There are too many people telling me to do different things to my car to get it to run mid to low 14's. Should I just give up and just wait for my next car to make it fast. Not 1 person has told me a solution for me. ALL I WANNA DO IS RUN A 14.5!! thats all. Please HELP!!

 

start off with a full exhaust(headers to mufflers), then get open elment and do free TBI mods to free upsome more air coming in. after that get some 3.73's and a posi. Intake manifold wouldnt hurt to have and after that get some better heads and a slighty bigger cam. you should either be at a 14.5 or better after this. It is a pretty expenise recipe but there is an old saying that i always hear. How fast can you afford to go?

 

it wouldn't take that much stuff to get into the 14's. really just the posi and gears, the ultimate tbi mods, and a y-pipe back exhaust will get the job done very nicely. simple things are sometimes the most effective, so don't forget a good tune up.

lata
tim

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I don't agree with that NJ. U need more than that to get into 14's. Most LO3's are not as fast as ur was stock for some reason.

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Eric Natzke
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ttt

 

mine only went 15.9's stock at under 85mph. knowing what i have learned by trial and error i intend to prove that in can be done very easily with the right plan, since the planning is the key to any success.
my friend randy, blackbird305, is going to be headed to the track on saturday for the first time with very little done to his car.
he can post his mods and you guys can say what you think it will run. then we'll see how easy the 14's really are.

lata
tim

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Easy to get into 14's? I doubt it. I know my friend Josh had to do every mod I did plus a cam swap to get a 14.78. I haven't got my car timed but even with all my mods and no internal work like intake,cam or heads, I am PRAYING to break into 14's. We will see when I get the car out and to the track.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
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hey its me guys...like tim said my mods are in the sig so let me know what u think i'll run...later

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91 Pontiac Firebird...305 TBI
black, t-tops, auto
K&N 14x3 open element air cleaner, 3 inch high flow cat, 3 cat-back into a flowmaster 80 series, IAT Resistor, ultimate TBI mods, Hypertech Thermomaster Chip, TC lock-up switch...SOON TO COME...SLP Torsen Posi unit w/3.42's or 3.73's and Edelbrock TES headers
System..Kenwood 45x4 head unit, Pioneer 5.5 3-ways, Infiniti Kappa 6x9's, Two JBL 10's in a sealed hatchbox, Two Kenwood 350 watt amps

 

ttt Please help, if you guys can gie me a combo

 

The magic 8 ball says, ultimate TBI mods, flat based open element with K&N($50), maybe a cowl hood if you have an Camaro(those look awesome anyway($400)), edelbrock TBI intake($205), home ported and polished 305 TPI heads($100), 1.6 roller tiped rockers($190), full exaust(depends), 3.73 gears($dunno), posi($dunno), MSD 8.5" wires($35), upgraded ignition($150?). A good tuneup and good tires makes a big differance as well!
-Tas

 

I'm going 14.90's with stock exhaust, so mid 14's with the right tuning and tweaking with some headers should have me close to that. My car ran a best of 15.69 stock, but it ran 16.38 the first time I took it down the track. Terrible wheelspin, me not knowing where to shift it, and having the stock air cleaner and stock timing had the car running terribly. I took out the jack, shifted the car at 5000-5100, took off the air cleaner and bumped the timing up ( How much, I don't know, I didn't have even have a light w/ me) and the car went 15.69. I ran the car 9 passes that day and picked up 7 tenths!!! Don't expect your car to go to the track on the first run and run its best ET, If you've never ran it at track before. Its not gonna happen unless you've run the car dozens of times and KNOW the car. Even if its an automatic car, there is a great deal more driving involved in drag racing than some people think.

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Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET: 12.52@107.2
Future plans: Dart headed, Roller cammed 383 in early '01


89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock
New Best ET: 14.91 @92.9
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eric u should really stop useing josh as an example. He really doesnt seem to know much about what hes doing if he is only running a 14.78 with his mods. **** i reamember he was running 15s after a cam and exahaust swap if that tels ya n e thing. The only reason he got it to run a 14.78 was when he took his exahaust off from y pipe back.

