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Old Mar 14, 2001 | 08:42 AM
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Spring break engine swap begins today!

Got news from my dad that the engine is ready for pickup and my mom said all the parts have arrived. Thank God for free shipping from Summit and thanks z28 boy for getting those motor mounts out to me, they also arrived. It's 9:30am right now and I'm all done with finals, going to get packed up and ready for my 540 mile drive home in an ECLIPSE!!! Hey, my friend even admits that it's a POS so it's all good. Don't have much headroom (nill since I'm 6'4") but it's a free ride so I'll just shut up. Okay the reason for the post is to say that I got my friends digital camera and I will be posting pictures nonstop. My new website is http://jprevost.fbody.com don't close the ad popup, just minimize it and it won't bother you. Go to cars and you will find at the very top a link to go to the engine swap page. Right now all my images/thumbnails are hosted by www.crosswinds.net, they SUCK. I could host a website faster with a 14.4 modem and would you believe they just recently "upgraded?" My roommate's website is: http://www.betamp3.com , he's going to host the new images so it doesn't take a year to look at the fullsizes.
I don't think I'm going to have a bunch of questions but if you have any post to this tread and I'll check it out. I'll post some pictures but ALL will be on the website.
"Screw you guys, I'm going home!"~in my best Cartman voice <<I'M FREE>> for 10 days at least.

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Old Mar 14, 2001 | 09:01 AM
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Well J, looks like ur finally gonna get that badboy in. Did u end up shipping it to a local performance shop there? Anyways, good luck and have fun.

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Old Mar 14, 2001 | 09:14 AM
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good luck man, i'm also starting my project on thursday and hopefully it will be done by sun
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Old Mar 14, 2001 | 10:38 AM
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hey formula88...where the hell is bethpage ny? just wondering.

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Old Mar 14, 2001 | 07:26 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2001 | 08:01 PM
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yo, hit me up on my cell when you get back in town. i think i gave you that number. i get done work around 5ish. i hafta get my car ready for the start of points on saturday but other thatn that i can be around to help all you want.

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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 01:01 AM
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Tim, e-mail me at jprevost@crosswinds.net
NJ Speeder, e-mail me your cell again. I put it in a .txt file but I can't find it.
Plan for Thursday: Take pictures, pickup engine and transport to the barn, get everything into position (parts and tools in place), jack up car and take off hood, mark all wire plugs and remove, maybe if I have time I'll take the wheels/springs/struts off to get to motor mounts (Eibach and Bilstiens have been waiting since summer). That's the plan, I'll repost with pictures and the updates/questions.

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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 11:56 AM
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Ever get those caps for your wheels?

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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 04:34 AM
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No caps on the wheels, I'm not ready to dish out all that money for a couple of spinners that'll just fall off in a couple weeks.
Update: I just got back from the barn, the car is up, crate engine is there, all pieces are ready. I took a few pictures and I'll be posting them in a little bit, it's 5:30am so I'm not going to do it now but if you check back tonight there will be a bunch.
I need to go to Car Parts and pick up a temp sensor, new battery (ultima red top ), square carb gasket, exhaust gaskets, oil filter, and fluids.
The hood is off and all the sensors are labeled. The old L03 is ready to be yanked now that everything is unplugged. My friend has already started unbolting the trans from the engine. I'm going to finish unbolting the a/c compressor then we'll pull it. It's going quick and I need to take a few more pictures. If I can get her running before sunday then I'm going to do all the suspension work as well. I have A LOT of stuff to put on.

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Old Mar 16, 2001 | 10:40 AM
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No way. The spinners stay on suprisingly tight. You wouldn't believe how hard it was for me to get them on there. Once they were on, I could take them off easily. But if you tighten the alen screws tight enough, theres no way that they fall off. Believe me, I have had them on for a long time, and haven't had any problem with them. They deffinitely clean up the look of the car. Once you have had them, you will never want to go back.

