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Why doesn't my L-98 run with 0 degrees timing

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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Engine: L-98 with LO-3 induction. 350 CFI
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Why doesn't my L-98 run with 0 degrees timing

bone stock L98 with LO-3 induction & electronics.

First of all I understand the correct way of setting the timing on this combination. To get through a smog test with this in my 82 trans am timing must be set at 6 degrees + or - 3 degrees This is due to the smog tech's timing requirement for what my car had originally which was a LG-4. keep in mind this car never saw a referee and this was passed of as the original LG-4.

OK so I try to set my timing back to what my manual says 0 degrees and this motor won't even run even close to good, it more or less wants to just die LOL. And when you connect the est wire after being at 0 degrees car has no power but does idle pretty good. I've tried mediums between 0 and 3 degrees but it doesn't seem to like those either. Over 6 degrees and it's hard to start.

Are there any downfalls to just staying at 6 degrees such as fuel economy etc. but more importantly why won't this one run at 0 degrees like a LO-3 does ?
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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Should be fine with 6 deg of advance. It wont run because its a different motor, with different needs, so run with the advance that works the best.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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Yeah, no way that thing is going to run (or at be driveable) on the stock L03 ECM. TBI is very sensitive to the PROM tune. If this is a permanent solution you should learn to tune that thing and have yourself a nice runner. If its only temporary, well then, TBI may not have been the best choice
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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Car: 1982 Trans Am & 1982 Corvette
Engine: L-98 with LO-3 induction. 350 CFI
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Axle/Gears: 373's in T/A .. vette unknown
TBI is going to be permanant on the car. I have two 350 tbi proms that I'm going to try in a few days. As for driveability it does pretty good the way it is just lacks power a l-98 should have is all. however don't think of it as a dog either. I'm only interested in the car having smooth acceleration and excellent idling. Performance is on the lower priority list since the car is never raced, I choose this combination as a better alternative to the cars LG-4. I think just the way it is should have at the minimun 40-50 more horsepower then the 305.

I would like to get a better manifold for it though. I'm fairly certain it's not getting the needed air supply currently I have the stock LG-4 air cleaner with functional hood scoop.

it's exhaust is all TPI 350 stuff which I know is restrictive too but far better then the LG-4 system.

short block is a 1990 corvette motor with 083 heads
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jproz1167
TBI is going to be permanant on the car. I have two 350 tbi proms that I'm going to try in a few days. As for driveability it does pretty good the way it is just lacks power a l-98 should have is all. however don't think of it as a dog either. I'm only interested in the car having smooth acceleration and excellent idling. Performance is on the lower priority list since the car is never raced, I choose this combination as a better alternative to the cars LG-4. I think just the way it is should have at the minimun 40-50 more horsepower then the 305.

I would like to get a better manifold for it though. I'm fairly certain it's not getting the needed air supply currently I have the stock LG-4 air cleaner with functional hood scoop.

it's exhaust is all TPI 350 stuff which I know is restrictive too but far better then the LG-4 system.
I hear that

DIY tuning is the way to go.

You need 61 lb/hr injectors at 15 psi as a minimum

The non swirlport heads will like about 6-8* more timing than the swirl ports do. Maybe not at idle, but elsewhere. Keep in mind the L03/L05 advance curve is very delayed and slow compared to the L98s.
short block is a 1990 corvette motor with 083 heads.

The L98 stuff IS better, but it is still like breathing through a straw.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 02:02 PM
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I would think this advance curve is a issue with my electronics more then fuel. I do have a TPI fuel pump in the car and the injectors are producing a very nice "cone" spray. but when under acceleration it's like the engines timing is lagging bad. no codes are ever present either. I run the plugs at.035 gap not sure if thats a issue either.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jproz1167
I would think this advance curve is a issue with my electronics more then fuel. I do have a TPI fuel pump in the car and the injectors are producing a very nice "cone" spray. but when under acceleration it's like the engines timing is lagging bad. no codes are ever present either. I run the plugs at.035 gap not sure if thats a issue either.
That is due to the stock TBI advance curve in the ECM. It is very lame.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 11:48 PM
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If TBI is permanent I would invest in an EBL set-up and some chip burning equipment. With the proper tune and maybe a couple other things (like the right injectors, fuel pump, correct fuel pressure) you should be right where a stock L98 would be. TBI when done right should pull to a higher RPM than TPI.
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