First thing is first murphsiroc u need to run ur car. Its hard to say what mods u need becouse u have no idea how much u are trying to take off ur ET. Just for the sake of arguement lets say ur car ran a 15.9 quarter. Without touching the motor the car would easiyl be in 14s. Go with a set of 3.73 gears and a posi unit. Get a good stall converter and a shift kit. Theres atleast a second off ur ET. Give the motor a full tune up (cap,rotor,plugs,wires ect...). Also get a TBI tune up kit. Gives u new screens, o rings and gaskets. Dont be half *** and think some injector cleaner will do fine, they suck. With your current set up i dont think headers are something u need. Just get an entire cat back exahaust. U dont need n e thing that will break the bank just get something like a dynomax system for about 150$. Its just like oem only it has full mandral bent pipe and flows about as good as a flowmaster american thunder system for about 200$ less. after all this u should be running the same as erics buddy and u barely touched the motor. Like NJ says its just a matter of planning and careful thinking.

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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1985 trans am
factory bright yellow
4 wheel disks
16 inch wheels
305 TPI
power antenna and mirrors
t tops

 

LoL, ok Mike. Like u know anything about modding an engine. Your OEM forever. Take a look at the new guys times. 15.9 with full cat-back,no cat,and headers,open element. THESE ENGINES ARE NOT THAT EASY TO GET INTO 14'S! Its just a fact of life with them. If u want 14's u got to get rid of one of the internal mods like the cam or the heads or the intake. Thats a fact. I am PRAYING that I can somehow break into 14's with all the mods on my car but I don't have an intake or a aftermarket cam or head work. I have just about every other thing though besides that. Maybe I can do it, maybe I won't. Fact is, LO3's are unprecitcable. That guy ran a 15.9 and NJ speedster ran that time when his LO3 was stock. Mike, go time ur car with a G-Tech just one time. I know u label that has "beating" on our cars, but one time isn't going to hurt that V8. Thats what they were made for. I bet u run mid-high 15's just because of them 3:73's and thats a maybe. I just hate when people that haven't done anything to their cars and then say, "Do this and do that, throw on this and bolt this on and you will be there" when they have no idea. Its not that easy.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
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eric im not proclaiming my car to be a 1/4 mile record breaker so dont bring my car up in this at all. He asked w2hat a formula for a 1 second quarter is and i told him. U havent ran ur car at the track either so how are u gonna act like ud know n e better than i would. These motors arent unpredictable. People just forget that some get beat on and some dont.

BTW eric i know alot more than u would. I have been through these cars alot longer than u so dont doubt my mechanical abilities. Notice the key phrase in that quote. "the new guys" the guys who ran thier cars for the first time. U cant expect to be perfect ur first run.

and u expect a high 14 with ur very limited mods? I guess that means everyone else will run 16s stock except u huh?

one last thing........dont use my car as an example. This isnt about my car, its about a formula for 14s and i gave it. Dont get mad becouse u didnt get it right the first time. Thats not a flame but ur knowledge is very limited with these cars especially performance at the track. This time im not saying n e thing about u or ur car, im trying to be kool about this so dont come back as a total *****. Also dont try to say becouse i havent ran my car means i know nothing. Just for the record i spent half of last summer at my local drag strip (lancaster speedway) so i have an idea on what it takes to do certain things.


BTW if NJ ran his 100000 mile+ auto car bone stock at a 15.89 what makes u think my 59000mile 3.73 geard 5 spd car would run the same?

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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1985 trans am
factory bright yellow
4 wheel disks
16 inch wheels
305 TPI
power antenna and mirrors
t tops

 

Cool down you guys! We're on the same team here.
About the 14's...LISTEN TO TIM (NJ SPEEDER)!!!!
He's a member of the NHRA and he's got this down to a science no kidding. He's into bracket racing and all that cool jazz. He's been coming by every night now for like 5/6 days and we've talked a lot (not alot) about these cars. Look at what he's put into the car and you can see what works. He's got edelbrock performer heads, STOCK CAM, 1.6 rockers, higher stall converter, edelbrock TBI intake, ALL ultimate TBI mods and a little more, he runs NO air filter (not sure if that's a good thing or not but I did that once before by accident and I had noticable hp gains over the stock TBI unit, infact I almost got into an accident the wheels were spinning so much), he's also got 3.73 posi (worn out), slicks, and edelbrock headers coated. With that combo he's running low 14's all night long. Oh yeah, and he's running cat! and borla adjustable (open) cat-back system. I must say that the stock heads are going to be the big bottle neck. Get heads!!! One thing that everybody should not is how Tim is running with a stock bore TBI unit. With the larger TB unit he might even make a little more hp since the more air volume can make more upper rpm power (compliment the exhaust system).
Don't go saying this won't work etc. because Tim isn't an exception, he's a guy that loves his car and he loves racing. One more thing that helps a lot with our cars is weight reduction. Tim doesn't run with passenger/rear seats and his aluminum heads/radiator help out. Although he does have some HUGE disc brakes and T-tops.