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Old Mar 17, 2001 | 02:57 AM
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Update: Today we had to go to two different parts stores to get a few sensors and gaskets. Tomorrow I have to go to pep boys because neither of the stores had a holley square bore intake gasket!
Tim (aka NJ Speeder) and his friend Bill (supercharged '98 s10) came by to help. Bill took some video and I took more pictures of the engine swap. We had a hard time getting all to all the bolts. We removed the engine about an hour ago. It took a while to get the trans unbolted, I had to stand on the old engine (yes I have pictures of that). The motor mounts came out REAL easy, unbolted with no problem. I had to remove the engines (drivers side) part of the mount to get it around the headers. Once that was removed we jacked the engine out and it cracked my windshield washer controls/motor cover. Does anybody have the cover that they could send a poor college kid? I'll be your bestest friend . Oh yeah, and we had to take off the crank pulley to remove the engine. Didn't have to remove the fan :-).
I'm keeping the AC so that was one more PITA but it'll be worth it this summer.
Hopefully Tim will be around to help me install the springs and shocks/struts, he's done it before so he'll know exactly what he's doing. I wish I had the money for a trans cooler but I don't plan on running the car too hard until I have a new torque converter and something other than the 3.08 peg leg w/ stock traction bar. The traction bar and the bushings are the only thing I have left to do to the suspension. I even have a global west wonderbar.
So the engine is out, and now I need to go to sleep. I'll post pictures Saturday.

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Old Mar 17, 2001 | 01:30 PM
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Sweet!... Ok so, what time Saturday will you post pics? C'mon, Its 1:27pm now. The more pics the better.

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Old Mar 17, 2001 | 04:14 PM
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Old Mar 17, 2001 | 04:58 PM
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Ok, its Saturday...where the damn pics!

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Old Mar 18, 2001 | 11:45 AM
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They're listed with no index for right now. They're super low quality so it doesn't take all you 56Kers a hour on each image. I'll upload the high quality images into the high quality directory.
Update: It's 12:30 on sunday, I just woke up :P! Friends coming over and he's bringing a T45 torx bit (to take off half of the darn brackets). Tim came over last night and he'll be over later today. We got the motor mounts in (what a PITA). They took a couple of hours since we didn't really have the best selection in tools.
Anyways, today we want to:
Get the starter on, flex plate on, bolt trans to engine (torque converter to flex plate), install all sensors, install intake (fab up some brackets since I seem to be the only thirdgen owner that's going to be KEEPING cruise control AFTER an engine swap . The only thing we're waiting on are the AC delco spark plugs (NJ sucks for having parts in stock) and a new H balancer (need to get that fron a chevy dealer). I'm not going to bolt up the headers just yet because the two plugs closest to the firewall on the drivers side are impossible to get to with the headers on. I think we have our work cut out for ourselves today. I'll post more pictures tonight since the internet is finally working (aol 4.0 wouldn't let me do anything with http or ftp so I upgraded to 5.0 with a CD and now it works all of a sudden....AOL=(POSxISP))
Anybody know of a good fast ISP in NJ? I don't mind spending $20 a month but the cheaper the better. My friend says Juno is good, pay $8 a month to not have any adds.
Okay, gotta go, I'll keep you all posted.
I do have some quastions but I'll post them tonight with pictures.

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Old Mar 18, 2001 | 09:49 PM
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Jon, I have a few questions to ask you about this swap.

1. Why did you have to tear the engine down before pulling it?

2. What crate engine did you purchase? I thought that the 330hp 350HO came with a harmonic balancer.

3. And where did you get those headers?

You might also want to check out AT&T on this link http://download.att.net/partners/ I think they have 150hrs for around $5. a mounth.

