice from what i have heard. I am gonna check the web site now. I am also gonna call a local speed shop and find out price and availability of flowmaster, borla and hooker.

 

Tas, lay off my f_cking back. Just trying to help the guy. I didn't REALIZE that you were using words like USUALLY and MOST. LoL. Sorry for MISUNDERSTANDING your post.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI (ZZ4 summer of "01")
ASCD Ram Air Hood-3" custom exaust-Flowmaster 80 Series-No Cat-Edelbrock TES Headers (coated)-March Pulleys-TBI Spacer-K&N Open ELement-TransGo Shift Kit-B&M Supercooler 28,000 GVW-Hypertech Thermomaster-160 Stat-3:42 GM Gears-Auburn Posi Unit-Edlebrock Strut Tower Brace-MSD Superconducters-Accel Cap & Rotor
-Rapidfire Plugs-265/50/R15 Tires-Emmison's all Gone

http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited November 01, 2000).]

 

ok here here goes nothing.
A 3rd gen borla exhaust system.
cat back kind of. its comes with 3 different size front pipes (3",2.5",2.25")all inlets, 3" outlets. Because there are to many variations that come out for third gens(single cat duels ect)from there its all 3" back with 3" outlets both sides sort of,drivers side 3" out into deul tips ,passenger side is really a staight thru pipe dose not come out of the muffler.with 4 different size plates ,from open pipe down to complete block off.
the only down side is you have to come up with a way (or pipe )to connect it to the converter.
what i did was take one of the extra pipes went down to local race shop they bent it for me 45'angle.hooked it up to my 3"catco cat done deal

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1991 Formula WS6 305 TBI
K&N 14x3" Open air supercharger accel- 8.8's,coil,cap,rotor,module.
poly's here and there.
245/50h16 255/50zr16
catco cat 3"
Borla 3" cat back
more to come

 

ok how would a 3 inch intermediate pipe line up with the factory cat? i want the flowmaster crossflow dual out let system and i thought it was a 3 inch intermediate so i need to know how it fits the cat. thanx