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, Jon (in process of installing new engine)

 

i didn't reallyexpect to cause such a buzz with this. but i must say i kinda like it.
i think jon gives me a lot of credit for my car and i appreciate that. thanx.
i am just a physics geek at heart and i have done a ton of the math concerning these engines combined with the fact that i have been into racing all kinds of cars since long before i got my license. this has given me one advantage over a lot of people, i have learned to look at other cars and adapt technology(i know it sounds scary but you'd be amazed what you can learn from teh faster honda guys about air flow) my years of working and racing have also taught me that it is the sum of the parts that counts, noty the big dollar or fashionable stuff. my car is a good example of this. i run 14.2's at nearly 2 mph less than everyone else. that is because i have learned that et's are all about the 2 g's. grip and gears. if you get them right you don't really need as much power, that is what the posi and gears are about. then you add just a little bit of power like the ultimate tbi and all the other common mods like exhaust and chips and it will add up to a huge improvement.
i know it sounds arrogant but all i have to say is that i am one of the fastest and most experienced guys around with one of these motors, there i s a very good chance that i know what i am talking about, whether you agree with my theories or not they can not be completely discounted just because you know a guy that has a combo that didn't work out.

lata
tim
btw jon, i have 3.54 gears still, until the rear gets fixed at least.

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14.215@94.30 w/ 1.917 60'

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is anyone gonna comment on what they think blackbird305 is gonna run. i really wanna hear this. i think he can go a mid 15 if he can get some ok traction, like a 2.20 or a 2.teen 60ft.

lata
tim

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14.215@94.30 w/ 1.917 60'

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I'm not gonna rant and rave since most of what u said made no sense, but that was the old 91Bird. But these engines ARE UNPRETICTABLE! They just are. I have seen people like NJ's Stock LO3's run 15.9's and other stock LO3's run high 16's and even 17's. A full second differnce PROVES these engines are. I don't know why, maybe it has something to do with all this restictive garbage GM put on them.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 21, 2001).]

 

are you refering to the inconsistancy of a particular car or the platform? if you think these motors are at all scetchy you are mistaken, i have gone many many rounds against very good drivers with my car running with the same hundredth at the 60's and through the trap for several runs in a row.
as for a from car to car comparison, you have to realize that these cars are now 10 years or more old. you have no idea where many of these rides have been or what they have been through in their lives. my car was bought 6 years ago, 1 previous owner, only 26,989 on the clock the day i picked it up. jprevost bought his car with 140K on the motor. there is no real way to compare that. the cars that people are turning up that have been better cared for seemed to be the ones going faster, you'll find that is true of any engine platform.
i guess we are all lucky that randy, blackbird305, is such a willing little test monkey
we will see how easy this all really is.

lata
tim

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14.215@94.30 w/ 1.917 60'

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I am mistaken? Explain Pablo's 14.88? Explain that guy with the 125hp shot that runs a 15.7! Explain our recent friend who is a 15.9! Then we have your car, yes its heavily modded but look at what u run. A low 14. U run with LT1's my friend...STOCK! I just don't see the point anymore. And I think a lot of people realize this once they get to this stage like I am and many others that are sick of these engines. When my car was stock I lost to a Ford Probe GT that my friend had....A FORD F'ING PROBE! I almost got out and torn the engine right out of that car. But then I thought to myslef...maybe I can mod it and then I will run with my friends who have STOCK 94 LT1's....I mod it, I mod it more and more...and hear I stand..PRAYING JUST TO GET INTO 14'S! Let me tell everyone right now thinking about how they want to get into 14's so bad....Great you get to 14's..congrats...you run a 14.7 or 14.3 Good job...no go race the new bad boys down at the strip or your friend in his Z28 or SS or Cobra...uh oh...you lost...why? BECAUSE THESE ENGINES SUCK! I am sorry, J is making a smart move...I am making a smart move to buy a 350 Block, Z28 boy man a smart move, Duke had to swap his 305 back in and his can't stand the thing, thank god he has a 427 on the side..smart move and so did anyone else that got fed up with all the mods u would do to these engines and for what? 14's Oh yeah, worth every penny. NJ, I know u do bracket racing or whatever and maybe u like ur 305 or you have to have that 305 in there in order to race in some certain class but I am just going to tell people to stop modding their 305's and start saving up for a 350. If they want to run 15's or high 14's then I will give them some info on what they need to do. Or if they want a better exaust system, thats cool, its swappable to a 350 or big block, same goes for their ignition. But my first question will always be..."Do you just want to beat 305's and stock L98's? Or do you want to kick some serious a$$ down at the strip and show them what thirdgens are really made of?" And I think I know what their anwsers will be.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 22, 2001).]