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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 02:15 AM
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Update: Tim came over again today, we got the engine in. Exhaust bolted back up, trans bolted up, intake is on, and everything is looking real good. I just ordered a couple more parts from Summit. I needed a balancer, timing tape, timing tab, and a battery (Ultima red top, rest is Summit brand OEM).
I was cleaning some parts on the wire wheel with Tim and my part slipped out of my greased up fingers...hit me in the forehead (have glasses on ) then hit Tim square in the bridge of his nose. A little blood. Soon after a few more parts got wild on us. I guess God was telling me to be more careful.
Either that or since Tim didn't have a bloody knuckle yet.... (Ethan and I both have plenty)
I cleaned up the accesory brackets a little and everything is looking good. I just wish I had the darn water pump, Stewarts is going to have to do some explaining tomorrow when I call them up and ask them what happened since I orderd the pump 12 days ago!!! That is the only thing that is holding me up.
Tomorrow I plan on getting all accesories bolted up (including AC), install fuel filter, bend fuel lines, rig up the bracket, connect all the sensors and zip tie the hell out of the engine bay. We'll get all the stuff we can do finished. Then I might tackle installing the new springs and shocks. We matched up stock intake and this intake and it didn't look to be more than 3/4" difference in height with the drop base air cleaner. I would have taken pictures of them side by side if I wasn't so high on all the fumes in that barn. The best part was when we used some starter fluid infront of the heater. I got a real nice picture of a big flame. I'll post the pictures tomorrow, I'll have 20 more pictures by mid afternoon.

We didn't have to tear the engine down to pull it. We just felt like taking off everything to make removal easier. It didn't take much more time. While some of use worked on the engine and unbolting the headers and the trans, others were taking apart the intake, removing sensors and cleaning up (teflon tape etc).
It's the 330hp 350ho but it doesn't come with a balancer. Only the deluxe does.
I didn't get the headers, they came on the car from the previous owner. A nice bonus I guess for paying cash upfront (he was asking $4750 I paid $3750 ). They are SLP but they are the old tri-Y design. Tim (aka NJ Speeder) was telling me that they were really good headers, first thing he said was something about how they're worth there weight in gold or something like that. All I know is they work really well and they look awesome. I think Thorley are the only brand making the tri-y now. For the longest time I just thought I had SLP standard exhaust until I went under the car and noticed all the Y connections. I don't know if it's any better or what but it's cool to have something is rare and won't rust away.

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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 07:19 PM
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Well it looks like it will be longer than I expected before I can swap my 350 in to my RS. I started to do some clean up on my engine and found out, or at least it looked like, it had many more miles on it than the 30,000mi. the seller said it had. I have decided to go thru the whole engine and do some extra things that I hope will help me to run without egr. I planning to put in new D-cupped pistons and having the block decked to get as close to zero deck height as possible,I want to run as small as a quich area as possible. I will also have the rotating asm. balanced along with having the heads set up for a higher lift cam and a 30deg. back cut on the valves. If I can get some Tech Line Coatings ceramic thermal barrier coating stuff I will coat the top of the pistons and combustion chambers. I hope all this and a mild 9.0/1 to maybe 9.5/1 cr will put me in the ball park to stay out of detonation. I hope I can get this going before summer gets here. :

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Old Mar 20, 2001 | 12:12 AM
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New pictures will be up around 2:30am.
http://jon.betamp3.com ~Enjoy
Not too many people seemed interested in an engine swap. I'm even using TBI but still no questions .
Update: Called UPS and they said they needed driving directions to drop off the waterpump. IDIOTS!!, about 2 days before that and 2 days after they found my house with no problem. Worst part is that they didn't bother to call up either Stewart Components OR me. I'm getting refunded my shipping money but I still would have liked to have had the pump, this is cutting it too close I think. Anyways...The balancer should be here Wed and tomorrow I'm going to spend the day trying to figure out the hood clearance problem I've got (3" an inch too big so I'm going to get a 2"). I also have the heater hoses out because it was in the way of everything and because I need to figure out how it works. Right now my new intake doesn't have the boss for the hose so I don't know what I'm going to do with that. I think I might just rig it up the old fashioned way with a direct hose into the heater core. I got the fuel lines on and everything is wired up and ready to go. We still need to get the balancer and the water pump so we can install the distrib and adjust timing.
Tomorrow I'm also going to do the springs/shocks/struts/steering brace/sway bars install. If I get all that stuff done tomorrow then the car should fire up wednesday night. If it does then I'm going to be a VERY happy man. I don't think I'll be able to stop smiling. This kind of stuff is like a drug, I get high off of it and it's expensive. Tim has been so kind as to lend me his EGR check valve so I don't get an SES light. I know for sure that I wouldn't be this far without the help.
I'll be making a website out of this. I'll explain EVER step from engine removal to turn key and the list of parts needed.