 

isn't that why most people didn't like you in the first place? hehe

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6
[soon to have Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers installed]

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

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91bird305,
this was a perfectly healthy debate about just how easy it is to get into the 14's. there is no real reason to spaz about it. if you hate these motors so much go sell your car and hang out with all the people you mention.
this board is supposed to be about working with this particular platform. if you think it is such a bad idea just take your little misinformed show over to the tpi board or go hang out with the 4th gen guys, i don't really care.
you say look at my car and why it only runs low 14's. i have made it no secret that there is a lot of stuff messed up in my car too. i have the wrong gears, a blown rear carrier, a bad tranny, the wrong torque converter, and road racing suspension all on teh car right now. knowing that i can go a 14.2 with a car that is that f'ed up should tell you that it can easily run a 13.5 or .6 once i fix it.
as for all these people who you say do all this stuff and go soooooo slow, they must have doen something wrong in their combo. anyone with a 125 shot that can't run 14's is either spinning the living **** out of the tires or he is lying about what is in the car. it is also fascinating to hear how a 4th gen, with way more technology and less weight is faster than our cars,not to mention the 45 extra inches of displacement, did you think it would be the same speed? while you are at it why don't you go tell all the LT1 guys they suck because their cars are all 7 tenths slower than a new LS1 car.
until you can come up with some valid theory to support your position, maybe you should just save it. just running around telling everybody that can beat you that they suck and they don't know what they are doing just makes you sound silly.
anyone who knows me can vouch for me. i have been down a lot of roads with my car that most people haven't thought of just to see if this motor can be fast, and i am telling you right now it can be.
all anyone has to do is collect the info in this board and apply it to their cars. it really is that easy as long as you realize that their is always someone who will be faster than you. i am not offering solutions to beat the world with a 305, i am just saying that the potential for reliable and quick street car is there.

lata
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.215@94.30 w/ 1.917 60'

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sorry nj, this is the tbi board. not the 305 tbi board or the 350tbi board or the 502tbi board. this is the TBI board.

as for the modify a 305. well, pop in a lightweight crank, some domed pistons, a cam that gets you 4 mpg, and heads that have some big valves and small cc, matched with an intake, and one of my tbi's (of course) throw that next to a t56, and some 5.11's. freak out the suspesion, get some air bags, nos, and slicks. loose the interior, and add a vortec supercharger.

o wait, dont forget the tbi spacer and split fire plugs. ditch ac, heater and power steering.

anyway, a 305 could be fast. but. physics will show, more cubes, = more power.

even still, i would like to tear the 305 out, drop something else. build the 305 in my spare time, and throw it in a fiero where it would be matched to the right car.

the war will never end.

but all remember, we have tbi. that makes us brothers in a way. and "brothers dont shake hands, brothers gotta hug"

 

Tim for TBI club president

 

91bird305, the more you speak, the more you prove your ignorance, using et to compare engine output is innacurate at best since its more a function of chassis setup, traction, gearing, etc.
Trap speed is the most accurate way to compute the power of a given combination. So you might want to change your post to "Explain pablos 93.66 mph trap speed!" just a little under 1 mile an hour less than the trap speed NJ ran on his best et
my first run i lost traction big time and ran 93 mph but with a 15.4 et
You might wanna learn why they give you more than just a 1/4 et on your test and tune timeslip before you continue running your mouth about how much you know

 

lol that sux to be u man. u really need to get out of the 3rd gen scene man. Everytime u make a comparison its always a bad thing for a TBI or 3rd gen all together. If LT1s and 350s are so great than stop bothering with ur 305 and sell it. Either get a 4th gen or new motor. After that, STOP COMPLAINING!!

 

LoL, yeah it did suck Mike. I was super pissed. And what made it worse was when they say, "I thought u had a V8?" Them GT's run mid to high 15's though. God, look at that excuse, and I have a V8 and I am talking about 15's!!!! But I am not bashing thirdgens or TBI at all. Its just this engine. I am convinced that TBI can work and its cheap to make it work. Its the LO3 itself that I am bashing. And I would never sell my car because of the engine that is in it. Because I can spend 2,000 and build an awesome 350 to put in its place. Know what I mean? So guys, don't go and start saying, "Sell your car if u don't like it" Thats not the point I was trying to make.

Oh Pablo, don't worry man, I know it was traction or was it wheel hop or was it bad plugs and wires? Oh I don't know, I can't remember all the excuses that came up. Get your cheap a$$ to buy $80.00 lower control arms or 60 bucks on some nice wires and learn how to drive if thats what ur blaming it on.
Anyways, NJ I wasn't bashing ur 305 really. You 305 TBI is one of the fastest I have ever heard of. The only 305 I have heard of that is faster is that dude with the 305 TPI that has every aftermarket part known to man on it and he runs a 12.02 or something.
So I hold your 305 TBI very high in repect of 305 TBI's. Cause u did what everyone talks about doing but never does it. I beilve that u can go faster for sure. You explained it before and I read it.
Holy sh*t Tas your right! LOL. I remember that. Oh man, I am turning back into the old 91Bird. Sorry Nic.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 23, 2001).]

 

f'kin guy.

you and pablo stop fighting. besides bird, hed kick your ace if you raced.

 

eric i see what ur saying but what u are failing to understand is with the right planning/mods the L03 can be made very fast. I know u dont wanna believe it nor do u wanna hear it but its true. L03 has just as much potential as Lb9 or L69 or even LG4. Lets just put it like this just for a quick example. NJ is like a stone throw away from a 13 second pass on his 305 TBI with STOCK CAM!! put a better cam in there (30hp min) and drop a mild supercharger on it and hes running low 13s to high 12s. On the stock bottom end!! SO imagine that same set up with a fully rebuilt re machined bottom end with forged internals and a .30 over bore. See what im getting at?? its very possible to get an LO3 into 12 second territory with out that being maxed out.

[qoute]Get your cheap a$$ to buy $80.00 lower control arms or 60 bucks on some nice wires and learn how to drive if thats what ur blaming it on.[/quote]

speaking of which "MR OEM" bought his first set of aftermarket performance wires and cap. accel 8.8mm custom fit wires for my 85 trans am and i got the cap to match sorry guys im a little excited. The whole set (cap/rotor/wires) ran be about 78$ from pep boys. The wires look sweet as hell, im gonna install them today!

 

BTW pablo dont feel to bad, i cant really drive my car (89) all that good either right now. I only drove it for about 700 miles total over the summer and i just recently did a clutch job and 3.73 gears so im not the best at it yet, though i havent really tried to much. i just know if i try taking off really fast both tires will spin pretty hard. maybe its better off that im letting her sit in a garage

 

I don't think u get what I am saying...I am classifing ALL 305's. Not just the LO3. So I am not bashing LO3. I am bashing 305.
Oh congrats, u modded ur engine to its max and ur running...high 12's. SWEET! All u need was to change everything on the block and add a blower. Wow, all that and I get high 12's. WOW WHERE IS MY CHECK BOOK?! LoL
Hey some may think that is fast enough, I want something faster though. And if I want low-flat 12's without having to put a f-cking blower on the engine it ain't gonna happen with the 305.
My way isn't everyone's way. Obviously by the comments people are making. Some people want to stay with the 305 and thats great. Stay here. Hell, even Pablo knows that if u want to be truley fast to swap to a 350 or something bigger. But if u guys want to tinker around with ur 305's thats cool with me. But like I said, when someone comes up and asks me what do I need to run with modified 4thgens I am going to tell them to get rid of that 305. Plain and simple.

Oh and Nic, to ur comment about Pablo beating me in a race.....I hope he would, he has only trying to perfect TBI and his car for 4 years now...and I don't even know if he could win since he doesn't know how to drive the car he has owned since he got his liscence. LoL
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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 23, 2001).]

 

?? where do you come up with this stuff?

 

IM me and find out.
If your talking about those quotes I found, there listed above in those text boxes. Cool huh?
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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
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[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 23, 2001).]

 

Most of the times I have been hearing lately should be posted at FOS.com!!!

 

eric i dont know what ur problem with forced induction is. There needs to be a replacement for the displacement. but whatever this arguement can go on both ways for another 65 posts, lets try to avoid that huh? Now eric....stop talking about how 350s are so great and go out and buy one.