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Old Mar 20, 2001 | 11:09 AM
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that would be ausome, instructions for an engine swap.

im planning one this summer too. but i hope to do it in a day, in a garage with a tech. (who im buying the engine from).

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Old Mar 20, 2001 | 01:02 PM
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An engine swap tech article . I can probably do it without making it too long.
It's really not that hard to do an engine swap, it's just all the little bugs you run into. I wanted to replace my engine mounts so that was extra time. We also changed the fuel filter.

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Old Mar 20, 2001 | 03:39 PM
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Old Mar 20, 2001 | 11:41 PM
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jprevost, I am looking foreward to your article on this swap, especially what you did with the fuel lines, how you modified throttle bracket, ignition bracket, brake booster line etc.I wanna do this swap too but have been concerned about all the mods to get it to work. Soooo, I am following this every day but waiting on the questions till you get through!Thanks for keeping us up to date on how this is going.........bob

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Old Mar 20, 2001 | 11:52 PM
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Man.....that motor looks soooo puuuurty siting in that compartment. Good luck finishing up!!!
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Old Mar 21, 2001 | 11:48 AM
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this makes me want to swap so bad. i cant wait. im gona go buy an engine today.
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Old Mar 21, 2001 | 12:51 PM
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An online engine swap...pretty cool idea. I plan on doing the exact same swap into my 1992 Camaro eventually, so I'm like hanging on your every word (and pic for that matter). Thanks for your efforts...I can't wait to see the tech article.

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Old Mar 21, 2001 | 02:26 PM
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Boy does this suck. It's raining like cats and dogs AND my stuff from summit still hasn't arrived. I have everything except the balancer. We need to wait to put the balancer on before the water pump.
I went to car parts and got some more hose so just about everything is new. I'm still fighting the hood clearance issue. I might have to run the edelbrock pro-flow intake till I get a hardwood cowl lift off hood (only $210).
I'm not sure if anybody has noticed but WTF is wrong with Engergy Suspension? They make a 26,28,30,32,34 front sway bar bushing but they don't make the 36mm!!!! Jerks!
I will definatly write up a tech article on swapping an engine and all the steps and parts you'll need.
I hope to get everything running tonight!
I'll keep everybody updated.

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Old Mar 21, 2001 | 02:45 PM
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JP, what is causing the hood clearance problem? What intake did you use that is causing this or is it something else......bob
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Old Mar 21, 2001 | 03:13 PM
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Update: I just got the parts. Ethan (friend with 69 maro) ran over to go paint it. I'm going to go over to car parts to pick up the stuff I ordered in a bit, then we'll have EVERYTHING to finish up the swap and start the car tonight.

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Old Mar 22, 2001 | 10:53 AM
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Update: I got everything installed. All I need to do now is check to see if hood fits after some alterations.
I now have an electrical problem. The car doesn't get any power anywhere, ground is good but I need to figure out the starter and why nothing is working. If I can get a light on or something I'd be happy. I don't know what it is but I think it has something to do with how we hooked up the starter and the positive distribution block. My friend Ethan is getting ready to move back to school today so I need to figure this one out on my own. When I do I'm going to call him up to bring over his timing light and we'll adjust the timing. When that's done I'll finish installing suspension stuff.
I don't know what I'm going to do if I can't figure out the electrical. Oh well, later

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Old Mar 22, 2001 | 02:36 PM
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is it plugged in?

thats what i always tell people when they say a light wont come on. Funny, thats always the last thing people check.

really though, did you check to make sure you plugged everything back in.

try wiring everything but the starter. you should be able to get radio and turn signals. what about the fusable links? did you hit the main harnes on the firewall. coulda jostled something.

also, a ?. were you able to get everything in and out without disconecting any ac lines?
is that why you didnt strip the engine compartment?