 

I am trying! Gotta save up 1,700.00 Have to be this summer since thats when I make tons of money. Not while I am at college.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
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what 350 are u going with? are u just going to get like the ZZ4 short block? AN L98 TPI set up would be sweet. Maybe even and LT1/6spd combo. Theres ur formula for 13s What are u going to do about ur headers? they wont work well with a ghighly modded 350. Ya i say go with l98 TPI 350 with a paxton supercharger with a .30 over bore, something of a 500 lift cam?? with that 6 spd and a performance clutch. thats one fast car

 

Its the block they use for the ZZ4,ZZ430 and ZZ5. Its a 4-bolt, comes with PM Rods,Forged steel crank, high silicon allinuium pistons and pistons rings. So I would just have to build it from there. I figure its better than waiting to save up for some sort of crate engine and this way I can make it a 500+hp engine if I want. But anyways, thats the plan.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
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14's are not that hard.

anyway, answer a question.

what advantage does the 305 have over the 350.

ok. so there isnt any. mod the 305. mod the 350. only one could hit 11's i bet. only one could hit 12's and get streetable mialage. only one could do 13 without huffin and puffin its way down the track wondering if it could do another run without blowing up.

a fast 305 is at maxed out point where a 350 is somewhat modified. a modified 305 is at a stock 350. ill take the 350. but there is still that thorn in my *** to know exactly what a maxed out 305 turns on the dyno and runs down the track. not hypotheticals. i want to see it done.i want to put a new engine in my car, and keep the 305, slowly building it up to put in a another fbody someday down the road.

 

the final word from me on this is very simple. if you would like to see what a modified and very streetable tbi car can do at the track show up to my event,East Coast F-Body Nats on august 4th, and stick around til the evening program when i am running in the real street points. i will show you what can be done with my theory and math. i should have everything done by then.
i will not be able to run during the day as i have to deal with the running of the show until 4pm. but if anyone can come and stay to watch i plan to have something special to show.

lata
tim

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just be glad you dont own a V6. I have a lot of mods and only pull a 16 flat at 85.6. mph, with 2.21 60's.

mods:crane cam,3.73's,headers,catback,intake , shift kit,pulleys.

Since that 16 flat run I had my heads planed .020 because of warpage tht was causing low compression, so hopefully with full compression and a good launchI will be doing 15.8's or so. BTW the 3.23>3.73 upped my mph from 82.7 to 85.6! I suppose my luanches suck though

 

Well I feel sorry for u man. Really I do. But some people like modding V6's. Just like some people like modding these 305 to their max. I mod mine to where its swappable.

NJ (Tim) I have more faith in your word at good times then I do Pablo's (and his times prove it) so good luck to you and have fun.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
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Do you always live vicariously through others?


for someone that doesnt do anything you sure do talk alot of ****, when it all comes down to it my car runs 93.66 mph in the quarter with minimal cash invested. Your car doesnt even have a timeslip and thank God you dont even pretend to have modded enough to get anywhere near that. So please do us all a favor and stop pretending + **** talking

to add, for someone that is almost 20 if not 20 years old, its uncanny that you have the maturity of a 14 year old

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited March 25, 2001).]

 

Um ok dude. Don't talk about timeslips. How long was it until your lazy *** got up and ran it? Yeah, thank you very much. So don't talk about people with no timeslips.

And my maturity? Um, show me where I was being immuture? Was I saying a swear word that offended you or something? I don't understand. Everyting and everyone were doing fine here until you showed up.

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 25, 2001).]

 

eric u do kind of bash pablo a little bit. Granted....sometimes its funny as hell but he put alot of work into his car and has done alot for other TBIers. Acept the fact that he is a mid 14 second car. With the right heads he should be a high 13 second car and still have room to play. Eric u know those ultamate TBI mods u praise so much?? pablo (the one u always bash) is the one who came up with those. I just thought id add that so credit can be givin where due.....

3.1firebird those arent really that bad of times for a 3.1 6 cyl. The new 3800 6 cyls in the grand prixs run a high 15 second run and those seem pretty fast so i give u credit for that
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damn im givin everyone credit today

 

LoL, I know he made those up. Do I praise them? No. But they are good.
Hey, I know he is smart with TBI and he has helped others. Anyways, I won't make fun of you anymore Pablo. Fun is over.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html