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Old Mar 22, 2001 | 09:20 PM
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I don't think ALL my lights, power window motors, rear hatch, starter, alternator, and power locks went bad at the same time without blowing any fuses. I think I figured it out with Tim and Randy. My friend had wired up the starter wrong. These "fusable links" are ****ing ****. These wires are a PITA! I didn't think it would be all that hard but like I said, my friend took off the wires without remembering where they went. Now I need to study the wiring diagrams tonight and figure out which "rust" and whcih "red" wires go where. Also my fan relay isn't working, don't know what I'm going to do about that. Probably end up just wiring in a standard 30amp auto relay which I have already. Also Car Parts the store gave me the wrong end links the other day so I returned them and I'll pick up the end links tomorrow. This electrical puzzle is getting on my nerves.
About the AC, I didn't disconect any of the lines. It was a bitch to get the compressor over to the side. I zip tied the thing to my strut tower brace mount, that worked but when putting the engine in we had to pull it out of the way a little more. Not a problem though. One thing that was getting on my nerves was the wiring harnessat the back of the engine. It goes over the trans and that is such a FUBAR way of wiring. I must say that GM has good parts, strong heavy duty BUT they are either too much of a bitch to get at or the connectors are the cheapest they could find. I really wish GM would have invested a little more money into the wire terminals. Something that wouldn't cause blood or require a screw driver to undo. Another thing that makes are cars hard to work on is the standard/metric half and half. I wish I had a 1st gen to work on. Too bad they don't handle that well with the leaf spring rear. One more gripe I have is with Engergy Suspension, what is up with not having 36mm front sway bar bushings? Kind of stupid not to offer bushings for the best sway bar offered yes no? Oh well
Anyways, the rear is put back together and if I can get the engine running tomorrow I'll tackle the front suspension. I think I will be able to get to it. All I know is I don't want to listen to my drivers side strut banging the whole trip back to Ohio.

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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 11:49 AM
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Hey, JP, you still out there? I am guessing that you are still working on it and haven't had time to post. Hope you get that electrical? problem figured out.........bob
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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 12:02 PM
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It's alive. Finally got it working at 1:00am friday. It was the starter wiring. They all had the fuseable links to the wrong terminal. One of them had to go to the constant battery terminal so when that was fixed everything was good. We pushed her out to flush the radiator and that worked. This engine sounds angry and I love it. You can feel the huge torque inprovement at 1500rpm it's over 300 lbs-ft already and stays till the max hp at 5400. 90% more hp makes for a big difference.
The car is running lean so I need to pull the codes and figure out what's up. I hate the SES light. Also the drivers side head temp sensor wire was dirty so the temp gauge was acting up. I don't have the fan switch wired up because I just have it come on with ignition. The car doesn't seem to over heat. It did get up to 200 with a 160 thermo when the advance was too far. We set the advance to 10 WITH the brown wire connected, at 4500 it was 40 advanced. It's a bit too much but I don't care. Another thing I need to do is to figure out the power brakes vac line. When I tap on the brakes they work but then the pedal goes to the floor and the car still goes for another 10-20 ft. That is something I have to get figured out before I take it to Ohio. We had one backfire but I think it's just because we were playing with the throttle too much and the system is running really rich. I'm going to make the fuel pressure regulator adjustable and try playing with that.

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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 12:16 PM
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JP, sounds awesome, glad its up and running good, did you notice if it knocked because of the timing or running lean? Also were you able to close the hood, if youv'e put it back on yet?

Oh yah, give us some track numbers when you get a chance to run it down the 1/4mi. or back road with a stop watch.

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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 05:46 PM
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J,
everything looks awesome, congrats. Can't say I really condone the starting fluid with the heater thing. Thats just begs for someone to call Rescue 911, or to be on the worlds dumbest people on fox. But, I geuss you all must have needed a break.
pretty funny though.
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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 06:10 PM
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those fusable links saved my car from fire, but i was going 80 when it blew because my open element rubbed thru the 12v+ on the coil.

80 on the interstate that was being worked on so i had to pull thru the cones onto new asphalt with no power steering at 75 and no power breaks, that was driving if i may say so. Fusable links. pita, and firesaver.

great to hear the engine is runnin, tuning a new engine is probably expected not to be perfect the first time.
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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 07:21 PM
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and jon didn't even mention the part where we hit off dunkin donuts at around 1:30 in the morning and all looked stoned from the exhaust in the barn
next time i am bringing a fan

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Old Mar 24, 2001 | 08:31 PM
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Update: Engine is running like crap. I need to get more fuel but the engine is running RICH! I mean really rich. We checked the plugs today after Englishtown was a rain out . They were all black from carbon but no oil burning .
I made the fuel pressure adjustable (super easy with the holley unit). Adjustment can be done while car is running .
Can anybody explain why the car is running so rich and how to go about changing that with this TBI setup? I'm thinking it has something to do with the fact that my knock sensor wasn't wired up when we were setting the timing. We rechecked and it was all good. It's just been dumping fuel in and I can't figure it out of the life of me.
I might end up calling up AAA and getting them to tow the car to the local Sunoco (Bob and Jon L. know everything, they race at Englishtown as regulars). I got this far and it's sad that I have to have somebody finish the job.
BTW: About the fire thing, that isn't as dangerous as you might think. It took me 3 tries to time the digital camera right because we weren't holding it down. If we did that we would be stupid. Short bursts are fine. Also our friend is an EMT and Firefighter.

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Old Mar 25, 2001 | 10:50 AM
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J,
I was just kidding about the fire thing. It would figure that you would have a firefighter there! Makes it even funnier. That suck that your running so rich. I'm assuming with the motor swap you replaced the O2 sensor and some other stuff? You might want to check your headers, It might be possible that you might have a small leak on the O2 sensor side. You might not be able to see it, but it might be enough to draw mopre air in, the O2 sensor is just going to see extra air and continually richen you fuel mixture. I had this happen in the past after I had just installed headers and they loosened up. Just a thought.
Later...
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Old Mar 25, 2001 | 11:38 AM
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congrats JP. Thats awesome you got it done.
Its really a B**** that it isn't running right but thats the frustrating thing about doing a swap. Most of the time its the little stuff after the engine is in that drives you nuts. Really looking foreward to hearing more about the swap and suff you had to modify to make it all work when you get the chance. Good luck........bob
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Old Mar 25, 2001 | 04:28 PM
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Update: Engine is beautiful. Problem is with my wiring. Tim and Bill brought a code scanner so I could see exactly what sensors are doing and found that the WOT sensor was wired in backwards. It thought it was at WOT at idle and idle when at WOT. So obviously it was running super rich since the ECM will just bypass all sensors at WOT and just dump fuel in. I fixed that but now the car is having big problems starting. When I did get it started I got it up to 2500 and then held the throttle there but after a little while it just died missing. So I think the plugs need to be cleaned up then try again. Also I got a code 33 which is the MAP (manifold pressure). Voltage was too high so I don't know what's going on with that, maybe it's the larger TB and intake manifold...not sure. I'm going to clean up the plugs tonight and try it again. I have a good feeling it'll run. If not then I'm going to have the car AAA over to the local shop and have them look at it.
I'll have a tech article up in a couple weeks with pictures and everything. It'll cover EVER system and every thing that needs to be unbolted. Oh yeah, and I installed a strut tower brace on my friends maxima...that took all of 5 minutes to do, lol. Good improvement!
Oh well, I guess that's it for now. There aren't going to be any more pictures because I have a huge clean up to do and need to pack up and get back to school. When I get back I'll take pictures of the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.

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Old Mar 28, 2001 | 04:12 PM
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AHHH like reading at good book,war and peace,the bible,oh ya putting a 350 in a 3rd gen .makes me warm all over

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Old Mar 28, 2001 | 07:59 PM
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Would you believe my plug wires were bad! I got 8mm now and the beast purrs at idle with a side dish of kick *** . I can't believe the difference, it's like day and night. All the arc from crap wires really makes things bad. Timing tape is still off so I'm at a guestimate still. It runs so it must not be too bad. I adjusted the fuel pressure and it's running a little better. I hope my fuel pump holds up. I'm leaving for school at 7am and hopefully it runs like it was tonight.

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